B&I Lions 2017
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@raznomore copped another huge suspension this year for foul play. Deemed too risky I guess.
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@raznomore copped another huge suspension this year for foul play. Deemed too risky I guess.
@KiwiMurph said in B&I Lions 2017:
@raznomore copped another huge suspension this year for foul play. Deemed too risky I guess.
A quota on the number of NZ born players?
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@raznomore copped another huge suspension this year for foul play. Deemed too risky I guess.
@KiwiMurph see hes a guy you pick just because of that. Its a huge fucken squad so they can risk it. You want a guy that is a loose cannon, a grub, but also somehow manages to get the team together. I hate Hartley but a record run and a 6N under his belt and watch warrants selection.
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No Launchbury astounds me
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@KiwiMurph see hes a guy you pick just because of that. Its a huge fucken squad so they can risk it. You want a guy that is a loose cannon, a grub, but also somehow manages to get the team together. I hate Hartley but a record run and a 6N under his belt and watch warrants selection.
@raznomore I agree. To win this series Lions I feel have to take some chances. He just captained a test series sweep in the Southern Hemisphere.
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@Catogrande Zebo should also be on the unlucky list
@RVader Good call. I'd forgotten about him. But of course, Gatland has not shown any fondness for X Factor type players.
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I think the issue with Hartley is they see him as a good player if he's starting, but not a good tourist as 3rd choice. IE Owens or Best are ahead of him to start & George far better off the bench, so then its "would Hartley be a good 3rd string tourist?" and the feeling is no, no he wouldn't. Whereas Owens would take it OK & turn up for the dirt trackers.
A lot of Lions tours have turned to custard mid-week because the 3rd string guys are used to being the big cheese & toss their toys.
Launchbury is unlucky, but you could point to the fact that but for injuries to Kruis & Robshaw he wouldn't have started a single 6 Nations game so it sort of reverts. And in terms of the game to disrupt the AB's Lawes probably showed more for England in the 6 Nations.
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@raznomore I'd say just not quite good enough anymore, plus all the disciplinary baggage.
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I think the issue with Hartley is they see him as a good player if he's starting, but not a good tourist as 3rd choice. IE Owens or Best are ahead of him to start & George far better off the bench, so then its "would Hartley be a good 3rd string tourist?" and the feeling is no, no he wouldn't. Whereas Owens would take it OK & turn up for the dirt trackers.
A lot of Lions tours have turned to custard mid-week because the 3rd string guys are used to being the big cheese & toss their toys.
Launchbury is unlucky, but you could point to the fact that but for injuries to Kruis & Robshaw he wouldn't have started a single 6 Nations game so it sort of reverts. And in terms of the game to disrupt the AB's Lawes probably showed more for England in the 6 Nations.
On Hartley I don't think that's the case at all. By all accounts he's a good bloke off the pitch, humble etc. He'd be absolutely fine as a dirt tracker, can't remember him moaning too much about periods of non selection. Even for Northampton where he's been out of favour at various points.
For me, he's not going because he's not one of the three best hookers in Britain and Ireland at the moment. He starts for England because he's captain and there's not a huge amount of leadership experience. That's less of an issue with this squad
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@KiwiMurph said in B&I Lions 2017:
So who would be the favourite to captain the midweekers?
Best, Jones and O'Mahony are captains. Maybe one of these three.
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@KiwiMurph said in B&I Lions 2017:
So who would be the favourite to captain the midweekers?
Best, Jones and O'Mahony are captains. Maybe one of these three.
@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
@KiwiMurph said in B&I Lions 2017:
So who would be the favourite to captain the midweekers?
Best, Jones and O'Mahony are captains. Maybe one of these three.
Not that I think you're wrong but Best and Jones have been touted by many as test starters.
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@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
@KiwiMurph said in B&I Lions 2017:
So who would be the favourite to captain the midweekers?
Best, Jones and O'Mahony are captains. Maybe one of these three.
Not that I think you're wrong but Best and Jones have been touted by many as test starters.
@Catogrande I'd have O'Mahony in the Test XV. All 3 of those would be either starting or on the bench for me.
Ben Young has captained Leicester before I think. Could be an option? We're actually quite light on midweek leaders.
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@Catogrande I'd have O'Mahony in the Test XV. All 3 of those would be either starting or on the bench for me.
Ben Young has captained Leicester before I think. Could be an option? We're actually quite light on midweek leaders.
Are either of the Irish locks known as good leaders? Both very good players likely to be victims of the depth in that position.
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@Catogrande I'd have O'Mahony in the Test XV. All 3 of those would be either starting or on the bench for me.
Ben Young has captained Leicester before I think. Could be an option? We're actually quite light on midweek leaders.
@SimonAdd_2 O'Mahoney is certainly good enough but it is a position of great depth. You could easily make a case for SOB, Warburton, Stander, itoje, Henderson or Moriarty over O'Mahoney as a 6.
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Are either of the Irish locks known as good leaders? Both very good players likely to be victims of the depth in that position.
@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
Are either of the Irish locks known as good leaders? Both very good players likely to be victims of the depth in that position.
Only one lock in Henderson and not a leader in my view.
O'Mahony would be a great midweek leader. Gnarly, snarly, tough, perma-Munster bitter, uncompromising and slightly mad.
Oh and he can play rugby too, apparently.
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Oops!
@Pot-Hale
There's going to be some shut for that.
