All Blacks 2025
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.
It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.
Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.
I understand what you are hinting at here, but he really wasn't.
One of the very best things about his career is that everyone pretty much knew right away that he was a generational player and potentially the best ever. I consider myself incredibly lucky to have watched him and McCaw for so long.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.
It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.
Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.
I understand what you are hinting at here, but he really wasn't.
One of the very best things about his career is that everyone pretty much knew right away that he was a generational player and potentially the best ever. I consider myself incredibly lucky to have watched him and McCaw for so long.
Carter was never underrated. If anything Nonu was far more than him.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Money in the bank.
He had off days. Outsanding generally, but there were days he struggled with the boot.
I remember a game against the Bokke where he missed a lot ... even the best have off days.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Money in the bank.
He had off days. Outsanding generally, but there were days he struggled with the boot.
I remember a game against the Bokke where he missed a lot ... even the best have off days.
Probably more likely going through technique issues,
I think the important part about Dan and other great kickers they dont choke in front of goal , he loved the big occasion
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.
It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.
Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.
I understand what you are hinting at here, but he really wasn't.
One of the very best things about his career is that everyone pretty much knew right away that he was a generational player and potentially the best ever. I consider myself incredibly lucky to have watched him and McCaw for so long.
Carter was never underrated. If anything Nonu was far more than him.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.
It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.
Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.
I understand what you are hinting at here, but he really wasn't.
One of the very best things about his career is that everyone pretty much knew right away that he was a generational player and potentially the best ever. I consider myself incredibly lucky to have watched him and McCaw for so long.
Carter was never underrated. If anything Nonu was far more than him.
Nonu's arc from potentially wasted talent to best ever in his position is one of the great AB stories.
And he's still playing.
He's one of the few players I'd actually like to meet.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.
It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.
Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.
I understand what you are hinting at here, but he really wasn't.
One of the very best things about his career is that everyone pretty much knew right away that he was a generational player and potentially the best ever. I consider myself incredibly lucky to have watched him and McCaw for so long.
Carter was never underrated. If anything Nonu was far more than him.
Nonu's arc from potentially wasted talent to best ever in his position is one of the great AB stories.
And he's still playing.
He's one of the few players I'd actually like to meet.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
Either Jordie or Richie kick a penalty and we win the RWC2023. It matters. We don't value it.
It's why Carter was under rated if anything. Money in the bank.
Go and grab a beer, take a piss. 3 points in the bag by the time you come back.
I understand what you are hinting at here, but he really wasn't.
One of the very best things about his career is that everyone pretty much knew right away that he was a generational player and potentially the best ever. I consider myself incredibly lucky to have watched him and McCaw for so long.
Carter was never underrated. If anything Nonu was far more than him.
Nonu's arc from potentially wasted talent to best ever in his position is one of the great AB stories.
And he's still playing.
He's one of the few players I'd actually like to meet.
Have done so briefly on a couple of occasions. Seems a very nice bloke
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Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the same -
Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the same@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the sameThat’s what I mean. Everyone knew he got better and better but once he’d retired he did so as arguably the best 12 ever.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
I really hate comments like that - it's as if he thinks goal-kicking doesn't count. And comments like that really grate given we lost a World Cup final two years ago because we couldn't kick our goals.
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@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
I really hate comments like that - it's as if he thinks goal-kicking doesn't count. And comments like that really grate given we lost a World Cup final two years ago because we couldn't kick our goals.
@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
I really hate comments like that - it's as if he thinks goal-kicking doesn't count. And comments like that really grate given we lost a World Cup final two years ago because we couldn't kick our goals.
What is undeniable is that, despite all our lamentations about the ABs, the Pumas only just got up.
BB kicks one conversion and Pumas late penalty correctly called as going outside left hand post and it was 26 - 22 when we get that last penalty.
ABs could easily have won that match, and without the mystery Vaa’i yellow almost certainly would have.
In other words the gloom and doom has been heavily overdone, which is JP’s point I think.
