All Blacks v France III
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@1kiwi said in All Blacks v France III:
Tuipulotu
considering no one would be speaking like this about Patrick, who is the other Tuipulotu?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France III:
@1kiwi said in All Blacks v France III:
Tuipulotu
considering no one would be speaking like this about Patrick, who is the other Tuipulotu?
Tane ? Bloody solid Hurricane but struggled for game time with Umaga, Nonu and Smith to be fair.
Very good game from Finau, I had my doubts, let’s hope he builds on this.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France III:
ALB was a penalty magnet again. I think he's not capable of playing 13 at this level as he doesn't have the pace to cover the gap our defensive structure provides the opposition. So at best he's down the pecking order of 12s.
The one thing he does have is good vision, just often not the tools to implement it. He did rush up quite a bit to stunt the French attack.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France III:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France III:
ALB was a penalty magnet again. I think he's not capable of playing 13 at this level as he doesn't have the pace to cover the gap our defensive structure provides the opposition. So at best he's down the pecking order of 12s.
The one thing he does have is good vision, just often not the tools to implement it. He did rush up quite a bit to stunt the French attack.
If we could transplant ALB’s brain into Rieko’s body?
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@Grooter said in All Blacks v France III:
Thank goodness for Jordie Barrett
It was all Leinster apparently. He was shit prior to that.
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ALB was a penalty magnet again. I think he's not capable of playing 13 at this level as he doesn't have the pace to cover the gap our defensive structure provides the opposition. So at best he's down the pecking order of 12s.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France III:
ALB was a penalty magnet again. I think he's not capable of playing 13 at this level as he doesn't have the pace to cover the gap our defensive structure provides the opposition. So at best he's down the pecking order of 12s.
I don't see the point of having him there. He wasn't particularly good in the past, offers nothing in the present and definitely doesn't represent the future.
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I thought Kirifi showed more than his previous two appearances, but I still have an inkling that once Lakai is fit and healthy he'll surpass both Kirifi and Lio-Willie in the pecking order.
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Thoughts to generate some chat again.
Anyone who watched that and doesn't think Finau belongs in test rugby shouldn't bother logging back in, just go post on reddit rugby. He was our most effective loose forward for the majority of the match while the other two swanned about doing dumb shit.
Anyone who watched DMac calmy pass the ball to dangerous areas, kick with accuracy and depth, and just calmly guide us around, and doesn't think he should own that 10 jersey should also not bother logging back in.
The fact Jordie Barrett has come back from Europe playing this well is a damning indictment on our domestic coaching. He's night and day better than last year, so thank you Ireland.
If Razor puts Barrett back to starting lock given the form of the other two guys it would be a disgraceful piece of selecting.Geez the French have some depth. They played bloody well, that #8 was a fucking menace. Their forwards were so strong too, stopping us over and over again. Credit to the big lads who eventually got over the top of them.
Good test and a good win.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France III:
Thoughts to generate some chat again.
Anyone who watched that and doesn't think Finau belongs in test rugby shouldn't bother logging back in, just go post on reddit rugby. He was our most effective loose forward for the majority of the match while the other two swanned about doing dumb shit.
Anyone who watched DMac calmy pass the ball to dangerous areas, kick with accuracy and depth, and just calmly guide us around, and doesn't think he should own that 10 jersey should also not bother logging back in.
> The fact Jordie Barrett has come back from Europe playing this well is a damning indictment on our domestic coaching. He's night and day better than last year, so thank you Ireland.
If Razor puts Barrett back to starting lock given the form of the other two guys it would be a disgraceful piece of selecting.Geez the French have some depth. They played bloody well, that #8 was a fucking menace. Their forwards were so strong too, stopping us over and over again. Credit to the big lads who eventually got over the top of them.
Good test and a good win.
I agree with all of that, but this really jumped out. Something's rotten with our coaching here if he can go on holiday contract and come back a significantly better player.
I love ALB (have loved?) but he really has become a penalty magnet and shouldn't hold his place.
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I agree with the bulk of the comments.
I thought it was noteworthy that Razor mentioned Brodie M is like having another prop on the field when it comes to the scrum. The scrum really did get into gear later in the match
One piece of infuriating play was watching the ABs try and bash over close to the line time and again only to be held up 4 - 5 times.
