Reds v British Lions
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Aidan Ross starts.
REDS (1-15): Aidan Ross, Matt Faessler, Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, Josh Canham, Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, Seru Uru, John Bryant, Joe Brial, Kalani Thomas, Harry McLaughlin-Phillips, Tim Ryan, Hunter Paisami, Josh Flook, Lachie Anderson, Jock Campbell (c)
Reserves: Josh Nasser, George Blake, Sef Fa'agase, Ryan Smith, Angus Blyth, Conor Vest, Louis Werchon, Isaac Henry
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Aidan Ross starts.
REDS (1-15): Aidan Ross, Matt Faessler, Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, Josh Canham, Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, Seru Uru, John Bryant, Joe Brial, Kalani Thomas, Harry McLaughlin-Phillips, Tim Ryan, Hunter Paisami, Josh Flook, Lachie Anderson, Jock Campbell (c)
Reserves: Josh Nasser, George Blake, Sef Fa'agase, Ryan Smith, Angus Blyth, Conor Vest, Louis Werchon, Isaac Henry
@Bovidae said in Reds v British Lions:
Aidan Ross starts.
REDS (1-15): Aidan Ross, Matt Faessler, Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, Josh Canham, Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, Seru Uru, John Bryant, Joe Brial, Kalani Thomas, Harry McLaughlin-Phillips, Tim Ryan, Hunter Paisami, Josh Flook, Lachie Anderson, Jock Campbell (c)
Reserves: Josh Nasser, George Blake, Sef Fa'agase, Ryan Smith, Angus Blyth, Conor Vest, Louis Werchon, Isaac Henry
That's a pretty bloody decent Reds side, hope they can upset the ledger.
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Aidan Ross starts.
REDS (1-15): Aidan Ross, Matt Faessler, Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, Josh Canham, Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, Seru Uru, John Bryant, Joe Brial, Kalani Thomas, Harry McLaughlin-Phillips, Tim Ryan, Hunter Paisami, Josh Flook, Lachie Anderson, Jock Campbell (c)
Reserves: Josh Nasser, George Blake, Sef Fa'agase, Ryan Smith, Angus Blyth, Conor Vest, Louis Werchon, Isaac Henry
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@Bovidae Wonder if Heremaia Murray was available for selection or not? I thought he started super rugby reasonably strong for them but seems to have faded away
@DurryMexted Kiss has gone for a 6:2 bench, so maybe Henry offers more utility.
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@Canes4life said in Reds v British Lions:
Finn Russell backing up from the last match to give himself every chance of making the test team. Absolute champion.
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Aidan Ross starts.
REDS (1-15): Aidan Ross, Matt Faessler, Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, Josh Canham, Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, Seru Uru, John Bryant, Joe Brial, Kalani Thomas, Harry McLaughlin-Phillips, Tim Ryan, Hunter Paisami, Josh Flook, Lachie Anderson, Jock Campbell (c)
Reserves: Josh Nasser, George Blake, Sef Fa'agase, Ryan Smith, Angus Blyth, Conor Vest, Louis Werchon, Isaac Henry
@Bovidae said in Reds v British Lions:
Aidan Ross starts.
REDS (1-15): Aidan Ross, Matt Faessler, Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, Josh Canham, Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, Seru Uru, John Bryant, Joe Brial, Kalani Thomas, Harry McLaughlin-Phillips, Tim Ryan, Hunter Paisami, Josh Flook, Lachie Anderson, Jock Campbell (c)
Reserves: Josh Nasser, George Blake, Sef Fa'agase, Ryan Smith, Angus Blyth, Conor Vest, Louis Werchon, Isaac Henry
Aidan Ross and JTA - two NZers that will play against the BIL for the second time but for two different provincial/franchise teams. Who else has done that also?
Maori ABs or Barbarian teams don’t count.
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Looks like they're legitimately trying to avoid the problems of the past in having already selected a Test and Other squad before embarking on the tour.
@antipodean said in Reds v British Lions:
Looks like they're legitimately trying to avoid the problems of the past in having already selected a Test and Other squad before embarking on the tour.
Not as clear cut as that IMHO
Giving everyone game time and working on combos
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@Bovidae said in Reds v British Lions:
Aidan Ross starts.
REDS (1-15): Aidan Ross, Matt Faessler, Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, Josh Canham, Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, Seru Uru, John Bryant, Joe Brial, Kalani Thomas, Harry McLaughlin-Phillips, Tim Ryan, Hunter Paisami, Josh Flook, Lachie Anderson, Jock Campbell (c)
Reserves: Josh Nasser, George Blake, Sef Fa'agase, Ryan Smith, Angus Blyth, Conor Vest, Louis Werchon, Isaac Henry
Aidan Ross and JTA - two NZers that will play against the BIL for the second time but for two different provincial/franchise teams. Who else has done that also?
