All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham
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That was the stupidest All Black performance I've ever seen. It reminded me of the Ron Cribb team.
Look, I'll take the win & on balance I think we deserved it. We cut them open so many times but then stupid decisions, being one of giving away a penalty, passing un necessarily or just stone cold dropping the ball cost us so many times. I was furious at Gardner as I thought he was pandering to the crowd, but in truth, we were our own worst enemy here. Has any team in the history of rugby ever given away 4 penalties for off the ball tackles? Just chatting to my neighbour who went with Adidas and sat with a lot of ex AB's, they were all wondering why we kept doing it and said that we got away with a few. Insane that we could get away with a few when being pinged 4 times. It was just idiot decision after idiot decision, culminating with Ratima passing to Marcus Smith. If it wasn't for George Ford, we would have lost that game.
England had some jolly good players out there on show. None more so than Feyi-Waboso who looked truly electric ball in hand. Marcus Smith, terrible drop goals aside, played very well and I thought the support play of their back row was handy too. Cunningham South was fun to watch, although the NFL antics are not for me. Their starting props also had the measure of us too, I thought. Pleasantly surprised to see that the Walrus hasn't lost his touch calling is pet, Itoje, other worldly post match. He didn't play bad, but many were better. Itoje's biggest moment was screaming like a 3 year old girl at the ref for a supposed high shot. Enjoyed Gardner telling him where to go.
As for us, well, where to start. Telea's best in a while back to his eel slippery best, and 2 superb tries, one rather Jonah esque. Sititi is a real find, like a REAL find, potential AB superstar here. Aumua made a couple of noticeable errors (not the only one though) with the lineouts, but around the field was superb. Patty T an absolutely inspired sub with some wrecking ball runs. His position at test level has been found & hopefully he will be subbed on against worn down defence again. Shocking drop at the end, but dropsies was an AB problem today. Additionally, I thought Savea played well, which seem to not be the consensus. Cane a bit anonymous, but did make a couple of big plays at crucial times. On the flip side, I thought our backline was pretty fucked, on the whole. They looked like a bunch of blokes standing around, not a backline. Cannot remember one crisp structured passing play & the ball often went to somebody standing still. I'm not sold on our centres at all, although ALB (two YC in one play, go son) didn't cover himself in glory. Jordy runs like a prop and I think Ioane needs space. Back 3 looked pretty good when they got the ball, but given what it had to get through for them to get it, that was a bloody miracle.
I take heart in that there really is real talent in this team. It's just a matter of harnessing it, and then controlling it. Thats supposed to be the coaches job, and Scotty, I'm just not seeing it. You've got a busy week ahead of you.
Roll on next week, we needed a tight win to launch into Ireland and we got it. Can we build off this? I hope so, but on the evidence witnessed, it's going to take a large step up in rugby intellect.
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Really??
https://x.com/stephenjones9/status/1852791505108513057
Only time I remember seeing him was when he was literally bawling to the ref. Plenty of outstanding England players today. Maro not even in my top 5.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Really??
https://x.com/stephenjones9/status/1852791505108513057
Only time I remember seeing him was when he was literally bawling to the ref. Plenty of outstanding England players today. Maro not even in my top 5.
Who tweeted that?
Might be a clue into why the opinion doesn't fit the facts.
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@BerniesCorner It was noticeable how much George was communicating clearly with Gardner, developing good rapport. S Barrett very few times, just seems absent, probably needing to concentrate on his own game as he has been a little flat recently.
@DMack said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@BerniesCorner It was noticeable how much George was communicating clearly with Gardner, developing good rapport. S Barrett very few times, just seems absent, probably needing to concentrate on his own game as he has been a little flat recently.
Scooter was quiet tonight generally.
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Really??
https://x.com/stephenjones9/status/1852791505108513057
Only time I remember seeing him was when he was literally bawling to the ref. Plenty of outstanding England players today. Maro not even in my top 5.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Really??
https://x.com/stephenjones9/status/1852791505108513057
Only time I remember seeing him was when he was literally bawling to the ref. Plenty of outstanding England players today. Maro not even in my top 5.
With the ref mic really obvious on the stream England were continually in his ear. We were silent. Which shows a lack of brains on our part - refs are now used to stuff taht would have been 10m and/or penalized a decade ago - we need to get with the gamemanship, not be all holier than thou bullshit.
