All Blacks 2025
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
where the fuck has this vast depth building narrative come from?
The same core guys play nearly every game, and for the most part, changes are injury forced. Chucking toekn minutes to guys or bringing them in because one of the core is hurt is not building depth its the reality of modern rugby.
This bloke is so sucked off its incredible
It's either forced by injury, playing for a rusty B team (usually) against lesser opposition, or a handful of minutes from the bench every now and then. Robertson hasn't actively tried to build depth at all. He's used the bench poorly and hasn't played promising players alongside the core group unless forced to. A lot of the time, he really just says whatever he thinks sounds good at the time, or tries to justify selections however he can.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
A lot of the time, he really just says whatever he thinks sounds good at the time, or tries to justify selections however he can.
Like when he said that he picked Vaa'i at 6 because "Test match rugby is a big mans game" but then doesn't apply that logic to the man packing down next to him
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
A lot of the time, he really just says whatever he thinks sounds good at the time, or tries to justify selections however he can.
Like when he said that he picked Vaa'i at 6 because "Test match rugby is a big mans game" but then doesn't apply that logic to the man packing down next to him
@Duluth for a bloke who's superpower was reputedly man management, I haven't been that impressed at this level.
Tests are a very different beast to Super campaigns. No doubt he's a good coach, but I don't think he's putting it out there at the moment. Both Foster and Penney look better in comparison to 12-18 months ago.
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Saw a post on Instagram yesterday from the mythofdmac account showcasing the depth across NZ at the moment. thought i'd chuck it up here for reference of what Razors trying to build.
- just so no one jumps down their back, the criteria was mentioned as adding in capped players before the uncapped. Instagram link for reference
@Fredsaua12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Saw a post on Instagram yesterday from the mythofdmac account showcasing the depth across NZ at the moment. thought i'd chuck it up here for reference of what Razors trying to build.
- just so no one jumps down their back, the criteria was mentioned as adding in capped players before the uncapped. Instagram link for reference
Lol nothing against you at all, but I wouldn't be using that idiot's data for anything. He's just a facebook ripoff of that other weirdo legend of marty banks page.
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@Fredsaua12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Saw a post on Instagram yesterday from the mythofdmac account showcasing the depth across NZ at the moment. thought i'd chuck it up here for reference of what Razors trying to build.
- just so no one jumps down their back, the criteria was mentioned as adding in capped players before the uncapped. Instagram link for reference
Lol nothing against you at all, but I wouldn't be using that idiot's data for anything. He's just a facebook ripoff of that other weirdo legend of marty banks page.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Fredsaua12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Saw a post on Instagram yesterday from the mythofdmac account showcasing the depth across NZ at the moment. thought i'd chuck it up here for reference of what Razors trying to build.
- just so no one jumps down their back, the criteria was mentioned as adding in capped players before the uncapped. Instagram link for reference
Lol nothing against you at all, but I wouldn't be using that idiot's data for anything. He's just a facebook ripoff of that other weirdo legend of marty banks page.
The other weirdo who runs TLOMB page has managed to leverage it into a successful professional career. Pretty sure he makes a bit of $$ from the page. Plus has picked up some decent roles as well. Is currently the social guy for the Wallabies.
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They’re both very odd.
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to build genuine depth we need to get a bit more collaboration from the top down to identify skill gaps and develop skills and players to fill these (hell, a coaching school just for exits from your 22 would help us no end, let alone a kicking school full stop)
We dont need to go back to what was all but 'one way same way' under Henry & Co when MIke Cron was out teaching everyone his ways across the country, but the intention was sound.
We need adaptability across the board, players who can adjust thier play and work under differing styles.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Fredsaua12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Saw a post on Instagram yesterday from the mythofdmac account showcasing the depth across NZ at the moment. thought i'd chuck it up here for reference of what Razors trying to build.