With the newish drop out / held up rules - the play when you are within a metre or so is to go wider - especially when the opposition has shown the ability to defend in close well - there's too many bodies for pick and go or narrow one out runners. Yet we didn't go wider nearly enough in those situations.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France III:
Thoughts to generate some chat again.
Anyone who watched that and doesn't think Finau belongs in test rugby shouldn't bother logging back in, just go post on reddit rugby. He was our most effective loose forward for the majority of the match while the other two swanned about doing dumb shit.
Anyone who watched DMac calmy pass the ball to dangerous areas, kick with accuracy and depth, and just calmly guide us around, and doesn't think he should own that 10 jersey should also not bother logging back in.
> The fact Jordie Barrett has come back from Europe playing this well is a damning indictment on our domestic coaching. He's night and day better than last year, so thank you Ireland.
If Razor puts Barrett back to starting lock given the form of the other two guys it would be a disgraceful piece of selecting.Geez the French have some depth. They played bloody well, that #8 was a fucking menace. Their forwards were so strong too, stopping us over and over again. Credit to the big lads who eventually got over the top of them.
Good test and a good win.
I agree with all of that, but this really jumped out. Something's rotten with our coaching here if he can go on holiday contract and come back a significantly better player.
I love ALB (have loved?) but he really has become a penalty magnet and shouldn't hold his place.
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France III:
Something's rotten with our coaching here if he can go on holiday contract and come back a significantly better player.
On the other hand though, isn't that half the point of a sabbatical? That players can get away, get refreshed and reinvigorated?
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Went to the game. Tailgated all afternoon. Watched the end of a fun Club semifinal. Ate, drank, and then saw a good quality french outfit push us.
I rated Love at the back live. Thought he did very well.
Our basics let us down - this is a general observation on Rugby in this country at the moment. Kicking isn't valued, so we get popgun, shit kickers, we are very very ambitious on setpiece moves that break down.
The chip on the 10 m line ... frankly astonishing.Good win against a spirited French side. JB was outstanding. France were close, but close is no cigar ... but damn they pushed us right to the end.
Level of physical and speed was a serious tick up on Super.
All in all, a good fun trip
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I agree with the bulk of the comments.
I thought it was noteworthy that Razor mentioned Brodie M is like having another prop on the field when it comes to the scrum. The scrum really did get into gear later in the match
One piece of infuriating play was watching the ABs try and bash over close to the line time and again only to be held up 4 - 5 times.
With the newish drop out / held up rules - the play when you are within a metre or so is to go wider - especially when the opposition has shown the ability to defend in close well - there's too many bodies for pick and go or narrow one out runners. Yet we didn't go wider nearly enough in those situations.
@KiwiMurph lack of smarts, could not believe some of those attempts to get it over.the line, very low % play with so many bodies there, even if you do get it down, ref and tmo need to see it.
We did a lot of really good stuff mixed with some incredibly dumb stuff, with Ardies chip probably the winner on the day.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v France III:
So, thoughts on that chip kick from the captain?
Just don't fucking start me ...
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Went to the game. Tailgated all afternoon. Watched the end of a fun Club semifinal. Ate, drank, and then saw a good quality french outfit push us.
I rated Love at the back live. Thought he did very well.
Our basics let us down - this is a general observation on Rugby in this country at the moment. Kicking isn't valued, so we get popgun, shit kickers, we are very very ambitious on setpiece moves that break down.
The chip on the 10 m line ... frankly astonishing.Good win against a spirited French side. JB was outstanding. France were close, but close is no cigar ... but damn they pushed us right to the end.
Level of physical and speed was a serious tick up on Super.
All in all, a good fun trip
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France III:
Our basics let us down - this is a general observation on Rugby in this country at the moment. Kicking isn't valued, so we get popgun, shit kickers, we are very very ambitious on setpiece moves that break down.
It was noticeable to me how well and deep the French could kick. Obvious benefits of playing in a comp with a longer season - forwards would be less enamoured of having to go backwards.
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Thoughts to generate some chat again.
Anyone who watched that and doesn't think Finau belongs in test rugby shouldn't bother logging back in, just go post on reddit rugby. He was our most effective loose forward for the majority of the match while the other two swanned about doing dumb shit.