Same could be said for forwards based rugby, but it is not our DNA
It bloody well used to be, like versus the Lions BitD, so it could be again - we used to be scarey up front and the refs were scared of us -
England were so military medium it wasn’t funny; they barely threatened the NZ line; were outscored 3 tries to 1; and yet despite being bloody rubbish were cms away from winning that one
Be happy with the win
But don’t be happy with that performance
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
England were so military medium it wasn’t funny; they barely threatened the NZ line; were outscored 3 tries to 1; and yet despite being bloody rubbish were cms away from winning that one
Be happy with the win
But don’t be happy with that performance
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That was the stupidest All Black performance I've ever seen. It reminded me of the Ron Cribb team.
Look, I'll take the win & on balance I think we deserved it. We cut them open so many times but then stupid decisions, being one of giving away a penalty, passing un necessarily or just stone cold dropping the ball cost us so many times. I was furious at Gardner as I thought he was pandering to the crowd, but in truth, we were our own worst enemy here. Has any team in the history of rugby ever given away 4 penalties for off the ball tackles? Just chatting to my neighbour who went with Adidas and sat with a lot of ex AB's, they were all wondering why we kept doing it and said that we got away with a few. Insane that we could get away with a few when being pinged 4 times. It was just idiot decision after idiot decision, culminating with Ratima passing to Marcus Smith. If it wasn't for George Ford, we would have lost that game.
England had some jolly good players out there on show. None more so than Feyi-Waboso who looked truly electric ball in hand. Marcus Smith, terrible drop goals aside, played very well and I thought the support play of their back row was handy too. Cunningham South was fun to watch, although the NFL antics are not for me. Their starting props also had the measure of us too, I thought. Pleasantly surprised to see that the Walrus hasn't lost his touch calling is pet, Itoje, other worldly post match. He didn't play bad, but many were better. Itoje's biggest moment was screaming like a 3 year old girl at the ref for a supposed high shot. Enjoyed Gardner telling him where to go.
As for us, well, where to start. Telea's best in a while back to his eel slippery best, and 2 superb tries, one rather Jonah esque. Sititi is a real find, like a REAL find, potential AB superstar here. Aumua made a couple of noticeable errors (not the only one though) with the lineouts, but around the field was superb. Patty T an absolutely inspired sub with some wrecking ball runs. His position at test level has been found & hopefully he will be subbed on against worn down defence again. Shocking drop at the end, but dropsies was an AB problem today. Additionally, I thought Savea played well, which seem to not be the consensus. Cane a bit anonymous, but did make a couple of big plays at crucial times. On the flip side, I thought our backline was pretty fucked, on the whole. They looked like a bunch of blokes standing around, not a backline. Cannot remember one crisp structured passing play & the ball often went to somebody standing still. I'm not sold on our centres at all, although ALB (two YC in one play, go son) didn't cover himself in glory. Jordy runs like a prop and I think Ioane needs space. Back 3 looked pretty good when they got the ball, but given what it had to get through for them to get it, that was a bloody miracle.
I take heart in that there really is real talent in this team. It's just a matter of harnessing it, and then controlling it. Thats supposed to be the coaches job, and Scotty, I'm just not seeing it. You've got a busy week ahead of you.
Roll on next week, we needed a tight win to launch into Ireland and we got it. Can we build off this? I hope so, but on the evidence witnessed, it's going to take a large step up in rugby intellect.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
That was the stupidest All Black performance I've ever seen
You didn't watch the Japan game then
Cannot remember one crisp structured passing play & the ball often went to somebody standing still.
We had a great move with deception and passing to someone at speed from set play, and that resulted in Jordan scoring. Why not more if this rather than playing flat but with no speed, we just get eaten up byt rush defence. The taiking the ball standing still grips my shit everyime it happens. So it has been a long time since I've enjoyed an AB game, cos it has been going of for years and is so fkn dumb
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England were so military medium it wasn’t funny; they barely threatened the NZ line; were outscored 3 tries to 1; and yet despite being bloody rubbish were cms away from winning that one
Be happy with the win
But don’t be happy with that performance
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
England were so military medium it wasn’t funny; they barely threatened the NZ line; were outscored 3 tries to 1; and yet despite being bloody rubbish were cms away from winning that one
Be happy with the win
But don’t be happy with that performance
That’s a pretty accurate assessment,
Now my gut tells me Ireland may be too accurate and clinical for us , unless we have another gear to go to.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Really??
https://x.com/stephenjones9/status/1852791505108513057
Only time I remember seeing him was when he was literally bawling to the ref. Plenty of outstanding England players today. Maro not even in my top 5.