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@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
I really hate comments like that - it's as if he thinks goal-kicking doesn't count. And comments like that really grate given we lost a World Cup final two years ago because we couldn't kick our goals.
What is undeniable is that, despite all our lamentations about the ABs, the Pumas only just got up.
BB kicks one conversion and Pumas late penalty correctly called as going outside left hand post and it was 26 - 22 when we get that last penalty.
ABs could easily have won that match, and without the mystery Vaa’i yellow almost certainly would have.
In other words the gloom and doom has been heavily overdone, which is JP’s point I think.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
I really hate comments like that - it's as if he thinks goal-kicking doesn't count. And comments like that really grate given we lost a World Cup final two years ago because we couldn't kick our goals.
What is undeniable is that, despite all our lamentations about the ABs, the Pumas only just got up.
BB kicks one conversion and Pumas late penalty correctly called as going outside left hand post and it was 26 - 22 when we get that last penalty.
ABs could easily have won that match, and without the mystery Vaa’i yellow almost certainly would have.
In other words the gloom and doom has been heavily overdone, which is JP’s point I think.
We should be belting teams so dodgy TMO calls and missed conversions dont matter.
Like the away fighter who knows he wont get the rub of the judges score cards.......knock them out.
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@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
ANALYSIS: Scott Robertson oversaw his fifth loss since taking charge of the All Blacks on Sunday, as they went down 29-23 against Argentina in Buenos Aires. The defeat came in Robertson’s 19th match since replacing Ian Foster at the helm of New Zealand’s national men’s rugby team at the start of last year.
He has now overseen five losses faster than the last four men to be in the hot seat before him – Foster, Sir Steve Hansen, Sir Graham Henry and John Mitchell.Yes but as James Parsons said if we had kicked all our shots at goal the All Blacks would have won, so all is grand.
I really hate comments like that - it's as if he thinks goal-kicking doesn't count. And comments like that really grate given we lost a World Cup final two years ago because we couldn't kick our goals.
What is undeniable is that, despite all our lamentations about the ABs, the Pumas only just got up.
BB kicks one conversion and Pumas late penalty correctly called as going outside left hand post and it was 26 - 22 when we get that last penalty.
ABs could easily have won that match, and without the mystery Vaa’i yellow almost certainly would have.
In other words the gloom and doom has been heavily overdone, which is JP’s point I think.
@pakman I'd argue the doom and gloom about that performance is, if anything, under done.
The ABs missed 40 tackles. The backline made only one line break and between them just 72 minutes. The ABs were stuffed in terms of territory, possession and the aerial battle.
It wasn't an unlucky defeat. It was an absolute mugging by the side ranked Seven in the world. The score line massively flattered the All Blacks.
It was one of the very worst All Blacks I've seen in 40 years of supporting the side in bad and mostly good times.
And no amount of spin by Scott Robertson's pals on TV will change my mind.
Which brings me to the central point. Our current Head Coach seems exceptional at media management and spin, but not nearly so good at getting the best out of his players in the test arena.
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@pakman I'd argue the doom and gloom about that performance is, if anything, under done.
The ABs missed 40 tackles. The backline made only one line break and between them just 72 minutes. The ABs were stuffed in terms of territory, possession and the aerial battle.
It wasn't an unlucky defeat. It was an absolute mugging by the side ranked Seven in the world. The score line massively flattered the All Blacks.
It was one of the very worst All Blacks I've seen in 40 years of supporting the side in bad and mostly good times.
And no amount of spin by Scott Robertson's pals on TV will change my mind.
Which brings me to the central point. Our current Head Coach seems exceptional at media management and spin, but not nearly so good at getting the best out of his players in the test arena.
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Argentina are always tough at home. But we were so fundamentally poor it was disgraceful. We could very well turn it around for the Boks. That in itself will be an indictment on the coaching group as it would suggest they took them lightly and failed to adequately prepare the team for Argie 2
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I'm not getting fucking fooled into pointless optimism again. I'm resigned to losing the Eden Park record to the most cunty obnoxious management and fans on the planet.
