All Blacks 2025
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Journalist reckons it's taken Robertson a year to realise it's his head on the chopping block if he doesn't succeed? Seriously?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Journalist reckons it's taken Robertson a year to realise it's his head on the chopping block if he doesn't succeed? Seriously?
What a load of dribble by the so called Journalist.
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@WoodysRFC said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
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@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2
Then "thanks for your service". He's not the
and considering his form last year, we'd be better off without him.He's bloody good and worth a shit load to NZ rugby. I'm more than ok with loyal servants getting "extras" if it gets them sticking around for over a decade (especially if it gets them playing out their career in NZ).
Yeah agreed, no issue with sabbaticals personally.
I've no issue with the idea and using it for those that have provided great value and years long service. Not happy if it is used in conjunction with automatic AB selection though.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@WoodysRFC said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Presumably he was going for good if he didn’t get 2
Then "thanks for your service". He's not the
and considering his form last year, we'd be better off without him.He's bloody good and worth a shit load to NZ rugby. I'm more than ok with loyal servants getting "extras" if it gets them sticking around for over a decade (especially if it gets them playing out their career in NZ).
Yeah agreed, no issue with sabbaticals personally.
I've no issue with the idea and using it for those that have provided great value and years long service. Not happy if it is used in conjunction with automatic AB selection though.
Personally, I wonder if we should be a bit radical and look at a few sabbaticals for contracted players on the fringe on Test XXIII selection if the selectors think a spell overseas would round out/improve their game.
Costs would be kept low and players like Plummer wouldn't be lost.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Is there really no snow on Mt Taranaki at the moment?
Lol no, there is some on the top, well on this side ,so really the pic was taken a month or so ago when Toyota were announced as new sponsors I think. Was taking liberties mate.
isn't that a Defender?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Is there really no snow on Mt Taranaki at the moment?
Lol no, there is some on the top, well on this side ,so really the pic was taken a month or so ago when Toyota were announced as new sponsors I think. Was taking liberties mate.
isn't that a Defender?
Probably broken down.....
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@handa457 heard Tavatavanawai is in Tauranga and his numbers are out the gate
@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
@handa457 heard Tavatavanawai is in Tauranga and his numbers are out the gate
As in, waist measurement?
Couldn't let that one go.
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@handa457 heard Tavatavanawai is in Tauranga and his numbers are out the gate
@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
@handa457 heard Tavatavanawai is in Tauranga and his numbers are out the gate
What numbers???
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Looks like Beaudy is already at the old man's farm and ready for team naming on Monday. Guessing will see him watching Coastal's game on Saturday.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
Looks like Beaudy is already at the old man's farm and ready for team naming on Monday. Guessing will see him watching Coastal's game on Saturday.
I wish I could afford a house, or even afford the car.......well even afford that coat to be honest.
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@Kiwiwomble just heard that Lashes guy on SportNation, saying Hoskins turned down , camp, who knows
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Kiwiwomble just heard that Lashes guy on SportNation, saying Hoskins turned down , camp, who knows
pretty sure he said "he would probably turn them down" nothing official
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@Steven-Harris Hoskins turned down, camp and said no, really,
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@george33 Hoskins was in Tauranga at the camp. Flew down this morning, was back in Auckland by the afternoon.
It was a physical/medical check type of visit with the AB docs/trainers.
Make of that what you will@Nogusta pfft - I'm going with the outrage machine that suggested the Blues should be done with one of their best players.
In accordance with the Crusader media mafia.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
Looks like Beaudy is already at the old man's farm and ready for team naming on Monday. Guessing will see him watching Coastal's game on Saturday.
I wish I could afford a house, or even afford the car.......well even afford that coat to be honest.
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
Looks like Beaudy is already at the old man's farm and ready for team naming on Monday. Guessing will see him watching Coastal's game on Saturday.
I wish I could afford a house, or even afford the car.......well even afford that coat to be honest.
Well you certainly can't afford the player.
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@george33 Hoskins was in Tauranga at the camp. Flew down this morning, was back in Auckland by the afternoon.
It was a physical/medical check type of visit with the AB docs/trainers.
Make of that what you will@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 Hoskins was in Tauranga at the camp. Flew down this morning, was back in Auckland by the afternoon.
It was a physical/medical check type of visit with the AB docs/trainers.
Make of that what you willBloody hell, the rumour mill is churning all over the shop.
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@george33 Hoskins was in Tauranga at the camp. Flew down this morning, was back in Auckland by the afternoon.
It was a physical/medical check type of visit with the AB docs/trainers.
Make of that what you will@Nogusta said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 Hoskins was in Tauranga at the camp. Flew down this morning, was back in Auckland by the afternoon.
It was a physical/medical check type of visit with the AB docs/trainers.
Make of that what you willGood on you. Was it a one day thing or were guys meant to stick around?
