All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
But I guess the bench Vs England will be something like this:
Aumua, Williams, Tosi, Tuipolutu, Finau, Roigard, DMac, ALB.
I think your team and bench will be pretty close.
I'm inclined to think they might have pulled Reece early vs Japan because they plan to play him vs England.
Pretty certain the starting loose forwards will be Sititi, Cane and Savea - in fact, I'll be amazed if they're not. Other question marks....
Finau or Lakai?
Tosi or Newell?
Roigard or Perenara?Lakai, though i would really worry about our physicality in the tackle when Cane gets subbed
Tosi, Newell doesn't offer much
God i hope it's Roigard even if he wasn't exactly amazing on Saturday.@mariner4life Lakai offers a bit more cover - especially if the plan is to sub Cane.
But I'm inclined to think it will be Finau, with a plan to sub Sititi (or just maybe Ardie).
Wouldn't bet big money either way.
Yeah - I'd like to see them go with Roigard, but again I wouldn't bet big money on it.
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Someone was leaving big holes around the ruck vs Japan. Was it the pattern, was it Cane, or someone else?
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Someone was leaving big holes around the ruck vs Japan. Was it the pattern, was it Cane, or someone else?
Cane?
It was weird watching our D fall apart systematically a couple of times, and a heap in teh first 10-15. The first try was Aumua leaving pillar way too early and getting smoked on the inside ball (something that happens to us a bit).
I have no idea how the 2nd one happened, we had no numbers on the short side at all, that gap between Cane and Darry was criminal, but then Japan had more numbers wide, 3 different players could have scored there.
I watched the replay of the 3rd try over and over and still can't work out what the fuck went wrong.
Throw in DMac needing to make two try savers on our line and that score could have looked a lot worse.
It seems to me like there are real communication problems out there.
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I worry about Tosi and Williams being on the field together for an extended period. Neither look fit enough which is a real tradeoff when you're as big as they are.
Newell looks like a substandard Franks.
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@mariner4life Lakai offers a bit more cover - especially if the plan is to sub Cane.
But I'm inclined to think it will be Finau, with a plan to sub Sititi (or just maybe Ardie).
Wouldn't bet big money either way.
Yeah - I'd like to see them go with Roigard, but again I wouldn't bet big money on it.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@mariner4life Lakai offers a bit more cover - especially if the plan is to sub Cane.
But I'm inclined to think it will be Finau, with a plan to sub Sititi (or just maybe Ardie).
Wouldn't bet big money either way.
Precedent says there's no subbing Ardie. If the eye test matches their data, it would make much more sense to sub Cane than Sititi.
I wouldn't mind either Finau or Lakai, but it should be for Cane with Sititi going to 7 if Finau comes on. -
@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@mariner4life Lakai offers a bit more cover - especially if the plan is to sub Cane.
But I'm inclined to think it will be Finau, with a plan to sub Sititi (or just maybe Ardie).
Wouldn't bet big money either way.
Precedent says there's no subbing Ardie. If the eye test matches their data, it would make much more sense to sub Cane than Sititi.
I wouldn't mind either Finau or Lakai, but it should be for Cane with Sititi going to 7 if Finau comes on.@reprobate said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@mariner4life Lakai offers a bit more cover - especially if the plan is to sub Cane.
But I'm inclined to think it will be Finau, with a plan to sub Sititi (or just maybe Ardie).
Wouldn't bet big money either way.
Precedent says there's no subbing Ardie. If the eye test matches their data, it would make much more sense to sub Cane than Sititi.
I wouldn't mind either Finau or Lakai, but it should be for Cane with Sititi going to 7 if Finau comes on.If there are no concerns from the weekend and every one trains as expected, I would give Finau another tilt at England.
He got two starts against them earlier in the year and while he didn’t set the world alight, there were signs of what he could offer.
Savea is now rested and so my hope he will be refreshed and ready for a big month. With Papali’i out, Cane gets a start at openside. Finau returns to blindside and Savea will be vice-captain at the back of the pack.
There is a possibility of a 6/2 bench.
6- Finau
7- Cane
8- SaveaBench: Sititi
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@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
But I guess the bench Vs England will be something like this:
Aumua, Williams, Tosi, Tuipolutu, Finau, Roigard, DMac, ALB.
I think your team and bench will be pretty close.
I'm inclined to think they might have pulled Reece early vs Japan because they plan to play him vs England.
Pretty certain the starting loose forwards will be Sititi, Cane and Savea - in fact, I'll be amazed if they're not. Other question marks....
Finau or Lakai?
Tosi or Newell?
Roigard or Perenara?@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
But I guess the bench Vs England will be something like this:
Aumua, Williams, Tosi, Tuipolutu, Finau, Roigard, DMac, ALB.
I think your team and bench will be pretty close.
I'm inclined to think they might have pulled Reece early vs Japan because they plan to play him vs England.
Pretty certain the starting loose forwards will be Sititi, Cane and Savea - in fact, I'll be amazed if they're not. Other question marks....
Finau or Lakai?
Tosi or Newell?
Roigard or Perenara?Finau, Tosi and Roigard for me. Lakai is pretty much the apprentice on this tour so don’t think he’ll see any more minutes unless there are further injuries.
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I'd go with the 6/2 split so we could have a front row, lock, Sititi and Lakai on the bench.
The other two spots go to ALB and Roigard (but will be TJ). That covers every backline position given how easily we can move our fullback to 10, wing to fullback, centre to wing, ALB to either centre position and a reserve scrumhalf.
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Sititi our best loose forward this season
Fern: « Bench him »
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Sititi our best loose forward this season
Fern: « Bench him »
@Billy-Tell don't confuse what people want to happen with what they think will happen.