- just so no one jumps down their back, the criteria was mentioned as adding in capped players before the uncapped. Instagram link for reference
Lol nothing against you at all, but I wouldn't be using that idiot's data for anything. He's just a facebook ripoff of that other weirdo legend of marty banks page.
The other weirdo who runs TLOMB page has managed to leverage it into a successful professional career. Pretty sure he makes a bit of $$ from the page. Plus has picked up some decent roles as well. Is currently the social guy for the Wallabies.
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Fredsaua12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Saw a post on Instagram yesterday from the mythofdmac account showcasing the depth across NZ at the moment. thought i'd chuck it up here for reference of what Razors trying to build.
- just so no one jumps down their back, the criteria was mentioned as adding in capped players before the uncapped. Instagram link for reference
Lol nothing against you at all, but I wouldn't be using that idiot's data for anything. He's just a facebook ripoff of that other weirdo legend of marty banks page.
The other weirdo who runs TLOMB page has managed to leverage it into a successful professional career. Pretty sure he makes a bit of $$ from the page. Plus has picked up some decent roles as well. Is currently the social guy for the Wallabies.
id say we could do with more people like them, willing to stick their necks out to make rugby content, would be good. I think its where other sports a miles ahead in raising the profile
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Was Preston the nutcase who tried to lose the Super final in the last few minutes? Jeez, I hope he doesn't do that in a test!
It looks like a good squad—huge tight five and big 6s. I hope Parker kicks on. I would have Blackadder and Paps ahead of Du Plessis and Jacobson, but understand the Blackadder omission due to his injury history and age. Paps has a far more physical presence than DuPlessis, though, who seems to be less effective against bigger packs. -
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Fredsaua12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Saw a post on Instagram yesterday from the mythofdmac account showcasing the depth across NZ at the moment. thought i'd chuck it up here for reference of what Razors trying to build.
- just so no one jumps down their back, the criteria was mentioned as adding in capped players before the uncapped. Instagram link for reference
Lol nothing against you at all, but I wouldn't be using that idiot's data for anything. He's just a facebook ripoff of that other weirdo legend of marty banks page.
The other weirdo who runs TLOMB page has managed to leverage it into a successful professional career. Pretty sure he makes a bit of $$ from the page. Plus has picked up some decent roles as well. Is currently the social guy for the Wallabies.
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Fredsaua12 said in All Blacks 2025:
Saw a post on Instagram yesterday from the mythofdmac account showcasing the depth across NZ at the moment. thought i'd chuck it up here for reference of what Razors trying to build.
- just so no one jumps down their back, the criteria was mentioned as adding in capped players before the uncapped. Instagram link for reference
Lol nothing against you at all, but I wouldn't be using that idiot's data for anything. He's just a facebook ripoff of that other weirdo legend of marty banks page.
The other weirdo who runs TLOMB page has managed to leverage it into a successful professional career. Pretty sure he makes a bit of $$ from the page. Plus has picked up some decent roles as well. Is currently the social guy for the Wallabies.
Not a fan but yeah you're right, fair play to him.
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I don't see the hype around Dalton. Had his shot in the Black jersey, hasn't set the house on fire. Time to move on personally.
I'm hoping we see plenty of 6. Va'ai 7. Savea and 8. Sititi, with Parker and Lakai getting plenty of mins. Everyone else to me are there to carry tackle bags until injuries strike.
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I don't see the hype around Dalton. Had his shot in the Black jersey, hasn't set the house on fire. Time to move on personally.
I'm hoping we see plenty of 6. Va'ai 7. Savea and 8. Sititi, with Parker and Lakai getting plenty of mins. Everyone else to me are there to carry tackle bags until injuries strike.
@Canes4life im kind of the same, no hate, deserved the shots he was given, he s abit of a victim of the chopping and chnaging we've done of the last few years, was stuck behind cane and now savea has moved back to 7
I think the only thing that make thing like that sting a little there are other guys that seem to be untouchable when they probably should be dropped
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I don't see the hype around Dalton. Had his shot in the Black jersey, hasn't set the house on fire. Time to move on personally.
