All Blacks 2025
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Any update on BB's injury?
Fracture so could be gone for about 6-8 weeks.
This is a bit of an evil thought, but I hope the AB selectors are forced to look at other 10 candidates and that his hand takes ages to heal.
That's how Wallace got his start, JB at 12 too. Fozz and Razor both seem too dependent on their favourites
To be fair, in JB's case he had excelled at 15 in the previous season and it's understandable for Robertson to stick with known players in his first season/few games.
That said, if I see Havili in the 23, I'll happily join the favourites bandwagon.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
Any update on BB's injury?
Fracture so could be gone for about 6-8 weeks.
This is a bit of an evil thought, but I hope the AB selectors are forced to look at other 10 candidates and that his hand takes ages to heal.
That's how Wallace got his start, JB at 12 too. Fozz and Razor both seem too dependent on their favourites
To be fair, in JB's case he had excelled at 15 in the previous season and it's understandable for Robertson to stick with known players in his first season/few games.
That said, if I see Havili in the 23, I'll happily join the favourites bandwagon.
Funny what makes some people happy nowadays.
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@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
I'd argue NZR should have told him to stop wanking on about Mo'unga and do what he'd been paid to do, though.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
I'd argue NZR should have told him to stop wanking on about Mo'unga and do what he'd been paid to do, though.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
I'd argue NZR should have told him to stop wanking on about Mo'unga and do what he'd been paid to do, though.
Robinson doesn't look like a "just shut the fuck up and so your job" kind of guy
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
I'd argue NZR should have told him to stop wanking on about Mo'unga and do what he'd been paid to do, though.
Robinson doesn't look like a "just shut the fuck up and so your job" kind of guy
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
I'd argue NZR should have told him to stop wanking on about Mo'unga and do what he'd been paid to do, though.
Robinson doesn't look like a "just shut the fuck up and so your job" kind of guy
Either that or he was still trying to work thru the PowerPoint pack....
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
I'd argue NZR should have told him to stop wanking on about Mo'unga and do what he'd been paid to do, though.
Robinson doesn't look like a "just shut the fuck up and so your job" kind of guy
Either that or he was still trying to work thru the PowerPoint pack....
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
I'd argue NZR should have told him to stop wanking on about Mo'unga and do what he'd been paid to do, though.
Robinson doesn't look like a "just shut the fuck up and so your job" kind of guy
Either that or he was still trying to work thru the PowerPoint pack....
Making Steve Tew look awesome
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
I'd argue NZR should have told him to stop wanking on about Mo'unga and do what he'd been paid to do, though.
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@Victor-Meldrew Could not agree more with this statement.
It has been bloody embarrassing listening to an AB coach pining for a player who knew when he left NZ for Japan that Razor would be the coach.
Just do your job Razor.@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Could not agree more with this statement.
It has been bloody embarrassing listening to an AB coach pining for a player who knew when he left NZ for Japan that Razor would be the coach.
Just do your job Razor.Maybe he left after a discussion or three with Razor though...
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
I'd argue NZR should have told him to stop wanking on about Mo'unga and do what he'd been paid to do, though.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
I'd argue NZR should have told him to stop wanking on about Mo'unga and do what he'd been paid to do, though.
They indulged him by entering in negotiations to bring him back, leaked the news to the press, which upset the club and player thst it was leaked.
Not a great negotiation tactic
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
I'd argue NZR should have told him to stop wanking on about Mo'unga and do what he'd been paid to do, though.
They indulged him by entering in negotiations to bring him back, leaked the news to the press, which upset the club and player thst it was leaked.
Not a great negotiation tactic
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think the cupboard is as bare as it was in 2011.
Yeah, but if DMac or BB go down who - with even minimal Test experience - steps in?
NZR and Robertson need a kick up the arse for not developing players like Plummer but instead arguing about Mo'unga's eligibility.
Hardly NZR fault for categorically saying 'he's not eligible and is not going to change' at every opportunity. That's all on razor
I'd argue NZR should have told him to stop wanking on about Mo'unga and do what he'd been paid to do, though.
