All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
I have a feeling we didn't see all the cameras angles that the TMO saw.
I have a feeling we saw a camera angle the TMO didn't look at. There was clearly no knock-on.
Fair enough.
I thought Reece had screwed up at first and wasn't surprised the TMO overruled it until they showed a different angle where he never lost control of the ball. Just another appalling decision by a person whose sole remit is to ensure the other members of the refereeing team don't commit a howler.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
I have a feeling we didn't see all the cameras angles that the TMO saw.
I have a feeling we saw a camera angle the TMO didn't look at. There was clearly no knock-on.
Fair enough.
I thought Reece had screwed up at first and wasn't surprised the TMO overruled it until they showed a different angle where he never lost control of the ball. Just another appalling decision by a person whose sole remit is to ensure the other members of the refereeing team don't commit a howler.
It never hit the ground or anyone else. Reece did a good job of recovering the ball. If they continue to screw up like this, a Captain's challenge system is called for
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That's a lame excuse.
The coaches aren't getting the best out of players. There are very few players where you can say 'that player is in their best form'. I don't agree with a number of selections but quite few players are not thriving in the environment.
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That's a lame excuse.
The coaches aren't getting the best out of players. There are very few players where you can say 'that player is in their best form'. I don't agree with a number of selections but quite few players are not thriving in the environment.
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
That's a lame excuse.
The coaches aren't getting the best out of players. There are very few players where you can say 'that player is in their best form'. I don't agree with a number of selections but quite few players are not thriving in the environment.
Which players are in worse form than when they played Super Rugby? Most seem to be on par or in better form now.
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Sevu Reece
Scott Barrett (when he played)
Aumua
Jordie to an extentA big problem is the guys who didn't even play.
And form players not picked
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
That's a lame excuse.
The coaches aren't getting the best out of players. There are very few players where you can say 'that player is in their best form'. I don't agree with a number of selections but quite few players are not thriving in the environment.
Which players are in worse form than when they played Super Rugby? Most seem to be on par or in better form now.
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@Mr-Fish Scott Barrett, Ardie Savea (I know he was in Japan rather than Super Rugby), Damien McKenzie and Aumua have all been very poor this year.
Jordie Barrett and Beauden Barrett have been very inconsistent.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Mr-Fish Scott Barrett, Ardie Savea (I know he was in Japan rather than Super Rugby), Damien McKenzie and Aumua have all been very poor this year.
Jordie Barrett and Beauden Barrett have been very inconsistent.
Right, so only a few guys - whereas most guys have maintained their form or improved. So it's not a bad overall outcome, pretty standard that some guys won't lift their games.
Aumua is suffering from not getting starts, but Taylor has been so good that it'd be tough to drop him to the bench just to get Aumua firing (although I still think it would be the right decision).
I don't think McKenzie has been poor at all, personally.
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Only just watched it after working all night so tired and grumpy. Haven’t read all of the thread. So was the final score actually confirmed or has the TMO called it back and changed it today? That was a bullshit call before halftime of game changing proportions.
All of my negativity aside wrt to rugby laws / tmo interference / officiating in general, the ABs have a major problem with on field leadership. They also need something else happening with “ mental skills” off field. Missing Enoka maybe but it is all wrong up top with that team.
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Only just watched it after working all night so tired and grumpy. Haven’t read all of the thread. So was the final score actually confirmed or has the TMO called it back and changed it today? That was a bullshit call before halftime of game changing proportions.
All of my negativity aside wrt to rugby laws / tmo interference / officiating in general, the ABs have a major problem with on field leadership. They also need something else happening with “ mental skills” off field. Missing Enoka maybe but it is all wrong up top with that team.
This x 100!
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Only just watched it after working all night so tired and grumpy. Haven’t read all of the thread. So was the final score actually confirmed or has the TMO called it back and changed it today? That was a bullshit call before halftime of game changing proportions.
All of my negativity aside wrt to rugby laws / tmo interference / officiating in general, the ABs have a major problem with on field leadership. They also need something else happening with “ mental skills” off field. Missing Enoka maybe but it is all wrong up top with that team.
This x 100!
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Only just watched it after working all night so tired and grumpy. Haven’t read all of the thread. So was the final score actually confirmed or has the TMO called it back and changed it today? That was a bullshit call before halftime of game changing proportions.
All of my negativity aside wrt to rugby laws / tmo interference / officiating in general, the ABs have a major problem with on field leadership. They also need something else happening with “ mental skills” off field. Missing Enoka maybe but it is all wrong up top with that team.
This x 100!
Sititi, Vaai or Roigard captain when he comes back.
