B&I Lions 2017
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@Bones I bow to your superior knowledge as I haven't seen much of either Cane or Savea. What I have seen of Savea though (admittedly not a lot more than a cameo), was him zipping all over the park, popping up everywhere and carrying in the wider channels. Cane and a comparison to a latter day McCaw would be good enough for me!
@Catogrande Don't forget Todd either, who's a hybrid between the 2...
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@Catogrande The ABs have not played a style that expects the 7 to be an out and out scavenger for a long time. Most will have that skill as part of their arsenal (and some are more effective than others) but instead everyone on the field is expected to identify a steal opportunity and have the skill to execute it. The key being in the identification of the opportunity.
The idea is that no one wastes time or invites an unnecessary penalty by going for a jackal that they can't complete legally.
With 7 having the higher number of times being in the first 2 to the breakdown they will get the chance more often than others but then again one of our better players on the steal is BBBR.
The key for the Lions is to pick loosies that, on attack, can secure the ball (easy to do if playing a hit it up game close in, harder to do if playing an open game) and on defence will be enough of a nuisance as to legally slow down the recycle.
It will depend a lot on the style Gatland wants. As soon as the Lions look to move wide they need the more mobile loosies, if playing a tighter game they need the heavy hitters.
If the ABs secure ball then the Lions defensively will need guys that will be able to chase around the park. -
@Catogrande The ABs have not played a style that expects the 7 to be an out and out scavenger for a long time. Most will have that skill as part of their arsenal (and some are more effective than others) but instead everyone on the field is expected to identify a steal opportunity and have the skill to execute it. The key being in the identification of the opportunity.
The idea is that no one wastes time or invites an unnecessary penalty by going for a jackal that they can't complete legally.
With 7 having the higher number of times being in the first 2 to the breakdown they will get the chance more often than others but then again one of our better players on the steal is BBBR.
The key for the Lions is to pick loosies that, on attack, can secure the ball (easy to do if playing a hit it up game close in, harder to do if playing an open game) and on defence will be enough of a nuisance as to legally slow down the recycle.
It will depend a lot on the style Gatland wants. As soon as the Lions look to move wide they need the more mobile loosies, if playing a tighter game they need the heavy hitters.
If the ABs secure ball then the Lions defensively will need guys that will be able to chase around the park.@Crucial Yeah, no-one seems to go for an out and out jackal these days save for Aus (and now Scotland), but your boys have shown a bit more nous on the floor than ours (BILS in this instance). So much so that I fear for our ability to compete in this area. We have a few that are pretty good over the ball Warburton, itoje for instance, but you're right it is the ability for the whole pack to play that game at the right time.
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@Crucial Yeah, no-one seems to go for an out and out jackal these days save for Aus (and now Scotland), but your boys have shown a bit more nous on the floor than ours (BILS in this instance). So much so that I fear for our ability to compete in this area. We have a few that are pretty good over the ball Warburton, itoje for instance, but you're right it is the ability for the whole pack to play that game at the right time.
@Catogrande Itoje won't be able to get too many steals from the sin bin anyway....
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@Catogrande Itoje won't be able to get too many steals from the sin bin anyway....
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@Bones Strange comment, I can't remember a single Test yellow card for Itoje? He's certainly not known for them.
@SimonAdd_2 Not so strange if ya watched the 6N, he was very, very lucky not to see card (s). High tackles and high cleans galore, it was rather oddly ignored. Which probably isn't a good thing for the BIL, as I guess he won't be looking to curtail that...
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@SimonAdd_2 Not so strange if ya watched the 6N, he was very, very lucky not to see card (s). High tackles and high cleans galore, it was rather oddly ignored. Which probably isn't a good thing for the BIL, as I guess he won't be looking to curtail that...
@Bones Nice try, I'm not being dragged into another high tackle debate on here!
Re: Warburton, @MiketheSnow touches on an interesting point. Do the Lions need a backrow lineout option? If so, a lot of the backrow combinations being posited would be ruled out. Personally, I'd go for O'Mahony-O'Brien-Vunipola, with Faletau on the bench.
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@Bones Nice try, I'm not being dragged into another high tackle debate on here!
Re: Warburton, @MiketheSnow touches on an interesting point. Do the Lions need a backrow lineout option? If so, a lot of the backrow combinations being posited would be ruled out. Personally, I'd go for O'Mahony-O'Brien-Vunipola, with Faletau on the bench.
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bones Nice try, I'm not being dragged into another high tackle debate on here!
Re: Warburton, @MiketheSnow touches on an interesting point. Do the Lions need a backrow lineout option? If so, a lot of the backrow combinations being posited would be ruled out. Personally, I'd go for O'Mahony-O'Brien-Vunipola, with Faletau on the bench.
Depending on the lifters, Warburton is more than capable in the lineout. Tipuric too.
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@Bones Nice try, I'm not being dragged into another high tackle debate on here!
Re: Warburton, @MiketheSnow touches on an interesting point. Do the Lions need a backrow lineout option? If so, a lot of the backrow combinations being posited would be ruled out. Personally, I'd go for O'Mahony-O'Brien-Vunipola, with Faletau on the bench.
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
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@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
All we'll have to do is run DMac at him as a sacrificial ploy.
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If Gatland wants a more specialist 7, then I'd be picking vdF or Dan Leavy before O'Brien.
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@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
All we'll have to do is run DMac at him as a sacrificial ploy.
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
All we'll have to do is run DMac at him as a sacrificial ploy.
Kolisi wrapped his forearm around DMac's head and Peyper was super quick to brush it off and simply claim McKenzie fell into it.
Peyper will ref one of the tests too. Although he might not be so lenient if the offender is a different nationality to himself.....