They indulged him by entering in negotiations to bring him back, leaked the news to the press, which upset the club and player thst it was leaked.
Not a great negotiation tactic
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I don't know where else to put this, but NZR has decided on a national high-performance pathway for U18s. This will align neatly with what Oz is already doing and may just help the U20s in future.
Note this doesn't replace the New Zealand Secondary Schools Rugby Union (NZSSRU) side.
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No idea where to put this but it sounds like we should've stuck with Fozzie & Co.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/1ja7q43/will_jordan_on_the_ireland_quarterfinal/
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No idea where to put this but it sounds like we should've stuck with Fozzie & Co.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/1ja7q43/will_jordan_on_the_ireland_quarterfinal/
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
No idea where to put this but it sounds like we should've stuck with Fozzie & Co.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/1ja7q43/will_jordan_on_the_ireland_quarterfinal/
Few AB teams were as up for a game as that quarter-final and Foster deserves credit for that as does Schmidt for tactical nous. Jordan kinda backs up the stuff people like Mo'unga have said about Foster.
We needed to move on but not getting Schmidt on board for Robertson's first year was a huge fuck-up. Just look at how our forwards have benefitted from Ryan's continuity in the coaching set-up.
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
No idea where to put this but it sounds like we should've stuck with Fozzie & Co.
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/1ja7q43/will_jordan_on_the_ireland_quarterfinal/
Few AB teams were as up for a game as that quarter-final and Foster deserves credit for that as does Schmidt for tactical nous. Jordan kinda backs up the stuff people like Mo'unga have said about Foster.
We needed to move on but not getting Schmidt on board for Robertson's first year was a huge fuck-up. Just look at how our forwards have benefitted from Ryan's continuity in the coaching set-up.
@Victor-Meldrew I'm pretty certain it was Schmidt's decision not to continue after 2023.
i reckon the (Foster, Schmidt, McLeod, Ryan, Feek, Strawbridge) coaching group of mid 2022-2023 was stronger than Razor's. It's a real shame we didn't stick with them.
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@Victor-Meldrew I'm pretty certain it was Schmidt's decision not to continue after 2023.
i reckon the (Foster, Schmidt, McLeod, Ryan, Feek, Strawbridge) coaching group of mid 2022-2023 was stronger than Razor's. It's a real shame we didn't stick with them.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2025:
i reckon the (Foster, Schmidt, McLeod, Ryan, Feek, Strawbridge) coaching group of mid 2022-2023 was stronger than Razor's. It's a real shame we didn't stick with them.
Need to give the current lot some more time, I think. Reserving my judgement until this year's AI's...
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There’s a thin line (aka Jordie Barrett try saver while holding the ball up) between a terrible coach and a great coach apparently. Ignoring the fact we were comprehensively beaten by France in the opening round and the fact that we showed absolutely no update in gameplay against South Africa. It was headless chickens on the field. The onfield leadership and adaptability of Fosters team was awful. Playing against a team like Ireland that is incredibly structured was a gift wrapped present to paper over the cracks.
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There’s a thin line (aka Jordie Barrett try saver while holding the ball up) between a terrible coach and a great coach apparently. Ignoring the fact we were comprehensively beaten by France in the opening round and the fact that we showed absolutely no update in gameplay against South Africa. It was headless chickens on the field. The onfield leadership and adaptability of Fosters team was awful. Playing against a team like Ireland that is incredibly structured was a gift wrapped present to paper over the cracks.
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2025:
There’s a thin line (aka Jordie Barrett try saver while holding the ball up) between a terrible coach and a great coach apparently. Ignoring the fact we were comprehensively beaten by France in the opening round and the fact that we showed absolutely no update in gameplay against South Africa. It was headless chickens on the field. The onfield leadership and adaptability of Fosters team was awful. Playing against a team like Ireland that is incredibly structured was a gift wrapped present to paper over the cracks.