And I don't mean Hurricanes or Irish.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
I'm not getting fucking fooled into pointless optimism again. I'm resigned to losing the Eden Park record to the most cunty obnoxious management and fans on the planet.
And I don't mean Hurricanes or Irish.
Majestic post. A drive by on 3 sets of fans in one go.
Superlative.
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I'm not getting fucking fooled into pointless optimism again. I'm resigned to losing the Eden Park record to the most cunty obnoxious management and fans on the planet.
And I don't mean Hurricanes or Irish.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
I'm not getting fucking fooled into pointless optimism again. I'm resigned to losing the Eden Park record to the most cunty obnoxious management and fans on the planet.
And I don't mean Hurricanes or Irish.
I didn’t realise there was some matches against England coming up. I really must pay more attention
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@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the sameThat’s what I mean. Everyone knew he got better and better but once he’d retired he did so as arguably the best 12 ever.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the sameThat’s what I mean. Everyone knew he got better and better but once he’d retired he did so as arguably the best 12 ever.
Most complete 12 I've ever seen. Had everything in his game and lot of that came from hard yakka. off the field.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the sameThat’s what I mean. Everyone knew he got better and better but once he’d retired he did so as arguably the best 12 ever.
Most complete 12 I've ever seen. Had everything in his game and lot of that came from hard yakka. off the field.
@Victor-Meldrew it's like the work you saw Aaron Smith doing off the park on his pass, are others doing this with thier kicking, throwing, passing, catching etc.
Just cos you in the ABs dont mean you dont do your own work too.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the sameThat’s what I mean. Everyone knew he got better and better but once he’d retired he did so as arguably the best 12 ever.
Most complete 12 I've ever seen. Had everything in his game and lot of that came from hard yakka. off the field.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the sameThat’s what I mean. Everyone knew he got better and better but once he’d retired he did so as arguably the best 12 ever.
Most complete 12 I've ever seen. Had everything in his game and lot of that came from hard yakka. off the field.
All the skills and a physical beast with it.
Fuck Tim Horan, Nonu is the GOAT
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the sameThat’s what I mean. Everyone knew he got better and better but once he’d retired he did so as arguably the best 12 ever.
Most complete 12 I've ever seen. Had everything in his game and lot of that came from hard yakka. off the field.
All the skills and a physical beast with it.
Fuck Tim Horan, Nonu is the GOAT
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the sameThat’s what I mean. Everyone knew he got better and better but once he’d retired he did so as arguably the best 12 ever.
Most complete 12 I've ever seen. Had everything in his game and lot of that came from hard yakka. off the field.
All the skills and a physical beast with it.
Fuck Tim Horan, Nonu is the GOAT
I think there were players with more natural talent and skills. None had his work ethic,
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the sameThat’s what I mean. Everyone knew he got better and better but once he’d retired he did so as arguably the best 12 ever.
Most complete 12 I've ever seen. Had everything in his game and lot of that came from hard yakka. off the field.
All the skills and a physical beast with it.
Fuck Tim Horan, Nonu is the GOAT
I think there were players with more natural talent and skills. None had his work ethic,
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Nonu was appreciated in his time. But I think his stature has grown exponentially over the last decade since his international retirement.
Carter’s stature has probably remained the sameThat’s what I mean. Everyone knew he got better and better but once he’d retired he did so as arguably the best 12 ever.
Most complete 12 I've ever seen. Had everything in his game and lot of that came from hard yakka. off the field.
All the skills and a physical beast with it.
Fuck Tim Horan, Nonu is the GOAT
I think there were players with more natural talent and skills. None had his work ethic,
When he debuted for the Canes Nonu was raw powerful and exciting but he tended to make fundamental errors that were exposed when he first played for the All Blacks. Over time he polished those edges and also added a decent kicking game and a very good passing game, two things that he never had at the start. Combined with his brutal physicality Nonu was a complete midfielder for the second half of his all black career. He also had a durability that is evident to this day as he still continues to play professionally