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@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Only just watched it after working all night so tired and grumpy. Haven’t read all of the thread. So was the final score actually confirmed or has the TMO called it back and changed it today? That was a bullshit call before halftime of game changing proportions.
All of my negativity aside wrt to rugby laws / tmo interference / officiating in general, the ABs have a major problem with on field leadership. They also need something else happening with “ mental skills” off field. Missing Enoka maybe but it is all wrong up top with that team.
This x 100!
Sititi, Vaai or Roigard captain when he comes back.
Currently it's not working.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Only just watched it after working all night so tired and grumpy. Haven’t read all of the thread. So was the final score actually confirmed or has the TMO called it back and changed it today? That was a bullshit call before halftime of game changing proportions.
All of my negativity aside wrt to rugby laws / tmo interference / officiating in general, the ABs have a major problem with on field leadership. They also need something else happening with “ mental skills” off field. Missing Enoka maybe but it is all wrong up top with that team.
This x 100!
Sititi, Vaai or Roigard captain when he comes back.
Currently it's not working.I wouldn't be so hasty. Even McCaw took a while to get going. Razor can start by taking out some of the poorer performers, who also happen to be part of the leadership group
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I know. But it's a bit passive at the moment.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
I have a feeling we didn't see all the cameras angles that the TMO saw.
I have a feeling we saw a camera angle the TMO didn't look at. There was clearly no knock-on.
Fair enough.
I thought Reece had screwed up at first and wasn't surprised the TMO overruled it until they showed a different angle where he never lost control of the ball. Just another appalling decision by a person whose sole remit is to ensure the other members of the refereeing team don't commit a howler.
It never hit the ground or anyone else. Reece did a good job of recovering the ball. If they continue to screw up like this, a Captain's challenge system is called for
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
I have a feeling we didn't see all the cameras angles that the TMO saw.
I have a feeling we saw a camera angle the TMO didn't look at. There was clearly no knock-on.
Fair enough.
I thought Reece had screwed up at first and wasn't surprised the TMO overruled it until they showed a different angle where he never lost control of the ball. Just another appalling decision by a person whose sole remit is to ensure the other members of the refereeing team don't commit a howler.
It never hit the ground or anyone else. Reece did a good job of recovering the ball. If they continue to screw up like this, a Captain's challenge system is called for
LOL Captians Challenges will be checked by the TMO, What's the point?
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
@Machpants What has been apparent from his first press conference and is confirmed every week is that he's basically really fucking thick and talks in gormless psychobabble.
I'm pretty sure he thinks he's a fucking genius coaching savant though.
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@Machpants What has been apparent from his first press conference and is confirmed every week is that he's basically really fucking thick and talks in gormless psychobabble.
I'm pretty sure he thinks he's a fucking genius coaching savant though.
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@Machpants What has been apparent from his first press conference and is confirmed every week is that he's basically really fucking thick and talks in gormless psychobabble.
I'm pretty sure he thinks he's a fucking genius coaching savant though.
@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants What has been apparent from his first press conference and is confirmed every week is that he's basically really fucking thick and talks in gormless psychobabble.
I'm pretty sure he thinks he's a fucking genius coaching savant though.
I don't watch press conferences anymore, they are all just PR words. Boring as fuck. So I will take your word for it.
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How much has anyone here seen of Terheege as a ref? I don’t recall seeing him do much in the past and was wondering what his history is like? Anyone that makes a decision as bad as that knock on, with multiple replays, has to have his decision making called into question (if not his integrity!). On field mistakes can be forgiven, to some extent, but a TMO really should to get it right.
A quick google came up with this incident and comment:
“ I liked the way the ref was confident enough to push back on the TMO when he clearly felt the TMO was just trying to justify its own position.”
The ref was old mate Barnes refusing to accept another bullshit call from Teheege in Scot v Ire match where his interference was not only unwanted, but wrong.You have to wonder what happens after something like that, if anything? Does it even get reviewed? Why do disillusioned fans not get some sort of reassurance that mistakes get looked at (addressed to prevent future occurrences), and not ignored? It just makes me not want to bother watching anymore.
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@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Only just watched it after working all night so tired and grumpy. Haven’t read all of the thread. So was the final score actually confirmed or has the TMO called it back and changed it today? That was a bullshit call before halftime of game changing proportions.
All of my negativity aside wrt to rugby laws / tmo interference / officiating in general, the ABs have a major problem with on field leadership. They also need something else happening with “ mental skills” off field. Missing Enoka maybe but it is all wrong up top with that team.
This x 100!
Sititi, Vaai or Roigard captain when he comes back.
