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  • B BorderJB

    @Machpants from what I hear we are sticking to the fast game plan, Razor reckons he can execute it by the 27 RWC.
    The players from Fosters team are getting the first shot and then others will be brought in when they don't cut it.

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    @BorderJB said in All Blacks EOYT:

    @Machpants from what I hear we are sticking to the fast game plan, Razor reckons he can execute it by the 27 RWC.
    The players from Fosters team are getting the first shot and then others will be brought in when they don't cut it.

    Sounds like he rates Foster then. Which seems very bizarre considering.

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    • gt12G gt12

      @junior said in All Blacks EOYT:

      @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

      @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

      @No-Quarter
      Fair points.
      It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
      "he didn’t even get close"
      (chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

      I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

      And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

      I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.

      Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?

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      @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

      @junior said in All Blacks EOYT:

      @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

      @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

      @No-Quarter
      Fair points.
      It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
      "he didn’t even get close"
      (chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

      I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

      And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

      I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.

      Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?

      Anyone know Kieran Read’s bronco times?

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        @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @junior said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @No-Quarter
        Fair points.
        It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
        "he didn’t even get close"
        (chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

        I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

        And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

        I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.

        Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?

        Anyone know Kieran Read’s bronco times?

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        @pakman said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @junior said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

        @No-Quarter
        Fair points.
        It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
        "he didn’t even get close"
        (chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

        I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

        And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

        I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.

        Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?
        Anyone know Kieran Read’s bronco times?

        Read was quite poor by that metric I seem to recall. Made up for by McCaw being superb. Balance in the trio is key.

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        • R reprobate

          @pakman said in All Blacks EOYT:

          @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

          @junior said in All Blacks EOYT:

          @gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:

          @Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:

          @No-Quarter
          Fair points.
          It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
          "he didn’t even get close"
          (chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)

          I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.

          And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).

          I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.

          Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?
          Anyone know Kieran Read’s bronco times?

          Read was quite poor by that metric I seem to recall. Made up for by McCaw being superb. Balance in the trio is key.

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          @reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:

          Balance in the trio is key.

          I agree completely. Which is why playing multiple 7s makes me shake my head

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          • nzzpN nzzp

            @reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:

            Balance in the trio is key.

            I agree completely. Which is why playing multiple 7s makes me shake my head

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            @nzzp 6 + 8 + 7 = 21
            3 x 7 = 21
            Same same...however, 6.5 x 3....

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            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

              @nzzp 6 + 8 + 7 = 21
              3 x 7 = 21
              Same same...however, 6.5 x 3....

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              @taniwharugby said in All Blacks EOYT:

              @nzzp 6 + 8 + 7 = 21
              3 x 7 = 21
              Same same...however, 6.5 x 3....

              Are you suggesting that one openside flanker is worth more than a whole front row combined??

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              • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                @nzzp 6 + 8 + 7 = 21
                3 x 7 = 21
                Same same...however, 6.5 x 3....

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                @taniwharugby said in All Blacks EOYT:

                @nzzp 6 + 8 + 7 = 21
                3 x 7 = 21
                Same same...however, 6.5 x 3....

                Isn't Finau a 5.5?!

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                  #768

                  Jerry Collins: (8 + 6 ) / 2 = 7
                  McCaw: 7
                  Rodders: (7 + 8 ) / 2 = 7.5

                  No wonder they were so good = 21.5

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                    What if Oli Mathis makes the AB's?
                    (14+7) / 2 = 10.5
                    He would be the ultimate loose forward?

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                      i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                      (7+20)/2 = 13.5

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                      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                        i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                        (7+20)/2 = 13.5

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                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                        i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                        (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                        We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

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                        • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                          i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                          (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                          We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

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                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                          i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                          (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                          We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

                          your Ardie to 12 campaign says otherwise!!

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                          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                            @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                            (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                            We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

                            your Ardie to 12 campaign says otherwise!!

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                            @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                            i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                            (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                            We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

                            your Ardie to 12 campaign says otherwise!!

                            Faaark bro stop living in the past, Ardie's an 8.

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                            • BonesB Bones

                              @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              If Sititi plays a blinder against Japan I'd throw caution to the wind and swap Savea to 6 v England.
                              Sititi - Roigard/Ratima- DMac is quite a handful for any team to deal with.

                              Yeah I don't see him being markedly better than Savea and certainly wouldn't be comfortable it being based off turning up against Japan. If so, why not promote all the players that perform against Japan?

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                              @Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              @BerniesCorner said in All Blacks EOYT:

                              If Sititi plays a blinder against Japan I'd throw caution to the wind and swap Savea to 6 v England.
                              Sititi - Roigard/Ratima- DMac is quite a handful for any team to deal with.

                              Yeah I don't see him being markedly better than Savea and certainly wouldn't be comfortable it being based off turning up against Japan. If so, why not promote all the players that perform against Japan?

                              It would have been smarter to trial players in the second Wobs test...

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                              • D Darren

                                What if Oli Mathis makes the AB's?
                                (14+7) / 2 = 10.5
                                He would be the ultimate loose forward?

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                                @Darren said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                What if Oli Mathis makes the AB's?
                                (14+7) / 2 = 10.5
                                He would be the ultimate loose forward?

                                this one? Looks useful

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                                • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                  (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                  We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

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                                  @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                  i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                  (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                  We only do fullbacks to centre

                                  Rangi says hi from 10, Jordie waves to you from the wing...

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                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                    (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                    We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

                                    your Ardie to 12 campaign says otherwise!!

                                    Faaark bro stop living in the past, Ardie's an 8.

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                                    @reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                    i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                    (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                    We only do fullbacks to centre, not opensides to centre….

                                    your Ardie to 12 campaign says otherwise!!

                                    Faaark bro stop living in the past, Ardie's an 8.

                                    He;s an 8,7, 6, 12 --try adding that to your loose trio calculations!

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                                    • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                      @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                      (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                      We only do fullbacks to centre

                                      Rangi says hi from 10, Jordie waves to you from the wing...

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                                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                      i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                      (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                      We only do fullbacks to centre

                                      Rangi says hi from 10, Jordie waves to you from the wing...

                                      Jordie is a natural centre in my view. What could’ve been….

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                                      • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                        @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                        (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                        We only do fullbacks to centre

                                        Rangi says hi from 10, Jordie waves to you from the wing...

                                        Jordie is a natural centre in my view. What could’ve been….

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                                        @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                        Jordie is a natural centre in my view. What could’ve been….

                                        with just a little more speed, he might well have been.

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                                        • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                          @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                          (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                          We only do fullbacks to centre

                                          Rangi says hi from 10, Jordie waves to you from the wing...

                                          Jordie is a natural centre in my view. What could’ve been….

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                                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          @nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:

                                          i think the Blues guys are right, Dalton Papali'i is the guy we need
                                          (7+20)/2 = 13.5

                                          We only do fullbacks to centre

                                          Rangi says hi from 10, Jordie waves to you from the wing...

                                          Jordie is a natural centre in my view. What could’ve been….

                                          I'm still saddened we didn't see more of Goodhue. His game against SA was just sensational in Wellington - his defence was incredible.

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