I'm hoping we see plenty of 6. Va'ai 7. Savea and 8. Sititi, with Parker and Lakai getting plenty of mins. Everyone else to me are there to carry tackle bags until injuries strike.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I don't see the hype around Dalton.
I do.
He's fast. 8 tries for the All Blacks and one of the quickest forwards around in supporting the ball carrier and reaching the breakdown.
He combines size with athleticism: 193cm and 113 kgs.
His work at the breakdown is excellent. Only Ardie Savea among NZ Players has achieved more turnovers in Super Rugby since 2020.
His work rate is superb. He regularly makes 20+ tackles a game and has made as many as 28.
He is consistent and in good form. He topped TSF poll of Blues MVP this year.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I don't see the hype around Dalton.
I do.
He's fast. 8 tries for the All Blacks and one of the quickest forwards around in supporting the ball carrier and reaching the breakdown.
He combines size with athleticism: 193cm and 113 kgs.
His work at the breakdown is excellent. Only Ardie Savea among NZ Players has achieved more turnovers in Super Rugby since 2020.
His work rate is superb. He regularly makes 20+ tackles a game and has made as many as 28.
He is consistent and in good form. He topped TSF poll of Blues MVP this year.
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On the negative side, Dalton Papalii's ball-carrying numbers aren't great at Test level and he lacks the x-factor of Ardie Savea or Wallace Sititi. He can be a little bit of a penalty magnet.
But I see all those as coachable work ons.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
On the negative side, Dalton Papalii's ball-carrying numbers aren't great at Test level and he lacks the x-factor of Ardie Savea or Wallace Sititi. He can be a little bit of a penalty magnet.
But I see all those as coachable work ons.
Papali'i has shown he is a good carrier but his focus has been dominating the ruck area on attack rather than carrying which he has done well.
Foster's win rate as AB head coach was 69.5% and when Papali'i started at 7 over that time we won 80% of our games. 7 is such a critical position for securing a good attack and defence. He did in an excellent job for the AB's in that role.
At 37 tests and 27 years of age he has the experience and the athleticism to move into being a world class loose forward for the AB's.
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These are the players from the current squad who I think have the potential to be or can continue being world class. I'm considering current athleticism, form, age, recent injury history, current rugby ability, rugby smarts, and potential - for 5 seconds each.
Definition of world class for this exercise is: would get into any top 10 test team 23.
Hookers:
Codie Taylor ( Is but for how much longer? )
Samisoni Taukei’aho ( Unlucky with injury but can still come good )Props:
Tamaiti Williams
Ollie Norris ( As bench impact )
Tyrel Lomax
Fletcher Newell
Pasilio Tosi ( As bench impact )Locks:
Fabian HollandLoose forwards:
Tupou Vaa'i
Ardie Savea
Wallace Sititi ( Is still green af and has a long way to go. Might not suit being paired with Savea. Can struggle against the bigger teams to make an impact. Long term best position probably 7. )Halfbacks:
Cameron RoigardUtility Bench:
Beauden Barrett
Damian Mckenzie
( Both of these guys might struggle to get into the French or South African teams )Midfielders:
Jordie BarrettOutside backs:
Will Jordan
Ruben LoveTight five is pretty good. Barrett and Tuipulotu are getting to a stage where they being held together by band aids but if managed they can each provide good performance. Don't see the sense in Barrett being captain under the circumstances.
I see Vaa'i as being a very good player but has more potential to be World Class focusing on 6.
Finau has the athletic ability and skills but I think he struggles at the moment mentally in his option taking over the course of the game.
I've thought Parker had the potential since early last year. He reminds me a lot of Kieran Read but there is a lot unknown about him.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
On the negative side, Dalton Papalii's ball-carrying numbers aren't great at Test level and he lacks the x-factor of Ardie Savea or Wallace Sititi. He can be a little bit of a penalty magnet.
