Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)

kiwiinmelb

I think unorodox tactics like playing two 7s , can be a good surprise tactic , 
But once you do it quite a few times it's no longer a surprise tactic 
Bit like opening the bowling with Dipak Patel , you have to know when enough is enough .

mariner4life

Is Michael Hooper actually a good test match player? He's quick, but he's not very effective, and he fucks their lineout. Pocock is good for a couple of defending turnovers a game to save points, but what does he create? And he fucks their lineout. Fardy gives away too many penalties, and is an ordinary carrier, but at least he can win a lineout. McCalman was very disappointing. 
 
Simmons can run a lineout, can apparently push in a scrum, but is effective as wet tissue around the track. Douglas is well under done.
 
The biggest problem for Aus is, even if they make the same observations as me, what do they do about it? They've got nothing to come in.

booboo

Given you say Pocock and Hoopah fuck their lineout then playing bith doubly fuck it. Play one and get some height in the loosies. 
Play Skelton. Adds bulk and some go forward. 
Does he jump though? And does that contradict my first point?

Chris B.

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I wouldn't blame the captain but the forwards esp Moore and Foley. Foley, were you playing? Certainly not playmaking. I thought Foley was going to be a decent international 10 for the Wallabies last year, now not so convinced.
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I think Foley is a good player, but it's a damn sight harder to make play when you're going backwards. 
 
That was a brutal game - as shown by the injury toll - but the All Blacks just continued smashing into it and the Wallabies got out-muscled and wilted.
 
I think Mick's earlier point about most of their team having had very little game time is pertinent - as is Chieka's point about attitude. But it must be pretty intimidating to play against the ABs when they're in that sort of "take no prisoners" mode.
 
ACT - they probably need to abandoned the two opensiders theory, which never works in the long run - Pocock, Fardy and McCalman to start - Hooper on the bench. Give Pocock the captaincy.

Hooroo

Sorry if I am just repeating what has been said but I was astonished at how good our ball skills were and how they kept it alive without fumbling.
 
We can bang on about how bad Aussie were but I would rather bang on about how effective the All Blacks were. From 1-23 (did everyone get on?) that was a complete performance for me.
 
People I like more and more as I see them play for the AB's are as follows:
 
Crotty
Fekitoa
Kaino (renewed love)
 
Finally, so much 'credit' has to be given to Coles for his performance. That was outstanding and he admitted that he was more worried about his lungs than his injury. My man love for him increased 100 fold when he said in his interview that he had to go into some pretty dark places to get himself through.

Nepia

Foxtel can go eat a dick. After not recording both the RC matches on Saturday night/Sunday morning (but somehow managing to record the Warriors) and then not having an replays on Sunday I found a highlight package to record. Go to watch it, but, no rugby, instead half of it is an interview with Dean Jones and the other half if is darts. :mad1:

NTA

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The biggest problem for Aus is, even if they make the same observations as me, what do they do about it? They've got nothing to come in. 
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There is little point making wholesale changes. This team isn't great, but has performed far better in the past. Guys like Douglas and Genia hadn't played since last year or early this year. Throwing them around club rugby (or Subbies) for a couple of weeks probably would have been a better option than running a Wallaby camp. Game time is important.
 
In any case, the change isn't going to be coming any time soon. Not while our grassroots is so completely fucked up, particularly in NSW where the hierarchy can't decide which direction to go, and don't have the political power to implement anything anyway.
 
Too many chiefs in Australian Rugby, not enough Indians.

Tim

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Foxtel can go eat a dick. After not recording both the RC matches on Saturday night/Sunday morning (but somehow managing to record the Warriors) and then not having an replays on Sunday I found a highlight package to record. Go to watch it, but, no rugby, instead half of it is an interview with Dean Jones and the other half if is darts. :mad1:
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Reddit Rugby Union is a useful place to check:
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/4ysfsa/2016_trc_r1_australia_vs_new_zealand/'>https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/4ysfsa/2016_trc_r1_australia_vs_new_zealand/</a>

NTA

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Foxtel can go eat a dick. After not recording both the RC matches on Saturday night/Sunday morning (but somehow managing to record the Warriors) and then not having an replays on Sunday I found a highlight package to record. Go to watch it, but, no rugby, instead half of it is an interview with Dean Jones and the other half if is darts. :mad1:
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You can watch full replays on foxsports.com.au apparently. Depending on which version of our third world internet you have, of course :)

MN5

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Foxtel can go eat a dick. After not recording both the RC matches on Saturday night/Sunday morning (but somehow managing to record the Warriors) and then not having an replays on Sunday I found a highlight package to record. Go to watch it, but, no rugby, instead half of it is an interview with Dean Jones and the other half if is darts. :mad1:
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Awesome.
 
