All Blacks 2025
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Fuck foster is a whinging fluffybunny
You were under pressure because you were doing a shit job, not because of some rubbish conspiracy
It's not Foster talking, whinging or pushing conspiracy theories - it's Gilbert Enoka, Aaron Smith, Joe Schmidt speaking out.
Razor deserved his chance, but now also deserves the same scrutiny as the failure before him
I doubt you'll see it from NZR if we lose on Saturday or lose the RC for a second year in a row - they are too invested in their choice.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Fuck foster is a whinging fluffybunny
You were under pressure because you were doing a shit job, not because of some rubbish conspiracy
It's not Foster talking, whinging or pushing conspiracy theories - it's Gilbert Enoka, Aaron Smith, Joe Schmidt speaking out.
Razor deserved his chance, but now also deserves the same scrutiny as the failure before him
I doubt you'll see it from NZR if we lose on Saturday or lose the RC for a second year in a row - they are too invested in their choice.
Aaron Smith too? It might explain why the players were so supportive of Fozzie throughout his tenure
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Is is undeniable that Razor is superlative in a play every week for 14 weeks, then have three weeks of knock out format.
However, the play every third week win [almost] every game current set up of ABs is very different in a number of significant aspects.
Is it any real surprise results to date are mixed? -
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Fuck foster is a whinging fluffybunny
You were under pressure because you were doing a shit job, not because of some rubbish conspiracy
It's not Foster talking, whinging or pushing conspiracy theories - it's Gilbert Enoka, Aaron Smith, Joe Schmidt speaking out.
Razor deserved his chance, but now also deserves the same scrutiny as the failure before him
I doubt you'll see it from NZR if we lose on Saturday or lose the RC for a second year in a row - they are too invested in their choice.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
It's not Foster talking, whinging or pushing conspiracy theories - it's Gilbert Enoka, Aaron Smith, Joe Schmidt speaking out.
Apologies, I though the quotes came from Foster's book.
Where did they come from?Anyway it's still my opinion that he deserved to be under pressure because of poor results..
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
It's not Foster talking, whinging or pushing conspiracy theories - it's Gilbert Enoka, Aaron Smith, Joe Schmidt speaking out.
Apologies, I though the quotes came from Foster's book.
Where did they come from?Anyway it's still my opinion that he deserved to be under pressure because of poor results..
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Apologies, I though the quotes came from Foster's book.
Where did they come from?Foster's book, But as I pointed out, they aren't from Foster.
There're quotes from Joe Schmidt, Gilbert Enoka, Aaron Smith, Sam Whitelock and others. You know, the people who were actually there at the time.
Anyway it's still my opinion that he deserved to be under pressure because of poor results..
Which is a bit irrelevant to point I was making about Robertson getting the support he needs from NZR if he loses on Saturday
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
I suppose the question would be where do we turn?
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Robertson was the outstanding candidate from super and the obvious choice to progress.
His fanbois in NZR convinced themselves a bloke with zero Test experience was the ideal head coach. We'll find out this Saturday if they still think it was a good move.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
@nzzp if the process has been handled more professionally, Foster may not have even had a shot!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
Was easier with Fozzie as he was only signed to 2 year deal to begin with.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I think Robertson is almost unsackable before the next RWC
NZR won't want to buy out his contract and the media/public seems a lot less critical than previous coaches. Coaches like Hansen and Henry coped more criticism with better results at the same stage
Most of his assistants are very sackable though
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Robertson made it clear he wanted the job when the pressure was on Foster. Right now, I don’t think there’s a ready replacement lined up, even if Robertson wasn’t tied to a longer contract.
In general, I’d prefer to give any coach a full World Cup cycle rather than just two years, though I can see the case for building a results threshold into the contract. Even then, how tough that threshold is to meet would depend a lot on the quality of the opposition.
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Robertson made it clear he wanted the job when the pressure was on Foster. Right now, I don’t think there’s a ready replacement lined up, even if Robertson wasn’t tied to a longer contract.
In general, I’d prefer to give any coach a full World Cup cycle rather than just two years, though I can see the case for building a results threshold into the contract. Even then, how tough that threshold is to meet would depend a lot on the quality of the opposition.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
Robertson made it clear he wanted the job when the pressure was on Foster. Right now, I don’t think there’s a ready replacement lined up, even if Robertson wasn’t tied to a longer contract.
In general, I’d prefer to give any coach a full World Cup cycle rather than just two years, though I can see the case for building a results threshold into the contract. Even then, how tough that threshold is to meet would depend a lot on the quality of the opposition.
Just curious if the job would become less appealing if coaches weren't given a full 4 year contract?
I'd imagine anyone taking the job sees it as a project and feel it would take a full 4 years to really put your own stamp on the team. If you make the second two years contingent on results doesn't that seem like a vote of no confidence before you have even begun to implement your own ideas?
Not saying it's a bad idea Id just be curious to know how the candidates would view being given a shorter tenure than All Black coaches have historically been given? It seemed like it would be pretty embarrassing to only last two years.
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Huge weekend for the coaches.
Reece dropped and a bit of movement in the forwards, but that’s really the only selectorial changes the coaches have made.
I’m hoping that this week represents the turning point for the coaches and team.
A loss will have to stimulate a lot of questions, but I really dont want that. The shitfight would be fun but the Eden park record is something we should really fight for.
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Aside from perhaps Ryan, there's doesn't appear to be much mongrel or hard edge in the coaching group.
Joe Schmidt is no old school Jamie Joseph but he seems very down to earth and technically focused.
I've said it once already, but the way Scott Hansen comes across in interviews does not fill with confidence at all.
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One of the most disappointing aspects for me is Jordie came back and played really well at 12, initially. Showed more variety and incisiveness than I recall previously but has been tending back down to average. I'm sure there was a time people coming into the AB team lifted. Seems to me the backs really need a specialist gun skills coach.
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One of the most disappointing aspects for me is Jordie came back and played really well at 12, initially. Showed more variety and incisiveness than I recall previously but has been tending back down to average. I'm sure there was a time people coming into the AB team lifted. Seems to me the backs really need a specialist gun skills coach.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
One of the most disappointing aspects for me is Jordie came back and played really well at 12, initially. Showed more variety and incisiveness than I recall previously but has been tending back down to average. I'm sure there was a time people coming into the AB team lifted. Seems to me the backs really need a specialist gun skills coach.
Yup. Looked very good v France. Was not much good in Argentina.
I'm hoping some of the issues in Argentina were a function of playing overseas, out of their comfort zone, in front of away crowds. I know it's part of the task to play away but I'm just hopeful that the next 3 matches being in NZ will give the team a lift in every sense.
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I think the full RWC cycle is good as it gives enough time to get players through that you want.
But saying that, with the complete management change, Razor kept the same team last year but this he has changed about 8 or 9 players in the starting lineup, these guys have only really played 4 games together. So he is almost a year behind or more if players don’t work out.
