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All Blacks v Springboks I

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  • FrankF Frank

    Who does the Fern think Razor will actually select as the back three.

    I am guessing either Love, Jordan Clarke
    or
    Jordan, Narawa, Clarke

    I also think there's a chance Reiko reclaims the 13 jersey.

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    @Frank Sevu I think will remain on the right wing (not what I want) Clarke looked in good enough shape earlier today guess his selection is dependant on if Ioane moves to 13 in place of Proctor

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    • TorianT Torian

      @Frank Sevu I think will remain on the right wing (not what I want) Clarke looked in good enough shape earlier today guess his selection is dependant on if Ioane moves to 13 in place of Proctor

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      @Grooter said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

      @Frank Sevu I think will remain on the right wing (not what I want) Clarke looked in good enough shape earlier today guess his selection is dependant on if Ioane moves to 13 in place of Proctor

      I'd guess they'd choose Clarke over Ioane for wing esp given the suspected aerial bombardment but overall they'll remain conservative and yes, sigh, I think they may keep Reece. I prefer Narawa but I suspect they don't.

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        I would be all for Narawa if he could just show a bit more aggression/enthusiasm.

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        • BonesB Bones

          I would be all for Narawa if he could just show a bit more aggression/enthusiasm.

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          @Bones said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

          I would be all for Narawa if he could just show a bit more aggression/enthusiasm.

          Does give the impression of being a bit dainty and casual.

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            If it is about balancing skillsets within the current squad and what is required to play against the Boks both defensively and in attack, my back three would be

            15: J. Barrett
            14: W. Jordan
            11: C. Clarke

            This has the best chance of attacking the midfield bombs whilst still covering the back when they do. It has the running game to challenge the Boks defence which has been shown up to be porous against the Aussies.

            But back to reality…..

            I would like to see a change in the midfield but not necessarily Jordie. I think Razor needs to get Jordie and Quinn together.

            Narawa is decent in the air but needs to up his workrate.

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            • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

              If it is about balancing skillsets within the current squad and what is required to play against the Boks both defensively and in attack, my back three would be

              15: J. Barrett
              14: W. Jordan
              11: C. Clarke

              This has the best chance of attacking the midfield bombs whilst still covering the back when they do. It has the running game to challenge the Boks defence which has been shown up to be porous against the Aussies.

              But back to reality…..

              I would like to see a change in the midfield but not necessarily Jordie. I think Razor needs to get Jordie and Quinn together.

              Narawa is decent in the air but needs to up his workrate.

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              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

              If it is about balancing skillsets within the current squad and what is required to play against the Boks both defensively and in attack, my back three would be

              15: J. Barrett
              14: W. Jordan
              11: C. Clarke

              This has the best chance of attacking the midfield bombs whilst still covering the back when they do. It has the running game to challenge the Boks defence which has been shown up to be porous against the Aussies.

              But back to reality…..

              I would like to see a change in the midfield but not necessarily Jordie. I think Razor needs to get Jordie and Quinn together.

              Narawa is decent in the air but needs to up his workrate.

              Who would you play in the midfield with that back three?

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              • FrankF Frank

                @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                If it is about balancing skillsets within the current squad and what is required to play against the Boks both defensively and in attack, my back three would be

                15: J. Barrett
                14: W. Jordan
                11: C. Clarke

                This has the best chance of attacking the midfield bombs whilst still covering the back when they do. It has the running game to challenge the Boks defence which has been shown up to be porous against the Aussies.

                But back to reality…..

                I would like to see a change in the midfield but not necessarily Jordie. I think Razor needs to get Jordie and Quinn together.

                Narawa is decent in the air but needs to up his workrate.

                Who would you play in the midfield with that back three?

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                @Frank said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                If it is about balancing skillsets within the current squad and what is required to play against the Boks both defensively and in attack, my back three would be

                15: J. Barrett
                14: W. Jordan
                11: C. Clarke

                This has the best chance of attacking the midfield bombs whilst still covering the back when they do. It has the running game to challenge the Boks defence which has been shown up to be porous against the Aussies.

                But back to reality…..

                I would like to see a change in the midfield but not necessarily Jordie. I think Razor needs to get Jordie and Quinn together.

                Narawa is decent in the air but needs to up his workrate.

                Who would you play in the midfield with that back three?

                The trade off would be retaining Proctor and having Quinn at 2nd 5.

                No time like the present Razor.

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                  #233

                  Or Jordie QT midfield.
                  Wings Jordan, Clarke and Love fullback.
                  I would go with this combination

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                    #234

                    I think Jordan is equally effective at wing or fullback.
                    Love deserves a chance

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                      I dunno whether QT can defend that well at 13, I've never really felt comfortable with him there for the Chiefs.

                      He has played there on occasion, and he does likely have the speed to defend the outside there, but he's a traditional 12 in my eyes and I'm not sure that extra space would really suit his game.

                      . It could be a bit of a Bernie selection though if he was moved there and really flourished. It would also make him very useful as we really don't have any midfielders comfortable at 12 and 13 - that's essentially why ALB is still pretty much undroppable as a squaddie.