I love cricket AND darts.

Nepia

Tim, NTA - cheers, but I want to watch the replay in HD on a big screen.
 
What is weird is that I can watch full replays of all the NPC matches this weekend.

Provincial Stalwart

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There is little point making wholesale changes. This team isn't great, but has performed far better in the past. Guys like Douglas and Genia hadn't played since last year or early this year. Throwing them around club rugby (or Subbies) for a couple of weeks probably would have been a better option than running a Wallaby camp. Game time is important.
 
In any case, the change isn't going to be coming any time soon. Not while our grassroots is so completely fucked up, particularly in NSW where the hierarchy can't decide which direction to go, and don't have the political power to implement anything anyway.
 
Too many chiefs in Australian Rugby, not enough Indians.
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Yep, playing some footy...any footy...would have been a better strategy. Even if it the team having a hitout was against the Tallebudgera Over 35s. Did they play a "practice" game or anything like that? Presume the NRC teams would be assembled and ready to give the team a run.
 
Weeks and weeks in camp seem to be counterproductive. They got three weeks in camp before the Lions in 2013 (while the Lions played their warm-up games against SR teams sans Wallabies) and that ended badly.

NTA

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They got three weeks in camp before the Lions in 2013 (while the Lions played their warm-up games against SR teams sans Wallabies) and that ended badly.
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Not as badly as this, to be fair. And playing a NOT flyhalf at flyhalf.

Provincial Stalwart

Yeah, in the first test in 2013 they were a shitty Brisbane deck away from winning. Kurtley (?) looked like he was kicking that final goal in a Louisiana bayou.

Marty

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Is Michael Hoopah actually a good test match player? He's quick, but he's not very effective, and he fucks their lineout. Pocock is good for a couple of defending turnovers a game to save points, but what does he create? And he fucks their lineout. Fardy gives away too many penalties, and is an ordinary carrier, but at least he can win a lineout. McCalman was very disappointing. 
 
Simmons can run a lineout, can apparently push in a scrum, but is effective as wet tissue around the track. Douglas is well under done.
 
The biggest problem for Aus is, even if they make the same observations as me, what do they do about it? They've got nothing to come in. 
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The sight of Hoopah being hoisted in the lineout put me in mind of dwarf tossing.
 
I feel sorry for Pocock, he must have achieved 5-6 ruck turnovers in that match but his colleagues were way too slow in their decision making to make anything of it.

No Quarter

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The sight of Hoopah being hoisted in the lineout put me in mind of dwarf tossing.
 
I feel sorry for Pocock, he must have achieved 5-6 ruck turnovers in that match but his colleagues were way too slow in their decision making to make anything of it.
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Those turnovers were great, he is without a doubt the best there has ever been at that. You put some big munters at 6 & 8 and you've got far more balance. I don't rate Hooper at test level, he's far more suited to Super rugby. A bit like Adam Thomson, just doesn't handle the increased physicality of test footy.

KiwiMurph

Hoopah would be better suited to coming off the bench to provide some impact in the second half...and McMahon is probably better suited than Hoopah at that.

mariner4life

Actually, Adam Thompson is a great comparison. Except Adam could jump in a lineout...

Rancid Schnitzel

As I understand it, Pocock can't be captain because of his conviction for hugging mining equipment. Just on him, his ability to pilfer the pill is second to none. But he does sweet FA else. He obviously can't be used in the lineout and offers zero with the ball in hand. Our props are probably more dangerous with the ball that he is. Even Franks.
 
I think the most positive thing is that they can only get better. That was the shittiest Aus display since the dark days of Greg Smith. Foley can be world class on his day, but can also have some horrible Barry Crockers.
 
Ultimately if they actually select a proper 8 who can also be used in the lineout and Foley and the backs get their shit together then they could still be an outside chance next week. I can't see the ABs backing that up. That first half was arguably the best half of rugby from an AB team. In terms of tactics and execution it was absolutely farking sublime. Reckon they would have cracked 60 if Crotty had stayed on and Barrett stayed at 10.

NTA

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. I can't see the ABs backing that up. That first half was arguably the best half of rugby from an AB team. In terms of tactics and execution it was absolutely farking sublime. Reckon they would have cracked 60 if Crotty had stayed on and Barrett stayed at 10.
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The form this week will be interesting. Still haven't seen it, but listening to others it seemed like the execution was top notch, and the complete inverse of what the Wallabies did.
 
So if the Wallabies lift and the ABs don't quite get to those heights next week, it'll probably look a lot better. That's why its important to give the majority of our starting lineup another crack: redemption.

The Silver Fern

Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)