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All Blacks vs Wallabies 2

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  • NTAN Offline
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    #1164

    Staying positive: there are basics we're executing well, and better than the last few years for sure. Ruck, contact, scrum, lineout (mostly).

    A couple of defensive lapses were the issue, much like the first 20 last week

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    • J Jet

      Beauden Barrett was NEVER a flyhalf.

      His pace was so freakish that Wellington and the Allblacks just shrugged their shoulders and went with it.

      He cannot control a game to save his life.

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      @Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

      Beauden Barrett was NEVER a flyhalf.

      His pace was so freakish that Wellington and the Allblacks just shrugged their shoulders and went with it.

      He cannot control a game to save his life.

      Hansen’s decision to bin off Cruden and pick BB as his 10 cost him a Lions series and a World Cup.

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        I still think if the Bledisloe is two matches, then it should be points (4 or 5 with BP etc) then for and against etc. Would not have helped the wallabies tonight but would at least mean the second game is live.

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        • G Gunner

          Not perfect, but a good win.

          Sam Cane, well deserved he’s always put his body on the line for the cause.

          The good:
          Tight 5, including off the bench.
          Sititi, what a monster.
          Caleb Clarke and Will Jordan.
          ALB not a highlight reel performance but did the little things very well.

          Razor has been slow and steady with bringing the new guys in, the ones who have been given the chance have stood up, so it’s time to back them, hand them the reigns, and don’t stop there, bring a few other fresh faces in too.

          TJ has been a good All Black, but it’s time to move on.

          I’m now in the keep Jordan at fullback camp.
          If they must have BB in the team, it has to be on the bench.

          I’d really like to see Plummer given a decent shot.

          Right wing is wide open, Reece and Telea have both been ok but haven’t set the world on fire.

          Loosies have been talked about to death. For me, Jacobson and Blackadder are placeholders and squad cover at best, time for one of them to make way for a big ball player.

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          @Gunner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

          Right wing is wide open, Reece and Telea have both been ok but haven’t set the world on fire.

          Reiko to the right until and only when he learns to pass properly.
          How the fuck has he not learned this skill???????????????

          Proctor at 13, ALB at 12 (or Jordie)

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          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

            @MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            @Gunner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            @Gunner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            Loosies have been talked about to death. For me, Jacobson and Blackadder are placeholders and squad cover at best, time for one of them to make way for a big ball player.

            They're really competing against each other IMO, for what it is worth I think LJ covers more positions to an ok level. But neither are gamebreakers.

            My thoughts exactly, it’s gotta be one or the other, not both

            I was thinking LJ is a lot like Cane, just quicker. Hope he has better hands.

            A bit of ball carrying oomph wouldn’t go amiss either.

            It irks me when guys 1.88-1.9m and about 110kg have as much impact as a fly on a windscreen.

            We need a loosie version of Tosi from the bench. Comfortable with ball running and a presence at the breakdown

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            @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            @MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            @Gunner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            @Gunner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

            Loosies have been talked about to death. For me, Jacobson and Blackadder are placeholders and squad cover at best, time for one of them to make way for a big ball player.

            They're really competing against each other IMO, for what it is worth I think LJ covers more positions to an ok level. But neither are gamebreakers.

            My thoughts exactly, it’s gotta be one or the other, not both

            I was thinking LJ is a lot like Cane, just quicker. Hope he has better hands.

            A bit of ball carrying oomph wouldn’t go amiss either.

            It irks me when guys 1.88-1.9m and about 110kg have as much impact as a fly on a windscreen.

            We need a loosie version of Tosi from the bench. Comfortable with ball running and a presence at the breakdown

            Numia

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              #1169

              The ABs won, and probably would have won without those couple of lapses by the Wallabies, however I think this AB team is papering over cracks, and running out of glue.

              1. Your scrum got slapped around by a guy on one leg. I think perhaps you're missing a big grunter with technical nous in your second row.

              2. I thought - besides Sititi's tearing runs - your backrow got outplayed. Savea did a couple of nice things but you surely can't keep Cane on.

              3. Your defensive lineout is good. Attacking lineout generally OK but if the 10th ranked team is picking you off, the top 6N sides are going to be licking their lips.