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@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
Talk on the Scottish Rugby sites is how it would be great for loads of Scots to miss out on the ultimate honour in British rugby just so they have a strong team for the Oz tour. They all know Hogg is a shoe in but they hope the Grays, Seymour etc miss out.
Such loser talk. No wonder Scots Rugby has been fucked for so long.
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@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
Talk on the Scottish Rugby sites is how it would be great for loads of Scots to miss out on the ultimate honour in British rugby just so they have a strong team for the Oz tour. They all know Hogg is a shoe in but they hope the Grays, Seymour etc miss out.
Such loser talk. No wonder Scots Rugby has been fucked for so long.
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
Talk on the Scottish Rugby sites is how it would be great for loads of Scots to miss out on the ultimate honour in British rugby just so they have a strong team for the Oz tour. They all know Hogg is a shoe in but they hope the Grays, Seymour etc miss out.
Such loser talk. No wonder Scots Rugby has been fucked for so long.
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@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
Talk on the Scottish Rugby sites is how it would be great for loads of Scots to miss out on the ultimate honour in British rugby just so they have a strong team for the Oz tour. They all know Hogg is a shoe in but they hope the Grays, Seymour etc miss out.
Such loser talk. No wonder Scots Rugby has been fucked for so long.
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@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
Talk on the Scottish Rugby sites is how it would be great for loads of Scots to miss out on the ultimate honour in British rugby just so they have a strong team for the Oz tour. They all know Hogg is a shoe in but they hope the Grays, Seymour etc miss out.
Such loser talk. No wonder Scots Rugby has been fucked for so long.
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
Talk on the Scottish Rugby sites is how it would be great for loads of Scots to miss out on the ultimate honour in British rugby just so they have a strong team for the Oz tour. They all know Hogg is a shoe in but they hope the Grays, Seymour etc miss out.
Such loser talk. No wonder Scots Rugby has been fucked for so long.
A dose of resigned reality and fans getting their silver lining lined up ahead of time?
In the last 4 Lions tours Scotland have had a grand total of 11 players selected.One of the more successful Lions tours to NZ (93) had a very good Scots contingent though so maybe Gatland will be missing a trick if he focuses on those south of the wall and across the Irish sea
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@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
Talk on the Scottish Rugby sites is how it would be great for loads of Scots to miss out on the ultimate honour in British rugby just so they have a strong team for the Oz tour. They all know Hogg is a shoe in but they hope the Grays, Seymour etc miss out.
Such loser talk. No wonder Scots Rugby has been fucked for so long.
A dose of resigned reality and fans getting their silver lining lined up ahead of time?
In the last 4 Lions tours Scotland have had a grand total of 11 players selected.One of the more successful Lions tours to NZ (93) had a very good Scots contingent though so maybe Gatland will be missing a trick if he focuses on those south of the wall and across the Irish sea
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
Talk on the Scottish Rugby sites is how it would be great for loads of Scots to miss out on the ultimate honour in British rugby just so they have a strong team for the Oz tour. They all know Hogg is a shoe in but they hope the Grays, Seymour etc miss out.
Such loser talk. No wonder Scots Rugby has been fucked for so long.
A dose of resigned reality and fans getting their silver lining lined up ahead of time?
In the last 4 Lions tours Scotland have had a grand total of 11 players selected.One of the more successful Lions tours to NZ (93) had a very good Scots contingent though so maybe Gatland will be missing a trick if he focuses on those south of the wall and across the Irish sea
Aside from the Hastings brothers, the Scots that toured in 93 were pretty much a let down. Though Andy Nichol did OK as a replacement. The tight 5 forwards were an embarrassment.
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@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
Talk on the Scottish Rugby sites is how it would be great for loads of Scots to miss out on the ultimate honour in British rugby just so they have a strong team for the Oz tour. They all know Hogg is a shoe in but they hope the Grays, Seymour etc miss out.
Such loser talk. No wonder Scots Rugby has been fucked for so long.
A dose of resigned reality and fans getting their silver lining lined up ahead of time?
In the last 4 Lions tours Scotland have had a grand total of 11 players selected.One of the more successful Lions tours to NZ (93) had a very good Scots contingent though so maybe Gatland will be missing a trick if he focuses on those south of the wall and across the Irish sea
Aside from the Hastings brothers, the Scots that toured in 93 were pretty much a let down. Though Andy Nichol did OK as a replacement. The tight 5 forwards were an embarrassment.
@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@SimonAdd_2 No need for debate - it's a definite trend from him and unless they take him aside to work on it, I'd put money on him seeing at least a yellow at some stage during the tour. Just ask Stuart Hogg....
Talk on the Scottish Rugby sites is how it would be great for loads of Scots to miss out on the ultimate honour in British rugby just so they have a strong team for the Oz tour. They all know Hogg is a shoe in but they hope the Grays, Seymour etc miss out.
Such loser talk. No wonder Scots Rugby has been fucked for so long.
A dose of resigned reality and fans getting their silver lining lined up ahead of time?
In the last 4 Lions tours Scotland have had a grand total of 11 players selected.One of the more successful Lions tours to NZ (93) had a very good Scots contingent though so maybe Gatland will be missing a trick if he focuses on those south of the wall and across the Irish sea
Aside from the Hastings brothers, the Scots that toured in 93 were pretty much a let down. Though Andy Nichol did OK as a replacement. The tight 5 forwards were an embarrassment.
Ah, but it's all about the intangibles that the Scots bring to the touring group, not the playing abilities
Joking aside there is probably a little truth in this. Not sure if you have been to the shaky isles but Scots would feel far more comfortable here than the English. We have a more similar connection in attitudes, habits etc.
I know I feel more 'at home' when in Scotland than in England despite having a pommy mother and having spent more time living in England than Scotland.