Currently it's not working.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Only just watched it after working all night so tired and grumpy. Haven’t read all of the thread. So was the final score actually confirmed or has the TMO called it back and changed it today? That was a bullshit call before halftime of game changing proportions.
All of my negativity aside wrt to rugby laws / tmo interference / officiating in general, the ABs have a major problem with on field leadership. They also need something else happening with “ mental skills” off field. Missing Enoka maybe but it is all wrong up top with that team.
This x 100!
Sititi, Vaai or Roigard captain when he comes back.
Currently it's not working.You’re joking right?
Right???
Sititi in his debut year finding his feet at a breand new position
Vaa’i maturing into an excellent lock finally, but goes about his business in a very stoic and quiet way
And Roigard will be back from a serious injury, and is already anointed the saviour of the team as a player, so fuck it, let’s give him the arm band too! -
How much has anyone here seen of Terheege as a ref? I don’t recall seeing him do much in the past and was wondering what his history is like? Anyone that makes a decision as bad as that knock on, with multiple replays, has to have his decision making called into question (if not his integrity!). On field mistakes can be forgiven, to some extent, but a TMO really should to get it right.
A quick google came up with this incident and comment:
“ I liked the way the ref was confident enough to push back on the TMO when he clearly felt the TMO was just trying to justify its own position.”
The ref was old mate Barnes refusing to accept another bullshit call from Teheege in Scot v Ire match where his interference was not only unwanted, but wrong.You have to wonder what happens after something like that, if anything? Does it even get reviewed? Why do disillusioned fans not get some sort of reassurance that mistakes get looked at (addressed to prevent future occurrences), and not ignored? It just makes me not want to bother watching anymore.
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
How much has anyone here seen of Terheege as a ref? I don’t recall seeing him do much in the past and was wondering what his history is like? Anyone that makes a decision as bad as that knock on, with multiple replays, has to have his decision making called into question (if not his integrity!). On field mistakes can be forgiven, to some extent, but a TMO really should to get it right.
A quick google came up with this incident and comment:
“ I liked the way the ref was confident enough to push back on the TMO when he clearly felt the TMO was just trying to justify its own position.”
The ref was old mate Barnes refusing to accept another bullshit call from Teheege in Scot v Ire match where his interference was not only unwanted, but wrong.You have to wonder what happens after something like that, if anything? Does it even get reviewed? Why do disillusioned fans not get some sort of reassurance that mistakes get looked at (addressed to prevent future occurrences), and not ignored? It just makes me not want to bother watching anymore.
We're talking about his bloke, yeah?
https://twitter.com/bencoles_/status/1771661605509513700
If rugby wants to pretend it's a professional enterprise, referees need to be held accountable, and publicly so the rest of us have confidence they aren't corrupt.
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
How much has anyone here seen of Terheege as a ref? I don’t recall seeing him do much in the past and was wondering what his history is like? Anyone that makes a decision as bad as that knock on, with multiple replays, has to have his decision making called into question (if not his integrity!). On field mistakes can be forgiven, to some extent, but a TMO really should to get it right.
A quick google came up with this incident and comment:
“ I liked the way the ref was confident enough to push back on the TMO when he clearly felt the TMO was just trying to justify its own position.”
The ref was old mate Barnes refusing to accept another bullshit call from Teheege in Scot v Ire match where his interference was not only unwanted, but wrong.You have to wonder what happens after something like that, if anything? Does it even get reviewed? Why do disillusioned fans not get some sort of reassurance that mistakes get looked at (addressed to prevent future occurrences), and not ignored? It just makes me not want to bother watching anymore.
We're talking about his bloke, yeah?
https://twitter.com/bencoles_/status/1771661605509513700
If rugby wants to pretend it's a professional enterprise, referees need to be held accountable, and publicly so the rest of us have confidence they aren't corrupt.
@antipodean That's exactly why I asked the question. He does have some history of poor decision making (we'll call it that...), 2 incidents already plus the one on the weekend.
At first glance it seems that he is the wrong personality type to be doing the job in the first place. Pushing your own agenda, inability to admit when you are wrong, fear of "losing face". Not desirable qualities in a position of authority to get correct outcomes (or a person in general really).
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Do refs get training in this stuff? Simulated scenarios? Teamwork? Decision making? Stress management? @Damo?
I was going to do some reffing in HKG and all they wanted was my knowledge of the laws, but obviously that was just a start. What happens as they progress to the big gigs?
Obviously, no one dies like they do if I fuck up professionally, but we get training to help us get it right. Do rugby officials? I'm not just talking about "meetings" either.