Maori ABs or Barbarian teams don’t count.
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@antipodean said in Reds v British Lions:
Looks like they're legitimately trying to avoid the problems of the past in having already selected a Test and Other squad before embarking on the tour.
Not as clear cut as that IMHO
Giving everyone game time and working on combos
@MiketheSnow said in Reds v British Lions:
@antipodean said in Reds v British Lions:
Looks like they're legitimately trying to avoid the problems of the past in having already selected a Test and Other squad before embarking on the tour.
Not as clear cut as that IMHO
Giving everyone game time and working on combos
On reflection I can see I wasn't clear in my post. I'm agreeing with you that they're specifically not doing that this time.
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Poor Tomos Williams is out of the tour, with Ben White getting the call to replace him. A much worse hamstring tear than was first thought. Shame as he was shaping up very well.
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Stupid, bloody acrobatics
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@ACT-Crusader I am sure it was done back when the Lions made big tours and played a lot of provincial games as NZ players of that era often moved around for work. I doubt this feat has been done for teams from two different countries.
@Bovidae said in Reds v British Lions:
@ACT-Crusader I am sure it was done back when the Lions made big tours and played a lot of provincial games as NZ players of that era often moved around for work. I doubt this feat has been done for teams from two different countries.
In terms of timing 7 years between 70-77 tours might have allowed it to happen.
77-83 was 16 years so may have been too big a gap.
83-93 was 10 years.
93-05 12 years.
Considering playing for Maori as well as provinces another avenue for different opponents.
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@Bovidae said in Reds v British Lions:
@ACT-Crusader I am sure it was done back when the Lions made big tours and played a lot of provincial games as NZ players of that era often moved around for work. I doubt this feat has been done for teams from two different countries.
In terms of timing 7 years between 70-77 tours might have allowed it to happen.
77-83 was 16 years so may have been too big a gap.
83-93 was 10 years.
93-05 12 years.
Considering playing for Maori as well as provinces another avenue for different opponents.
@booboo said in Reds v British Lions:
@Bovidae said in Reds v British Lions:
@ACT-Crusader I am sure it was done back when the Lions made big tours and played a lot of provincial games as NZ players of that era often moved around for work. I doubt this feat has been done for teams from two different countries.
In terms of timing 7 years between 70-77 tours might have allowed it to happen.
77-83 was 16 years so may have been too big a gap.
83-93 was 10 years.
93-05 12 years.
Considering playing for Maori as well as provinces another avenue for different opponents.
That's just NZ...
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Do we count players who played for provinces AND played Tests? In that case heapses.
Edit. Ignore...
"two different provincial/franchise teams:
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@booboo said in Reds v British Lions:
@Bovidae said in Reds v British Lions:
@ACT-Crusader I am sure it was done back when the Lions made big tours and played a lot of provincial games as NZ players of that era often moved around for work. I doubt this feat has been done for teams from two different countries.
In terms of timing 7 years between 70-77 tours might have allowed it to happen.
77-83 was 16 years so may have been too big a gap.
83-93 was 10 years.
93-05 12 years.
Considering playing for Maori as well as provinces another avenue for different opponents.
That's just NZ...
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@booboo don't think 77 to 83 will have been much of a gap. Should be quite a few on the list. John Fleming and Mike McCool are two that come to mind
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@Bovidae said in Reds v British Lions:
Aidan Ross starts.
REDS (1-15): Aidan Ross, Matt Faessler, Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, Josh Canham, Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, Seru Uru, John Bryant, Joe Brial, Kalani Thomas, Harry McLaughlin-Phillips, Tim Ryan, Hunter Paisami, Josh Flook, Lachie Anderson, Jock Campbell (c)
Reserves: Josh Nasser, George Blake, Sef Fa'agase, Ryan Smith, Angus Blyth, Conor Vest, Louis Werchon, Isaac Henry
Aidan Ross and JTA - two NZers that will play against the BIL for the second time but for two different provincial/franchise teams. Who else has done that also?
Maori ABs or Barbarian teams don’t count.
@ACT-Crusader said in Reds v British Lions:
Aidan Ross and JTA - two NZers that will play against the BIL for the second time but for two different provincial/franchise teams. Who else has done that also?
I had a quick look at some names. Some of the obvious old-timers (e.g., Wilson Whineray) were often playing for different provinces in non-BIL tour years. There is at least one player and former AB who has achieved this - Graeme Higginson. He played for Canterbury against the Lions in 1977 and for Hawke's Bay in 1983.
And as @ARHS said, John Fleming (Wellington in 1977, Waikato in 1983).
