All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham

booboo

@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

So a guess at the team:

1 De Groot
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 S. Barrett (c)
5. Vaii
6. Sititi
7. God knows. Cane?
8. Savea
9. Ratima
10. Beauden Barrett
11. Caleb Clarke
12. Jordie Barrett
13. Reiko Ioane
14 Mark Telea
15. Will Jordan

No bench?

booboo

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

13 Proctor
14 Ioane

Played his way out yesterday

Bovidae

Right wing is still an issue. Telea is continually exposed on defence, and I can see England isolating him again.

kiwiinmelb

@booboo said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

13 Proctor
14 Ioane

Played his way out yesterday

I do like a lot of what he brings to the table with his running lines and distribution, Unfortunately for him that miss looked Pretty bad

African Monkey

@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Right wing is still an issue. Telea is continually exposed on defence, and I can see England isolating him again.

Yeah I'm usually Telea's number 1 fan but he's almost become 2024's version of Nehe Milner Skudder overnight. He looks slower and isn't having the same impact in close quarters like he was last season.

I feel like this could be his last campaign with the ABs.

brodean

@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Right wing is still an issue. Telea is continually exposed on defence, and I can see England isolating him again.

Yeah I'm usually Telea's number 1 fan but he's almost become 2024's version of Nehe Milner Skudder overnight. He looks slower and isn't having the same impact in close quarters like he was last season.

I feel like this could be his last campaign with the ABs.

Tele'a ran 80 metres, scored a try, had two try assists, two line breaks, and 9 defenders beaten. You don't think that was an impact? What else were you expecting him to do? I think most test wingers would be stoked with those stats.

1kiwi

I'd be giving Roigard another run at 9 to be honest with Ratima to come off the bench. Roigard needs the minutes.

African Monkey

@brodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Right wing is still an issue. Telea is continually exposed on defence, and I can see England isolating him again.

Yeah I'm usually Telea's number 1 fan but he's almost become 2024's version of Nehe Milner Skudder overnight. He looks slower and isn't having the same impact in close quarters like he was last season.

I feel like this could be his last campaign with the ABs.

Tele'a ran 80 metres, scored a try, had two try assists, two line breaks, and 9 defenders beaten. You don't think that was an impact? What else were you expecting him to do? I think most test wingers would be stoked with those stats.

Most players did out there, I think @KiwiMurph pointed out and rightly too, that if Caleb Clarke had the space out there that Tele'a and Reece had, I dread to think how badly things would have turned out for Japan. This Japanese side couldn't tackle. He got gassed out there on defence on a few occasions too.

As I said, I'm a huge Tele'a fan and he's done some great things for the Blues and ABs, but right now, I can't make a case for him. I hope he finds his best again.

brodean

@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@brodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@African-Monkey said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Right wing is still an issue. Telea is continually exposed on defence, and I can see England isolating him again.

Yeah I'm usually Telea's number 1 fan but he's almost become 2024's version of Nehe Milner Skudder overnight. He looks slower and isn't having the same impact in close quarters like he was last season.

I feel like this could be his last campaign with the ABs.

Tele'a ran 80 metres, scored a try, had two try assists, two line breaks, and 9 defenders beaten. You don't think that was an impact? What else were you expecting him to do? I think most test wingers would be stoked with those stats.

Most players did out there, I think @KiwiMurph pointed out and rightly too, that if Caleb Clarke had the space out there that Tele'a and Reece had, I dread to think how badly things would have turned out for Japan. This Japanese side couldn't tackle. He got gassed out there on defence on a few occasions too.

As I said, I'm a huge Tele'a fan and he's done some great things for the Blues and ABs, but right now, I can't make a case for him. I hope he finds his best again.

I'm not expecting Tele'a to fix his defense. His defensive issues haven't changed for years.

Look Caleb Clarke is clearly the best winger we have based on his form and speed this year. His speed improved but I don't expect to see Reece or Tele'a ever getting that kind of speed in their game.

There aren't too many lightening quick wingers floating around NZ at the moment.

brodean

@1kiwi

Based on what I saw I'd have Roigard on the bench with Ratima starting. Roigard isn't back to his best form yet and there were some defensive issues around the ruck.

nostrildamus

@brodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@1kiwi

Based on what I saw I'd have Roigard on the bench with Ratima starting. Roigard isn't back to his best form yet and there were some defensive issues around the ruck.

It's a good problem to have!

sparky

@booboo I wasn't going to think about the bench until the injury situation became a bit clearer and we knew who was travelling to Europe.

But I guess the bench Vs England will be something like this:

Aumua, Williams, Tosi, Tuipolutu, Finau, Roigard, DMac, ALB.

sparky

Ollie Chesham is a doubt for England:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c20nnw2xdqzo

mariner4life

I honestly don't believe the best use of Finau is off the bench.

Catogrande

@sparky

He’s a loss for us. We only have three good locks, him Itoje and Martin, any others are a real step down. Plus he offers good cover at 6, which gives us more flexibility on the bench. We’re struggling at prop too, with Borthwick seemingly reluctant to give many youngsters a go. Cole and Marler don’t have too many miles left in them.