All Blacks v Argentina I

[taniwharugby]

@mariner4life has a captain of the ABs ever been dropped cos he got injured and the replacements stepped up?

Not saying it is right or wrong, but I cant see any coach do that, hopefully conversations are being had about the possibility if form doesn't improve.

[ShaquilleOatmeal]

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

If Scooter is fully fit then he will play. But I would like us to get used to playing with more size which I think is the goal. So for me it’s Patty T on the bench even with Vaa’i at 6.

We didn’t see it against France and I think available personnel influenced it but I still think a 6/2 is on the cards at some point in this RC.

My ideal bench is:

Hooker
LHP
THP
Lock
Big loosie
Quick breakdown attacking loosie
Halfback
Back 10/15 type.

Ardie covering 12

I’m not opposed to a 6/2 split if they find the right players but Robertson seems reluctant and I get the feeling they’re looking for an impact midfield back on the bench in addition to the halfback and first five/fullback cover.

I also agree about wanting the forward pack to be bigger overall but the way to achieve that is to find a larger openside and/or eight, and they seem to be reluctant there too. Just look at the loose forwards in the squad and how often they get two of the smaller players on field together.

[booboo]

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

Barrett had been carrying an injury, possibly limiting his play.
That being said, Holland and Patty T are a very powerful combo and if Scooter can't surpass them, then Ardie should be captain. There should be no favors.

I upvoted because I agree. But think a fully fit Scooter should start.

But would not be averse to subbing him.

[booboo]

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

Ardie covering 12

You been on The Fern long?

[ACT Crusader]

@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

Ardie covering 12

You been on The Fern long?

I’m new around here and guess what I just discovered chrome last week

[booboo]

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

@booboo Hey you copied my homework.

Appears I did.

But making some minor changes:

16 Taukei'aho
17 Norris
18 Tosi
19 Tuipolutu
20 ParkerFinau
21 Christie
22 Beaudie/DMac
22 Tupaea Tavatavanawai (I googled ... )

Parker staying back for NPC, so perhaps gets a go in second game.

Jim is a closer match for Jordie at 12 while covering wing. Rieko (googled) covers 13.

[pakman]

My 23:

1 - EDG
2 - Codie Taylor
3 - Newell
4 - Scooter
5 - Vaa’i
6 - Finau
7 - Kirifi
8 - Savea

9 - Ratima
10 -DMac
11 - Ioane
12 - Jordie
13 - Proctor
14 - Jordan
15 - BB

Bench Norris/Sami/Tosi/Sititi/Lock/Christie/Tupea/Narewa

Locks tricky. If Sccoter hundy he starts at 4. Otherwise Patty T.

Vaa’i or Holland at 5, both can play 80.

But I want impact at 55. For me Patty T is ideal for that. At some point we should try Holland coming on for 30 minutes of hard yards. Useful to have another impact option.

One option is play Vaa’i for 55, at which point he moves to 6.

Working out the best approach to 4/5/6 should be a big objective in Pumas matches.

[ShaquilleOatmeal]

@pakman

Leaving out Holland while starting Kirifi, not playing the best blindside from the French series in that position and asking him to move there from lock once he’s fatigued all seems off to me.

[pakman]

There is scope for some mild experimentation in Pumas tests.

That is tempered by fitness.

If everyone was 100, in one of the tests I’d like to see Holland & Barrett start, Vaa’i at 6 and Patty T storming on at 55/60.

Also like to see how Holland does coming off the bench.

[Number 10]

[Bones]

@pakman yeah, I like PT and TV on at the same time, those two with Holland could be a great combination.

[sparky]

I'd go with something like:

1. De Groot
2. Taylor
3. Newell
4. S Barrett (c)
5. Holland
6. Vaa'i
7. Savea
8. Sititi
9. Ratima
10. B. Barrett
11. R. Ioane
12. J. Barrett
13. B. Proctor
14. W. Jordan
15. R. Love

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16. Taukei'aho
17. Norris
18. Tosi
19. Tuipolutu
20. Lakai
21. Preston
22. DMac
23. Tavatavanawai

[pakman]

Lakai will be in second test 23. Kirifi to get first test gig.

[Canes4life]

@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

Lakai will be in second test 23. Kirifi to get first test gig.

Yeah I agree. Lakai only got on a plane to Argentina today so he won’t play the first test.

[Dan54]

@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

Lakai will be in second test 23. Kirifi to get first test gig.

Yeah I agree. Lakai only got on a plane to Argentina today so he won’t play the first test.

Yep likewise with Parker I guessing, if he gets run will be off bench in 2nd test.

[MiketheSnow]

Any odds out there?

Can’t see Argentina putting up much of a fight based on the English tour

[sparky]

@MiketheSnow

https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/rugby-championship/argentina-v-new-zealand/winner

Argentina did beat the Lions and have beaten the All Blacks twice in recent year. Dangerous opponents.

[MiketheSnow]

@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

@MiketheSnow

https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/rugby-championship/argentina-v-new-zealand/winner

Argentina did beat the Lions and have beaten the All Blacks twice in recent year. Dangerous opponents.

And lost a home series to England B

[Canes4life]

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

@MiketheSnow

https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/rugby-championship/argentina-v-new-zealand/winner

Argentina did beat the Lions and have beaten the All Blacks twice in recent year. Dangerous opponents.

And lost a home series to England B

A bit like the French, on their day the Argies can beat anyone. We will have to be on our game.

[akan004]

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:

@MiketheSnow

https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/rugby-championship/argentina-v-new-zealand/winner

Argentina did beat the Lions and have beaten the All Blacks twice in recent year. Dangerous opponents.

And lost a home series to England B

Was it Argentina's top team?