And bugger-all's changed under the bloke touted as the new Messiah. If you look at the AB's abject performance in the RC, it actually got worse
One year on, we find ourselves with a still unsettled back row and a crazy situation at 10 with one decent 10 and another way past his sell by date. There's been zero development plans or back-up options at 10 - unless you consider a converted Crusaders average utility back as the answer. This because of Robertson's truly weird and bizarre obsession with Mo'unga. And we've lost key talent like Sotutu and Plummer to what looks increasingly like seriously inept player management.
But never mind. Let's ignore the lessons of what went right and why we managed to almost win RWC2023 with 14 men, and console ourselves with Foster this and Foster that, eh?
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@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2025:
There’s a thin line (aka Jordie Barrett try saver while holding the ball up) between a terrible coach and a great coach apparently. Ignoring the fact we were comprehensively beaten by France in the opening round and the fact that we showed absolutely no update in gameplay against South Africa. It was headless chickens on the field. The onfield leadership and adaptability of Fosters team was awful. Playing against a team like Ireland that is incredibly structured was a gift wrapped present to paper over the cracks.
And bugger-all's changed under the bloke touted as the new Messiah. If you look at the AB's abject performance in the RC, it actually got worse
One year on, we find ourselves with a still unsettled back row and a crazy situation at 10 with one decent 10 and another way past his sell by date. There's been zero development plans or back-up options at 10 - unless you consider a converted Crusaders average utility back as the answer. This because of Robertson's truly weird and bizarre obsession with Mo'unga. And we've lost key talent like Sotutu and Plummer to what looks increasingly like seriously inept player management.
But never mind. Let's ignore the lessons of what went right and why we managed to almost win RWC2023 with 14 men, and console ourselves with Foster this and Foster that, eh?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2025:
There’s a thin line (aka Jordie Barrett try saver while holding the ball up) between a terrible coach and a great coach apparently. Ignoring the fact we were comprehensively beaten by France in the opening round and the fact that we showed absolutely no update in gameplay against South Africa. It was headless chickens on the field. The onfield leadership and adaptability of Fosters team was awful. Playing against a team like Ireland that is incredibly structured was a gift wrapped present to paper over the cracks.
And bugger-all's changed under the bloke touted as the new Messiah. If you look at the AB's abject performance in the RC, it actually got worse
One year on, we find ourselves with a still unsettled back row and a crazy situation at 10 with one decent 10 and another way past his sell by date. There's been zero development plans or back-up options at 10 - unless you consider a converted Crusaders average utility back as the answer. This because of Robertson's truly weird and bizarre obsession with Mo'unga. And we've lost key talent like Sotutu and Plummer to what looks increasingly like seriously inept player management.
But never mind. Let's ignore the lessons of what went right and why we managed to almost win RWC2023 with 14 men, and console ourselves with Foster this and Foster that, eh?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2025:
There’s a thin line (aka Jordie Barrett try saver while holding the ball up) between a terrible coach and a great coach apparently. Ignoring the fact we were comprehensively beaten by France in the opening round and the fact that we showed absolutely no update in gameplay against South Africa. It was headless chickens on the field. The onfield leadership and adaptability of Fosters team was awful. Playing against a team like Ireland that is incredibly structured was a gift wrapped present to paper over the cracks.
And bugger-all's changed under the bloke touted as the new Messiah. If you look at the AB's abject performance in the RC, it actually got worse
One year on, we find ourselves with a still unsettled back row and a crazy situation at 10 with one decent 10 and another way past his sell by date. There's been zero development plans or back-up options at 10 - unless you consider a converted Crusaders average utility back as the answer. This because of Robertson's truly weird and bizarre obsession with Mo'unga. And we've lost key talent like Sotutu and Plummer to what looks increasingly like seriously inept player management.
But never mind. Let's ignore the lessons of what went right and why we managed to almost win RWC2023 with 14 men, and console ourselves with Foster this and Foster that, eh?