              4. This helter-skelter bullshit in general play isn't going to cut it against top opponents with patience and cohesion. There aren't many guys in the starting 8 who are rolling up their sleeves and smashing blokes TBH. I don't think the ABs were dominant in contact as many times as the scoreline might otherwise suggest.

              I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.

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              • NTAN NTA

                73:55 Savea picks it up while diving straight off his feet. Interesting ruck interpretation

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                @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                73:55 Savea picks it up while diving straight off his feet. Interesting ruck interpretation

                Ref made an error?

                No shit?

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                • M Machpants

                  @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                  @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                  @Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                  @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                  Tosi is a monster, fuck he's good

                  Sititi, Tosi, Hotham, Darry, Ratima, Proctor didn’t fluff their lines when given their chances.

                  And our experienced guys stank the place up.

                  Savea and SB and Taylor (good all year) were ok tonight.

                  Savea was very average. But I was more talking about TJ, cane, and BB.

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                  @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                  @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                  @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                  @Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                  @Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                  Tosi is a monster, fuck he's good

                  Sititi, Tosi, Hotham, Darry, Ratima, Proctor didn’t fluff their lines when given their chances.

                  And our experienced guys stank the place up.

                  Savea and SB and Taylor (good all year) were ok tonight.

                  Savea was very average. But I was more talking about TJ, cane, and BB.

                  WTF! Go back and watch the game again. He was immense in defense. Really came back to form this game I thought.

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                  • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                    @Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                    Sititi to 8, Lakai to 7, and we find a 6

                    Leave Sititi at 6, Lakai to 7 and Sotutu to 8. That trio would fuck shit up.

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                    @Canes4life Sititi will be the AB number 8 for a long time, Blackadder the 6 and Savea the 7.

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                    • StagS Stag

                      @Canes4life Sititi will be the AB number 8 for a long time, Blackadder the 6 and Savea the 7.

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                      @Stag said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                      Sititi will be the AB number 8 for a long time, Blackadder the 6 and Savea the 7.

                      Well done, mate, you got one out of three correct.

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                        #1174

                        Clark outstanding in attack, defense, and positional play.. 100% better than his former self.
                        Jordan really is exceptional. You just take for granted that the Aussies kicking out of hand never hit the grass.
                        Pat. T, Aumua, and Tosi brought sting to the defense in the final 20. That is a big lump of flesh to bring on. Pat. T's leadership was noticeable. Did someone convince him he was playing for the Blues?
                        F&#K off naysayers! I'm happy tonight.

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                          #1175

                          Shittings! Forgot about Williams!. Pat.T, Williams, Aumua, and Tosi off the bench have so much potential!

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                          • NTAN Offline
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                            #1176

                            Also: well done to Sam Cane. Not many blokes take a broken neck as anything other than a sign to retire.

                            Racking up the ton is to be praised.

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                              Very soft sentimental selections today.
                              Also bring back rucking

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                              • StagS Stag

                                @Canes4life Sititi will be the AB number 8 for a long time, Blackadder the 6 and Savea the 7.

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                                @Stag said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                @Canes4life Sititi will be the AB number 8 for a long time, Blackadder the 6 and Savea the 7.

                                Great call.

                                The legend certainly grew tonight that’s for sure, what with him not playing despite being 100% fit.

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                                • J Jet

                                  TV camera cuts to the Wellington fans with a sign saying "Beaudy is a 10 for us".

                                  Jeff Wilson chimes in "he has had a great first half".

                                  That's where NZ Rugby is at.

                                  Pats on the back regardless of standards and silver centurion caps for all as long as your knees hold up.

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                                  @Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                  Jeff Wilson chimes in "he has had a great first half".

                                  He's a cheerleader and bootlicker at best. Such an inane Rugby pundit. Honestly, I don't know why Sky NZ subscribers ain't in open revolt about how poor and brainless their coverage of Rugby has become.

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                                  • NTAN NTA

                                    The ABs won, and probably would have won without those couple of lapses by the Wallabies, however I think this AB team is papering over cracks, and running out of glue.

                                    1. Your scrum got slapped around by a guy on one leg. I think perhaps you're missing a big grunter with technical nous in your second row.