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                      • gt12G gt12

                        I dunno whether QT can defend that well at 13, I've never really felt comfortable with him there for the Chiefs.

                        He has played there on occasion, and he does likely have the speed to defend the outside there, but he's a traditional 12 in my eyes and I'm not sure that extra space would really suit his game.

                        . It could be a bit of a Bernie selection though if he was moved there and really flourished. It would also make him very useful as we really don't have any midfielders comfortable at 12 and 13 - that's essentially why ALB is still pretty much undroppable as a squaddie.

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                        @gt12 said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

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                        . It could be a bit of a Bernie selection though if he was moved there and really flourished. It would also make him very useful as we really don't have any midfielders comfortable at 12 and 13 - that's essentially why ALB is still pretty much undroppable as a squaddie.

                        I'm not sure if that is your opinion or your view hof the coaches, but I personally think ALB is no longer enough of a useful glue player at 12 or 13, no longer safe enough, speedy enough or sharp enough...

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                          #237

                          I'd go:

                          11 Caleb Clarke
                          14 Will Jordan
                          15 Ruben Love

                          But I think we'll see the same back 3 as against Argentina.

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                          • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                            @gt12 said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                            .
                            . It could be a bit of a Bernie selection though if he was moved there and really flourished. It would also make him very useful as we really don't have any midfielders comfortable at 12 and 13 - that's essentially why ALB is still pretty much undroppable as a squaddie.

                            I'm not sure if that is your opinion or your view hof the coaches, but I personally think ALB is no longer enough of a useful glue player at 12 or 13, no longer safe enough, speedy enough or sharp enough...

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                            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                            @gt12 said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                            .
                            . It could be a bit of a Bernie selection though if he was moved there and really flourished. It would also make him very useful as we really don't have any midfielders comfortable at 12 and 13 - that's essentially why ALB is still pretty much undroppable as a squaddie.

                            I'm not sure if that is your opinion or your view hof the coaches, but I personally think ALB is no longer enough of a useful glue player at 12 or 13, no longer safe enough, speedy enough or sharp enough...

                            ALB has turned into a penalty / YC magnet so I'm not sure I'd select him, but I'm not sure there is another player in NZ who can easily shift midfield positions (probably only Lam would be the only real option), so I can see why the coaches may like keeping him around.

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                            • gt12G gt12

                              @nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                              @gt12 said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                              .
                              . It could be a bit of a Bernie selection though if he was moved there and really flourished. It would also make him very useful as we really don't have any midfielders comfortable at 12 and 13 - that's essentially why ALB is still pretty much undroppable as a squaddie.

                              I'm not sure if that is your opinion or your view hof the coaches, but I personally think ALB is no longer enough of a useful glue player at 12 or 13, no longer safe enough, speedy enough or sharp enough...

                              ALB has turned into a penalty / YC magnet so I'm not sure I'd select him, but I'm not sure there is another player in NZ who can easily shift midfield positions (probably only Lam would be the only real option), so I can see why the coaches may like keeping him around.

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                              @gt12 said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                              ALB has turned into a penalty / YC magnet so I'm not sure I'd select him, but I'm not sure there is another player in NZ who can easily shift midfield positions (probably only Lam would be the only real option), so I can see why the coaches may like keeping him around.

                              I totally agree. Cards and alternatives. Lam doesn't have the experience, especially at 13, but I thought he deserved more of a chance. My guess is they see him as a 12 and 12 is a bit of a logjam at the moment. I'd have thought he'd go ok at 13 but I haven't seen him play there.

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                                pakman
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                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360807594/timoci-tavatavanawai-ruled-out-rugby-championship-cam-roigard-miss-another-month

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                                  #241

                                  Not having Clarke is a big risk as he looked pretty sharp yesterday. With rain forecasted there's going to be plenty of contestable kicking from Williams and Pollard, and the game will be a little bit slower which would have suited Clarke after a long layoff.

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                                    Yip why not play Clarke? Giving him another chance to pick up an injury at NPC....

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                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360807594/timoci-tavatavanawai-ruled-out-rugby-championship-cam-roigard-miss-another-month

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                                      @pakman said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360807594/timoci-tavatavanawai-ruled-out-rugby-championship-cam-roigard-miss-another-month

                                      Could have done with seeing Tavatavanawai start in one of the 5 games we played already this year.

                                      For god sake.

                                      Released to NPC to get injured.

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                                        @pakman said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360807594/timoci-tavatavanawai-ruled-out-rugby-championship-cam-roigard-miss-another-month

                                        Could have done with seeing Tavatavanawai start in one of the 5 games we played already this year.

                                        For god sake.

                                        Released to NPC to get injured.

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                                        @Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                        Released to NPC to get injured.

                                        Aren't we all complaining players should all be playing NPC not put in cotton wool?

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                                          Lomax hasn't played at all but he gets selected, while Clarke at least had a game and looked fairly decent yet he's been left out. It doesn't add up. Wouldn't bet against an unchanged backline again. Looks like there will be a party at Tony Brown's place this Saturday.

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