But I see all those as coachable work ons.
Papali'i has shown he is a good carrier but his focus has been dominating the ruck area on attack rather than carrying which he has done well.
Foster's win rate as AB head coach was 69.5% and when Papali'i started at 7 over that time we won 80% of our games. 7 is such a critical position for securing a good attack and defence. He did in an excellent job for the AB's in that role.
At 37 tests and 27 years of age he has the experience and the athleticism to move into being a world class loose forward for the AB's.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I don't see the hype around Dalton.
I do.
He's fast. 8 tries for the All Blacks and one of the quickest forwards around in supporting the ball carrier and reaching the breakdown.
He combines size with athleticism: 193cm and 113 kgs.
His work at the breakdown is excellent. Only Ardie Savea among NZ Players has achieved more turnovers in Super Rugby since 2020.
His work rate is superb. He regularly makes 20+ tackles a game and has made as many as 28.
He is consistent and in good form. He topped TSF poll of Blues MVP this year.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I don't see the hype around Dalton.
I do.
He's fast. 8 tries for the All Blacks and one of the quickest forwards around in supporting the ball carrier and reaching the breakdown.
He combines size with athleticism: 193cm and 113 kgs.
His work at the breakdown is excellent. Only Ardie Savea among NZ Players has achieved more turnovers in Super Rugby since 2020.
His work rate is superb. He regularly makes 20+ tackles a game and has made as many as 28.
He is consistent and in good form. He topped TSF poll of Blues MVP this year.
Excellent post.
What does Jacobsen bring to the table that Papalii doesn’t have ?
( and please, no one mention the concrete shoulder that no one has ever seen at test level )
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I don't see the hype around Dalton.
I do.
He's fast. 8 tries for the All Blacks and one of the quickest forwards around in supporting the ball carrier and reaching the breakdown.
He combines size with athleticism: 193cm and 113 kgs.
His work at the breakdown is excellent. Only Ardie Savea among NZ Players has achieved more turnovers in Super Rugby since 2020.
His work rate is superb. He regularly makes 20+ tackles a game and has made as many as 28.
He is consistent and in good form. He topped TSF poll of Blues MVP this year.
Excellent post.
What does Jacobsen bring to the table that Papalii doesn’t have ?
( and please, no one mention the concrete shoulder that no one has ever seen at test level )
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I don't see the hype around Dalton.
I do.
He's fast. 8 tries for the All Blacks and one of the quickest forwards around in supporting the ball carrier and reaching the breakdown.
He combines size with athleticism: 193cm and 113 kgs.
His work at the breakdown is excellent. Only Ardie Savea among NZ Players has achieved more turnovers in Super Rugby since 2020.
His work rate is superb. He regularly makes 20+ tackles a game and has made as many as 28.
He is consistent and in good form. He topped TSF poll of Blues MVP this year.
Excellent post.
What does Jacobsen bring to the table that Papalii doesn’t have ?
( and please, no one mention the concrete shoulder that no one has ever seen at test level )
My hot take is that Jacobsen shouldn't be the guy making way for Papali'i.
Overall he was easily the best Chiefs loose forward this season and basically carried the team. He has a good overall game, experience and is tough
Lakai, Kirifi, and Sititi are all sub standard test cleaners and all three should not be in the squad at anyone time. One of these guys should not be there.
When it comes to carry game they have struggled against big sides.
Kirifi won zero turnovers against France and Lio-Willie actually did a better job in this area.
With Lakai, Kirifi, Sititi, and Savea in the squad we have too many guys who view securing the attacking breakdown as a secondary priority. They all struggle to shift bigger bodies compared to Papali'i and Jacobson.
Jacobson is the only guy in the squad who combines work rate and attacking breakdown ability. Finau is techincally very good but he has a low workrate. Parker also has a low workrate.
