All Blacks v Springboks I
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
The Proctor cross kick, was Jordan calling for it?
Dunno, but the risk on it was off the scale.
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Forwards are sorted apart from we need to work on our scrum. The backs as a whole are a liability !!! I cannot see us winning the next WC unless there are serious changes. Some of the personal and tactics are are just wrong. No expert but we used to have the best backs just about always. What the fuck happened. Too many stupid and inaccurate kicks.
There are players in the NPC that are in better form than our current All Black backs. pick on form not just because they played 50 odd test. Look at Holland and Parker. If you are good enough then you should be in. We need to get more new blood in the backs or a decent backs coach. Two years out and no more time to fuck about or have loyalty to player that are obviously past it.
@mencey
The thing is they haven't been trialling new backs much.
Love could easily come on for the final 20 minutes. They don't even do that.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Well, I'm not getting into a conversation defending Christie as anything more than 4th string, but his kicking was good, he dealt with the Boks around the ruck well and some of his passing in open play was spot on.
Certainly no worse than the AB scrum.
Razor left him on about 15 minutes too long IMHO. We saw more bad Christie than good as the game went on
@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Well, I'm not getting into a conversation defending Christie as anything more than 4th string, but his kicking was good, he dealt with the Boks around the ruck well and some of his passing in open play was spot on.
Certainly no worse than the AB scrum.
Razor left him on about 15 minutes too long IMHO. We saw more bad Christie than good as the game went on
Fair point
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the good news is: this is as good as we have got
the bad news is: this is as good as we have got.So either we're pretty good, and last week was an aberation, and we'll win
Or last week was reality, we're average, and we'll lose.I need to stop watching with an eye on the future and just take each game as it comes. Fuck, if we win off a bullshit old school BB bounce i'll celebrate no matter how unsustainable that is.
@mariner4life the good news is you were good enough… this week.
Enjoy it.
Hope to be delivering some bad news next week. Won’t need @Victor-Meldrew worst fears coming true, just a bit more accuracy from the team playing for light, truth and justice.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
The Proctor cross kick, was Jordan calling for it?
Dunno, but the risk on it was off the scale.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
The Proctor cross kick, was Jordan calling for it?
Dunno, but the risk on it was off the scale.
Best listen to your senior players though eh.
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My Dad was at Eden Park in 1956 when the All Blacks secured that famous series. I have listened to and watched hundreds of All Blacks games with him.
He died on Tuesday.
That one was for you, Dad.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
My Dad was at Eden Park in 1956 when the All Blacks secured that famous series. I have listened to and watched hundreds of All Blacks games with him.
He died on Tuesday.
That one was for you, Dad.
Condolences Sparky. May he rest in peace.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
A lot of cracks papered over here guys.
This was not a competent performance.
Really?
We just beat, and deservedly so, the two time world champion, first, second and third best team in the world. Competent enough.
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Loving the balance of the loosies for once
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Loving the balance of the loosies for once
Parker at 6 looks to the manor born.
Wally getting back to 100.
RD at 7 hitting rucks rather than the usual seagulling.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
This is what Rassie is doing, for better or worse.
He has 3 or 4 players in every position with 30 caps each come World Cup time.
The dirty little secret of the Boks, and it will become apparent soon enough, is that the players coming through are nowhere near as good as the older guys
@Frank said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
This is what Rassie is doing, for better or worse.
He has 3 or 4 players in every position with 30 caps each come World Cup time.
The dirty little secret of the Boks, and it will become apparent soon enough, is that the players coming through are nowhere near as good as the older guys
Sounds like us after 2015
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Our scrum sucks.
They picked Vaai at lock for his scrummaging
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Our scrum sucks.
They picked Vaai at lock for his scrummaging
Barrett is world class LH lock, so they play him on TH side. Vaa'i a tried and tested TH lock, so they play him on LH.
That'll learn them.
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EdG is getting dealt to
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
EdG is getting dealt to
To me problems more on TH side, and locks.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan I’d give Rieko a rest
TBF, I though he was resting tonight.
Good trysaver he made on the line at least.
I wasn't making a big dig at Reiko.
I agree with @His-Bobness - he looks really cooked.