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Sititi our best loose forward this season
Fern: « Bench him »
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Sititi our best loose forward this season
Fern: « Bench him »
We need more size against England and I think the loose trio balance of the first two tests against England was about right.
Given Papali’i is out there is a call to be made between Cane or Sititi I reckon.
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@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Jet Yeah, some genius decided the All Blacks must have a "League-style 10" and made that the great shibboleth of New Zealand Rugby, when a 10, who can catch, pass, kick, tackle and above all make the correct decisions under pressure, is what we really need.
As I've said before, it's the hangover from the Dan Carter era. Too much focus on the spectacular part of his game and not enough on the fact that DC did all the fundamentals of 10 play exceptionally well
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Jet Yeah, some genius decided the All Blacks must have a "League-style 10" and made that the great shibboleth of New Zealand Rugby, when a 10, who can catch, pass, kick, tackle and above all make the correct decisions under pressure, is what we really need.
As I've said before, it's the hangover from the Dan Carter era. Too much focus on the spectacular part of his game and not enough on the fact that DC did all the fundamentals of 10 play exceptionally well
Nah, it was BB that fucked us. We had Carter and Cruden, two guys who could move a team around the field (obviously they both had individual flair as well), then we went all in on BB (dumping Cruden in the process) based solely on his individual flair and running game.
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@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Jet Yeah, some genius decided the All Blacks must have a "League-style 10" and made that the great shibboleth of New Zealand Rugby, when a 10, who can catch, pass, kick, tackle and above all make the correct decisions under pressure, is what we really need.
As I've said before, it's the hangover from the Dan Carter era. Too much focus on the spectacular part of his game and not enough on the fact that DC did all the fundamentals of 10 play exceptionally well
Nah, it was BB that fucked us. We had Carter and Cruden, two guys who could move a team around the field (obviously they both had individual flair as well), then we went all in on BB (dumping Cruden in the process) based solely on his individual flair and running game.
@Nepia said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Jet Yeah, some genius decided the All Blacks must have a "League-style 10" and made that the great shibboleth of New Zealand Rugby, when a 10, who can catch, pass, kick, tackle and above all make the correct decisions under pressure, is what we really need.
As I've said before, it's the hangover from the Dan Carter era. Too much focus on the spectacular part of his game and not enough on the fact that DC did all the fundamentals of 10 play exceptionally well
Nah, it was BB that fucked us. We had Carter and Cruden, two guys who could move a team around the field (obviously they both had individual flair as well), then we went all in on BB (dumping Cruden in the process) based solely on his individual flair and running game.
BB could never be considered a game manager, I'll give you that
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I worry about Tosi and Williams being on the field together for an extended period. Neither look fit enough which is a real tradeoff when you're as big as they are.
Newell looks like a substandard Franks.
@antipodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I worry about Tosi and Williams being on the field together for an extended period. Neither look fit enough which is a real tradeoff when you're as big as they are.
Newell looks like a substandard Franks.
Agree. Tosi and Williams were good during the first half but disappeared during the first minutes of the second spell. I don't know whether it is a matter of fitness or not. Maybe the humid and hot weather did not help.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I worry about Tosi and Williams being on the field together for an extended period. Neither look fit enough which is a real tradeoff when you're as big as they are.
Newell looks like a substandard Franks.
Agree. Tosi and Williams were good during the first half but disappeared during the first minutes of the second spell. I don't know whether it is a matter of fitness or not. Maybe the humid and hot weather did not help.
@cgrant said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@antipodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I worry about Tosi and Williams being on the field together for an extended period. Neither look fit enough which is a real tradeoff when you're as big as they are.
Newell looks like a substandard Franks.
Agree. Tosi and Williams were good during the first half but disappeared during the first minutes of the second spell. I don't know whether it is a matter of fitness or not. Maybe the humid and hot weather did not help.
For some reason they just couldn't dominate the scrums, I though they would monster the Japs, but not even close.
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Partly sunny 15C
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@cgrant said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@antipodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I worry about Tosi and Williams being on the field together for an extended period. Neither look fit enough which is a real tradeoff when you're as big as they are.
Newell looks like a substandard Franks.
Agree. Tosi and Williams were good during the first half but disappeared during the first minutes of the second spell. I don't know whether it is a matter of fitness or not. Maybe the humid and hot weather did not help.
For some reason they just couldn't dominate the scrums, I though they would monster the Japs, but not even close.
@Darren said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@cgrant said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@antipodean said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I worry about Tosi and Williams being on the field together for an extended period. Neither look fit enough which is a real tradeoff when you're as big as they are.
Newell looks like a substandard Franks.
Agree. Tosi and Williams were good during the first half but disappeared during the first minutes of the second spell. I don't know whether it is a matter of fitness or not. Maybe the humid and hot weather did not help.
For some reason they just couldn't dominate the scrums, I though they would monster the Japs, but not even close.
Owen Franks?
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shovels and shuffles at half speed all day. never puts players into gaps. can't skip pass. eventually tries stupid chip kick or cross kick. hopefully at some point spies a prop to run around.
@reprobate said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
shovels and shuffles at half speed all day. never puts players into gaps. can't skip pass. eventually tries stupid chip kick or cross kick. hopefully at some point spies a prop to run around.
I think part of the reason he pump fakes to pass so often now is to actually figure out what he himself wants to do.
Beaudy without his miracle wheels is a shadow of the player he was.
A bit like later day Cristiano Ronaldo......he hasnt got the top two inches once the physical abilities have abandoned him. The ball doesnt "luckily" bounce into his bread basket any more.
Messi (Dan Carter) on the other hand can play the game at walking pace and still influence the outcome.