Who tweeted that?
Might be a clue into why the opinion doesn't fit the facts.
@booboo said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Really??
https://x.com/stephenjones9/status/1852791505108513057
Only time I remember seeing him was when he was literally bawling to the ref. Plenty of outstanding England players today. Maro not even in my top 5.
Who tweeted that?
Might be a clue into why the opinion doesn't fit the facts.
@MajorRage I see you covered that in your longer post. #booboo
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Really??
https://x.com/stephenjones9/status/1852791505108513057
Only time I remember seeing him was when he was literally bawling to the ref. Plenty of outstanding England players today. Maro not even in my top 5.
With the ref mic really obvious on the stream England were continually in his ear. We were silent. Which shows a lack of brains on our part - refs are now used to stuff taht would have been 10m and/or penalized a decade ago - we need to get with the gamemanship, not be all holier than thou bullshit.
Same could be said for forwards based rugby, but it is not our DNA
It bloody well used to be, like versus the Lions BitD, so it could be again - we used to be scarey up front and the refs were scared of us@Machpants said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
refs are now used to stuff taht would have been 10m and/or penalized
a decade agoa month or so ago in South Africa...
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@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
How the fuck did England lose that?
A poor selection of the bench, backed up by poor use of said poor bench. This loss is on the coaches.
The game was a hard watch I have to say. Though I liked the way Gardner interacted with the players and overall was ok. Thought the double yellow that wasn’t was all a bit confusing. So the initial yellow was rescinded because that piece of play wouldn’t have happened if the first one had been given in real time? Well ok, sort of but the to allow the PK to be taken at either place just seems contradictory..
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Watching second half again.
Reserve props smashed English scrum which gave us heaps of momentum. Forward play in general seemed stronger.
Roigard made a big difference. Very quick decision making and he actually moves with the ball off the back of the ruck while making decisions making play more dynamic while Ratima is a touch slower and holds at base of ruck a lot more letting defence set themselves.
Even though BB didn’t have a great game and his kicking is painful, I think Ratima put him under pressure a few times with this slower play.
DM to start for me and BB in last 30 like 2nd Eng test. -
BB plays with Christie and has also played with TJP so should be used to slower ball.
Has anyone noticed our captain pulling the team together and pushing them over the line this season?
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Ratima for me was suprisingly poor.
B B was BB shit.
Scott Barrett actually did a ton work a lot of tackles and grunt work.
Vaai looked out muscled today.
Patty T was awesome of the bench, Telea much better from him today and Sititi is a brilliant selection by Razor he was Hugh again.
BB,Cane time to move on from these two.
For all you D Mac fan boys brilliant pressure conversion from the sideline.
A win at Twickers is a win only penalties and the intercept from Ratima kept England in the game.
This tight win away may grow this team with some changes.
A lot of people were saying we will not win any of the main 3 games, well we have won one. -
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
10 is now our only real worry
And complacency.
True
@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
10 is now our only real worry
And complacency.
True
and discipline. And tactics. And bench timing. And loosies. And midfield.
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@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
England to win by 6+
I should wait until I read the whole thread yet but I'm expecting you to be happy unless you are an English fan.
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I'm sorry but that was an awful game by the officials. Gus basically coached them through rucks, tackles etc. He was so inconsitant it was beyond farcicle. HOWEVER, we still need to recognise we aren't getting the rub of the green and plan accordingly.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I'm sorry but that was an awful game by the officials. Gus basically coached them through rucks, tackles etc. He was so inconsitant it was beyond farcicle.
farce-icicle? A chilly farcical kick to the spine?
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Wallace Sititi was my player of the day, fuck he’s awesome. Mark Telea had some beautiful touches as well and how about that try.
Beauden isn’t the answer at 10, kick…kick…kick. Jesus Christ, we looked more like England than England at times. Where’s the innovation?
Fair play to Aumua as well, his line out throwing was pretty solid for the most part and played a full 77 mins.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Wallace Sititi was my player of the day, fuck he’s awesome. Mark Telea had some beautiful touches as well and how about that try.
Beauden isn’t the answer at 10, kick…kick…kick. Jesus Christ, we looked more like England than England at times. Where’s the innovation?
Ouch. Second most painful comment in this thread.