Key talents like Sotutu and Plummer? The key talents of the Blues one successful year after several seasons of being torn apart at the pointy end of the season by the Crusaders? Both players are one season wonders. Nothing suggests the ABs would improve with either of them in the team. Robertsons obsession with Mounga only seems silly after McKenzies performance against Ireland. He had every right to have next to no confidence in Barrett or McKenzie and the only logical solution was a player that is head and shoulders above both.
There are no solutions at 10 or back row. But blame the guy who had nothing to do with NZ rugby not the guy who’s been there for 12 years and has done nothing to foster player development or depth?
Foster was a disaster. There was no game plan or accuracy. You think Robertson was going to be able to turn a turd into gold in one season?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2025:
There’s a thin line (aka Jordie Barrett try saver while holding the ball up) between a terrible coach and a great coach apparently. Ignoring the fact we were comprehensively beaten by France in the opening round and the fact that we showed absolutely no update in gameplay against South Africa. It was headless chickens on the field. The onfield leadership and adaptability of Fosters team was awful. Playing against a team like Ireland that is incredibly structured was a gift wrapped present to paper over the cracks.
And bugger-all's changed under the bloke touted as the new Messiah. If you look at the AB's abject performance in the RC, it actually got worse
One year on, we find ourselves with a still unsettled back row and a crazy situation at 10 with one decent 10 and another way past his sell by date. There's been zero development plans or back-up options at 10 - unless you consider a converted Crusaders average utility back as the answer. This because of Robertson's truly weird and bizarre obsession with Mo'unga. And we've lost key talent like Sotutu and Plummer to what looks increasingly like seriously inept player management.
But never mind. Let's ignore the lessons of what went right and why we managed to almost win RWC2023 with 14 men, and console ourselves with Foster this and Foster that, eh?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2025:
There’s a thin line (aka Jordie Barrett try saver while holding the ball up) between a terrible coach and a great coach apparently. Ignoring the fact we were comprehensively beaten by France in the opening round and the fact that we showed absolutely no update in gameplay against South Africa. It was headless chickens on the field. The onfield leadership and adaptability of Fosters team was awful. Playing against a team like Ireland that is incredibly structured was a gift wrapped present to paper over the cracks.
And bugger-all's changed under the bloke touted as the new Messiah. If you look at the AB's abject performance in the RC, it actually got worse
One year on, we find ourselves with a still unsettled back row and a crazy situation at 10 with one decent 10 and another way past his sell by date. There's been zero development plans or back-up options at 10 - unless you consider a converted Crusaders average utility back as the answer. This because of Robertson's truly weird and bizarre obsession with Mo'unga. And we've lost key talent like Sotutu and Plummer to what looks increasingly like seriously inept player management.
But never mind. Let's ignore the lessons of what went right and why we managed to almost win RWC2023 with 14 men, and console ourselves with Foster this and Foster that, eh?
Key talents like Sotutu and Plummer? The key talents of the Blues one successful year after several seasons of being torn apart at the pointy end of the season by the Crusaders? Both players are one season wonders. Nothing suggests the ABs would improve with either of them in the team. Robertsons obsession with Mounga only seems silly after McKenzies performance against Ireland. He had every right to have next to no confidence in Barrett or McKenzie and the only logical solution was a player that is head and shoulders above both.
There are no solutions at 10 or back row. But blame the guy who had nothing to do with NZ rugby not the guy who’s been there for 12 years and has done nothing to foster player development or depth?
Foster was a disaster. There was no game plan or accuracy. You think Robertson was going to be able to turn a turd into gold in one season?
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2025:
Foster was a disaster. There was no game plan or accuracy. You think Robertson was going to be able to turn a turd into gold in one season?
I'm reall not interested in Foster in 2025 nor fixated by him as you seem to be - he left 2 seasons ago. I'm interested in how the current coaching set up is going to improve things moving forward and win stuff like the Rugby Championship. It isn't going to do that by Robertson wasting time banging his head against NZR's eligibility criteria.
And calling a team which lost to the RWC to Sth Africa by 1 point with 14 men "a turd", doesn't speak well of your rugby acumen and your respect of the players themselves.