Anyone who watched DMac calmy pass the ball to dangerous areas, kick with accuracy and depth, and just calmly guide us around, and doesn't think he should own that 10 jersey should also not bother logging back in.
The fact Jordie Barrett has come back from Europe playing this well is a damning indictment on our domestic coaching. He's night and day better than last year, so thank you Ireland.
If Razor puts Barrett back to starting lock given the form of the other two guys it would be a disgraceful piece of selecting.Geez the French have some depth. They played bloody well, that #8 was a fucking menace. Their forwards were so strong too, stopping us over and over again. Credit to the big lads who eventually got over the top of them.
Good test and a good win.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France III:
Thoughts to generate some chat again.
Anyone who watched that and doesn't think Finau belongs in test rugby shouldn't bother logging back in, just go post on reddit rugby. He was our most effective loose forward for the majority of the match while the other two swanned about doing dumb shit.
Anyone who watched DMac calmy pass the ball to dangerous areas, kick with accuracy and depth, and just calmly guide us around, and doesn't think he should own that 10 jersey should also not bother logging back in.
The fact Jordie Barrett has come back from Europe playing this well is a damning indictment on our domestic coaching. He's night and day better than last year, so thank you Ireland.
If Razor puts Barrett back to starting lock given the form of the other two guys it would be a disgraceful piece of selecting.Geez the French have some depth. They played bloody well, that #8 was a fucking menace. Their forwards were so strong too, stopping us over and over again. Credit to the big lads who eventually got over the top of them.
Good test and a good win.
I'm a massive Finau fan, but was disappointed with his output on Saturday.
I will say I was in the same position with Vaa'i and I am right about him. So am nowhere near writing Finau off.
Don't think he was helped by the tiny other looseforwards. He was the only big guy of the 2.
Would have put CLW at 8 rather than DPK to start.
DPK is like our 5th or 6th loosie against teams that dont have a big trio ... Aussie ... size matters.
I think that lack of size on Saturday affected our physicality. Am pretty sure I said somewhere I would like to have seen Ah Kuoi in the mix. NAK and Vaa'i seem to be similar options at 5.
The old saying about a good big player beats a good small player...
Agree with the rest of your points.
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I couldn't believe that Reece got a 7 from the local scribe. He spent all of the 1st half getting in the way with ineffectual picks that killed any forward momentum, and then didn't back himself to beat a defender on the outside. It was as dumb as de Groot thinking he could barge over with a defender already holding him.
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I feel there are still more questions than answers right now.
This may ruffle a few feathers but DMac's best place in test match footy is coming into the game as an impact player. I'm not convinced with Beauden as our starting 10 either.
Fabian Holland has taken to test match rugby like a duck to water.
Time to move on from ALB, Reece and Tuipulotu
Clearly daylight between Roigard and the other halfbacks. Ratima has been average this series.
Jury is still out around Proctor at 13 but RI is not the answer so maybe Proctor just needs a bit more time in the saddle.
General play kicking has been poor as has receiving kick offs and exits.@1kiwi said in All Blacks v France III:
Time to move on from ALB, Reece and Tuipulotu
Not agreeing.
ALB was adequate. He's better than a lot judge him to be. He's not a world beater but I'm not unhappy with him in our team. Better than some make him out to be.
Reece, not black to his best, but he creates shit from nothing. He's one of our best wingers at ggd moment... but nat not be come 2027 ...
See comments on Reece re Tuipolutu and 2027. But until Darry, Beenre, Lord etc show up better he's one of our two best loxks.
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I thought Finau's clean was his stand out attribute. His body position is so good, and it's not flashy it just assertively secures the ball. He was also really busy.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France III:
I thought Finau's clean was his stand out attribute.
He did the same in the earlier tests but haters don't want to see it. It was especially evident in the last 5 mins of the Dunedin test.
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ALB was a penalty magnet again. I think he's not capable of playing 13 at this level as he doesn't have the pace to cover the gap our defensive structure provides the opposition. So at best he's down the pecking order of 12s.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France III:
ALB was a penalty magnet again.
Although if he was the player penalised as Gardner said, the replay showed that Reece was way in front of him.
