The Silver Fern

@Chris

You could add pretty much every player to the list based on your "criteria" - to single out these players is odd.

Great last line - I hope you talk to your colleagues like that.

Non

@Chris

The mon Crusader ABs that didn't display Crusader virtues...

@Chris

Perhaps name them - there were a fair few non Crusaders who in my view (this season) put in great shifts.

@george33

The Canes better get well comped.

@xman

Holland was already gone before then according to what I have been told.

@Chris

Are you referring to only the 25 non Crusaders players?

@Virgil

To me Potts was thrown under the bus. No long format cricket since forever.

I inadvertently managed it.

Yes - only if you think his batting justified 6. He had newbies and others who didn't open for their County. Looking at England's balls bowled vs innings Stokes (apologies - I can't post it but google etc) bowled less than Acher and his other opening bowlers (as mentioned above who weren't openers or were test newbies). Sure he batted 6 but I don't think his results there justified not bowling more in key moments.

@mariner4life

At my quick glance Stokes bowled less balls per innings than Archer/Carse (I may be wrong). He was better equipped to open than Potts/Carse/Tongue etc but opted out.

No one denies Stokes' effort but as said I think he left the heavy lifting to others and picked his moments.

@mariner4life

From my English mates - Baz etc fired the fielding coach as he sent through too many plans etc. Here is my mate's message below - like me a fan who follows his team so take it as you will -

No fielding coach. No wicket keeping practice. No reserve keeper. No pink ball practice. No alternative opener. Bryson Carse doesn’t open for his county. We’ve lost to their second string bowling attack. He should be resigning.

@mariner4life

Stokes - times his bowling entry - most heavy lifting is done by others.

@African-Monkey

I'm not having a go. Auckland FC turned up 2 minutes ago - the Blues/Auckland rugby crowds were poor before then.

@reprobate
Soz - my belated point.

@Victor-Meldrew

But you couldn't have imagined Foster (assuming he did it all) doing this 2 yeara in to his reign?

@Victor-Meldrew
Maybe it's more nuanced - there is an issue - they understand that and perhaps a go again with a diff staff gives them more longevity.

The SumCap director has been largely responsible for making Para Plim profitable and (for them) successful. That same discipline will be brought to the Hurricanes.

Hurricanes' ffs.

See Hurricane's latest news - I'm too incompetent to try and link it.