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Our loosies issue is still the lack of a good big (mass and height) 6. We lack height and power in any of our loosies that play well enough to get picked. When we had both read and kaino we had height and enough mass/skill to do the tough stuff. For the last 3 seasons we had players playing well in a 6 role but either tall enough but not solid enough or a solid enforcer who wasnt tall enough.
I could be wrong as its just my perception.
Paps is the classic example. But heavy for a 7, too short for a 6 or 8. Great player for a role in the game for all sizes but ironically not quite the right size.
EB, broken a lot but brings a lot of energy. Too tall for 7, probably too light or is about more speed less power for 6 or 8. Offers things of real value to the collective group but not quite the right shape.
Hos, lots of talent and size. In the semi either was the focus of containment for the defence or just didnt have a great game in the game that mattered.
Jacobseon, great player at 6 and 8 but has the size of a 7. Not as good a 7 as he is 6 or 8. Great bench option for cover but impact.....not sure if hes the line busting 6/8 you might need in the last 20mins of a big international.
Finau. Really capable 6 with good size. Not quite there yet but could be another Kaino or just stays the same.
Satitti. Gives off the same mental aptitude and attitude of an early Mccaw. Next ABs captain if we can find a taller 6 or 8 to get the loosie balance better.
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This is what I don't get, Paps has size, and is bigger than LJ according to Blues website:
https://www.blues.rugby/dalton-papalii-player-profile (https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/dalton-papalii is the same)
Born 11/10/97
Height 193cm Weight 113kgLuke Jacobson https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/luke-jacobson (https://chiefs.co.nz/player/luke-jacobson/ 1kg lighter)
Born 20/04/1997
Height 191cm Weight 108kgPaps gives away no height but 4kgs to Valetini https://wallabies.rugby/players/rob-valentini/2064 who certainly has impact and power..
if you look at Bok loosies they have 2 big munters but plenty of smaller ones
https://www.sarugby.co.za/sa-teams-players/springboks/
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What those stats don’t show is how big Bobby V, Siya, LJ & DP play. With the right combo DPs pretty good just doesn’t feel as big or long as you’d expect.
Ahem.
@Smuts said in All Blacks 2025:
What those stats don’t show is how big Bobby V, Siya, LJ & DP play. With the right combo DPs pretty good just doesn’t feel as big or long as you’d expect.
Ahem.
yeah I agree. I'm a big fan of one of your smallest loosies, Kwagga Smith.
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This is what I don't get, Paps has size, and is bigger than LJ according to Blues website:
https://www.blues.rugby/dalton-papalii-player-profile (https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/dalton-papalii is the same)
Born 11/10/97
Height 193cm Weight 113kgLuke Jacobson https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/luke-jacobson (https://chiefs.co.nz/player/luke-jacobson/ 1kg lighter)
Born 20/04/1997
Height 191cm Weight 108kgPaps gives away no height but 4kgs to Valetini https://wallabies.rugby/players/rob-valentini/2064 who certainly has impact and power..
if you look at Bok loosies they have 2 big munters but plenty of smaller ones
https://www.sarugby.co.za/sa-teams-players/springboks/
[and I'm really surprised if Kolisi is 1.89m tall but he certainly isn't that heavy...]@nostrildamus from that link to the larger Springbok squad, over a third of their loose forwards are 6'4" or more in old money. Of their locks only one fails to be two metres tall.
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@nostrildamus from that link to the larger Springbok squad, over a third of their loose forwards are 6'4" or more in old money. Of their locks only one fails to be two metres tall.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus from that link to the larger Springbok squad, over a third of their loose forwards are 6'4" or more in old money. Of their locks only one fails to be two metres tall.
Yes but
- I wasn't talking about their locks. Who are monsters. And
- Their tall loosies are mostly not that heavy. Some of their loosies would be locks in any other side. Good for their lineout I guess.
Now if you want to make the argument that their tight forwards are so hefty they can get away with some lighter loosies I'm not going to disagree.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus from that link to the larger Springbok squad, over a third of their loose forwards are 6'4" or more in old money. Of their locks only one fails to be two metres tall.
Yes but
- I wasn't talking about their locks. Who are monsters. And
- Their tall loosies are mostly not that heavy. Some of their loosies would be locks in any other side. Good for their lineout I guess.
Now if you want to make the argument that their tight forwards are so hefty they can get away with some lighter loosies I'm not going to disagree.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus from that link to the larger Springbok squad, over a third of their loose forwards are 6'4" or more in old money. Of their locks only one fails to be two metres tall.
Yes but
- I wasn't talking about their locks. Who are monsters. And
- Their tall loosies are mostly not that heavy. Some of their loosies would be locks in any other side. Good for their lineout I guess.
Now if you want to make the argument that their tight forwards are so hefty they can get away with some lighter loosies I'm not going to disagree.
It's worse than that - they've got genuine height in their loosies which permits them to carry a small forward like Qwagga. It's much easier to carry comparable weight when you're taller which makes you leaner = less aerobic demand.
IMO NZR needs to be selecting some of our locks as loose forwards when it comes to representative duty.