                                    2. I thought - besides Sititi's tearing runs - your backrow got outplayed. Savea did a couple of nice things but you surely can't keep Cane on.

                                    3. Your defensive lineout is good. Attacking lineout generally OK but if the 10th ranked team is picking you off, the top 6N sides are going to be licking their lips.

                                    4. This helter-skelter bullshit in general play isn't going to cut it against top opponents with patience and cohesion. There aren't many guys in the starting 8 who are rolling up their sleeves and smashing blokes TBH. I don't think the ABs were dominant in contact as many times as the scoreline might otherwise suggest.

                                    I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.

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                                    Jet
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                                    #1180

                                    @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                    The ABs won, and probably would have won without those couple of lapses by the Wallabies, however I think this AB team is papering over cracks, and running out of glue.

                                    1. Your scrum got slapped around by a guy on one leg. I think perhaps you're missing a big grunter with technical nous in your second row.

                                    2. I thought - besides Sititi's tearing runs - your backrow got outplayed. Savea did a couple of nice things but you surely can't keep Cane on.

                                    3. Your defensive lineout is good. Attacking lineout generally OK but if the 10th ranked team is picking you off, the top 6N sides are going to be licking their lips.

                                    4. This helter-skelter bullshit in general play isn't going to cut it against top opponents with patience and cohesion. There aren't many guys in the starting 8 who are rolling up their sleeves and smashing blokes TBH. I don't think the ABs were dominant in contact as many times as the scoreline might otherwise suggest.

                                    I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.

                                    Agree with all of this.

                                    I am really concerned about the EOYT particularly with your 4th point in mind.

                                    Think about those final 38 or so phases against Ireland in the RWC that ended the game.

                                    This iteration of the Allblacks concedes a try or gets a bloke carded after 4 or 5 of those phases.

                                    We are all fur coat and no knickers.

                                    We dont have bread and butter players like Kaino, or Nonu who we can just drop it off to, to make a guaranteed 4 yards and then recycle and go again. And even if we did have those players we dont have a pragmatist in the ten shirt who wont just kick it away at the first sight of pressure.

                                    Similarly we dont have Kainos or Brad Thorns or Mealamus who dont take a backward step in defence.

                                    Ardie for example seems to always want a judo match on D.

                                    Remember when Read used to just bend at the hips and empty people in the midriff. Ardie wants to have a cuddle and a wrestle. For all his leg drive exploits too, I yearn for a Harry Wilson or Vermuelen type who winds up for a big carry and just plays with a bit of spite.

                                    We lack starch on both sides of the ball, and that gets you nowhere against England Ireland and France away from home.

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                                    • NTAN NTA

                                      The ABs won, and probably would have won without those couple of lapses by the Wallabies, however I think this AB team is papering over cracks, and running out of glue.

                                      1. Your scrum got slapped around by a guy on one leg. I think perhaps you're missing a big grunter with technical nous in your second row.

                                      2. I thought - besides Sititi's tearing runs - your backrow got outplayed. Savea did a couple of nice things but you surely can't keep Cane on.

                                      3. Your defensive lineout is good. Attacking lineout generally OK but if the 10th ranked team is picking you off, the top 6N sides are going to be licking their lips.

                                      4. This helter-skelter bullshit in general play isn't going to cut it against top opponents with patience and cohesion. There aren't many guys in the starting 8 who are rolling up their sleeves and smashing blokes TBH. I don't think the ABs were dominant in contact as many times as the scoreline might otherwise suggest.

                                      I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.

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                                      @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                      I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.

                                      1000% this.

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                                      • sparkyS sparky

                                        @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                        I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.

                                        1000% this.

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                                        @sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                        @NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                        I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.

                                        1000% this.

                                        And yet..... when he does this with certain players he is accused of provincial bias.......

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                                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                          @hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          ALB is a better 12 than Jordie and it's not close

                                          I dunno. We missed the boot at many times today. Not ALB's fault Dmac and BB are below standard in that department, but still.

                                          Lol what boot?

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                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:

                                          ALB is a better 12 than Jordie and it's not close

                                          I dunno. We missed the boot at many times today. Not ALB's fault Dmac and BB are below standard in that department, but still.

                                          Lol what boot?

                                          Jordie's? But he doesn't use it that much at 12...

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