Yeah, there's a reason why we tend to go with youth on the wings in this country traditionally.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan I’d give Rieko a rest
TBF, I though he was resting tonight.
Good trysaver he made on the line at least.
I wasn't making a big dig at Reiko.
I agree with @His-Bobness - he looks really cooked.
Yeah, there's a reason why we tend to go with youth on the wings in this country traditionally.
Clarke should replace him now he is ready to go
Clarke left Narawa right, is better than reiko sevu
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Just as well Jordan caught Sititi's pass for his try as he has dropped every high ball.
Why have SB and Vaa'i swapped sides in the scrum? It isn't helping.
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I have no confidence for next week. Like the Argje games we started well and regressed, letting them back into the game. If they were better they would have won, and will probably beat us in Wellington next weekend
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Morning after replay thoughts.
I am very happy with tight five - we have some good depth here now.
Regarding the scrum - we should remember , we're up against world class opposition here and more than held our own - we are very rarely going to get 100% dominance in scrums against the top teams in the world and inconsistent ref calls.best starting loose trio in years -- just not sure Kirifi is the bench player I would choose.
as other have said Christie is 4th choice 9 for a reason - and considering that played well enough tonight.
we really have a depth problem at 10 -- we need to blood some talent here cos surely BB and Dmac can't be the plan for RWC27 - both are passed their best for sure.
12 13 better on D and Proctor hasn't done a lot wrong , but the combo is still very clunky on attack we need an effective combo-- I really want to see them put Jordie at 13 and Quin at 12. and see how that goes.
Happy enough with back 3 performance, however we lose very little by giving a few others ago over Rieko or Sevu.
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Ardie showed some toe there!
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Ardie showed some toe there!
Forward pass before Kolbe set off.
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Great intensity in wet, both teams play was affected by the conditions and used the conditions.
The ref was ok, he does like to make his presence felt usually.
ABs were accurate in both the 22s.
Felt Taukei’aho went well thrown in there early. Vaa’i was huge, all over the boks and just enjoyed the game by the looks.
Parker is a great wall to have at 6 and had support from both Savea and Sititi who stayed tight often.
Sititi didn’t look too bad after limited rugby, good all round at tackles, carries, metres.
Christie did well I thought for where he’s at and at this level.
BB had some nice assists on the tries which were defining, couple good kicks, couple bad.
The kicking game is here to stay between the 22s, where just not gunna be the ball in hand multi phase team until inside our 22.
Proctor had a better game, quietly went about his work, Conrad like even.
Back three went alright together, dmac secured the high ball well. Jordan was better, still missed a few, more support around this time.
Good shift from Tupaea and great try.Eden Park record secure…… but a wallaby could be hiding over the fence, ready to raid the lush green paddock
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It’s hard not to conclude that the major source of the backline’s permanent funk is BB’s late career reluctance to take on the line as he did in his pomp. In receiving the ball he’s either going to nervously shovel it out to his brother or aimlessly kick it away. This leaves the opposition secure in either monstering JB and denying him space or waiting for the shallow kick.
The AB coaches, by clinging to a past-it Beauden and refusing to engineer a succession plan, have had to design their attack around him. And that seriously constrains the entire backline.
Don’t get me wrong. He still pulls out one or two great moments per game. The early cross-field kick for Narawa’s try, the 50/22 and some of his covering defence were admirable. But compared to the BB of old he’s only intermittently great. It’s only in flashes.
The rest of the time, for a spectator, it’s like watching a concert by an octogenarian rock legend. You close your eyes willing Roger Daltrey to hit the high-note scream at the climax to ‘Won’t Get Fooled Again’ but it’s not the same. It’s pantomime Who.
I know Razor is waiting for Mo’unga to return, but this leaves the team in a permanent stasis in the meantime. It’s the Beauden Barrett tribute show - his greatest hits - on endless repeat. We know how it goes. The problem is so does the opposition.
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Shit that was a brutal scrum. We got bitched
@SouthernMann said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Shit that was a brutal scrum. We got bitched
T Williams getting monstered on hit by Louw. Suspect Ox swung his massive ass out towards touch and with PSDT attacked Lomax's chest. Parker also slipped off Lomax's right bum cheek. Real eight man effort.
