All Blacks v Argentina I
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@Darth-Sader they played better with him on the pitch, no?
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Another question for me is: is Scooter the right captain for this team? He’s not even playing well enough to stay on the field. Is he the heart of this team?
He has just come back from injury.
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@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
We clearly had the wood in the forwards but didn’t use it until the last 20.
Because our territory wasn’t great. Once we were in better field position we kept our discipline by and larger and played it in the forwards.
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Scott Barrett isn't good enough to be in the 23, yet he's the Captain.
Our forward pack is probably the best in the world, and is deciding the winners of these games, the backline is absolutely shit and is keeping the score closer than it should be.
Beauden is NOT a 10. He has a labored pass, and his first instinct is to kick the ball away for the 1/30 miracle bounce that he can then live off for the next 3 years.
Half the backline currently aren't in the top 3 in their position in the country.
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@stodders France probably are the best team in the world right now. But they left 20 odd players at home rather than playing them against the ABs.
I think we have to reclaim the Rugby Championship before we'll really feel like World Number 1 again.
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@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Fans voting for Ardie for MOTM on the Sky broadcast???? Are we fucking serious? Bro let in 2 tries and did fuck all else.
Well perhaps like you mate, they just got an opinion. It's no more correct or otherwise than yours. Don't get upset about it.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@sparky standard of world rugby must be v poor right now if this current AB team are no 1
I mean, that McCaw team must been quite good to be so dominant at the top for so long
That McCaw team played against a bunch of plumbers and electricians. They would have no chance against today’s rugby athletes.
‘this is the LeBron vs Michael Jordan argument
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@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Proctor or ALB - an underwhelming selection choice.
At least Proctor did a few good things tonight in amongst the poor things. The problem really lies around the fluidity of our backline. Right now it isn’t functioning which isn’t helping newbies like Proctor settle in to their role.
So clunky.
Proctor has a lot of upside. Stick with him. A yellow card on D is not the worst offence.
What upside, exactly?
Hands, distribution and stepping are much better than Reiko. His work rate is really good. Every player makes a few mistakes. That’s the nature of sport. I think he will grow into his role.
He's demonstrated nothing that his fluffers were banging on about when clamouring for him to be the All Black centre. What he has demonstrated is how much we relied on Rieko's defence.
Which goes back to my point that perhaps the problem wasn't Rieko; it was the coaching of the backline.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Proctor or ALB - an underwhelming selection choice.
At least Proctor did a few good things tonight in amongst the poor things. The problem really lies around the fluidity of our backline. Right now it isn’t functioning which isn’t helping newbies like Proctor settle in to their role.
So clunky.
Proctor has a lot of upside. Stick with him. A yellow card on D is not the worst offence.
What upside, exactly?
Hands, distribution and stepping are much better than Reiko. His work rate is really good. Every player makes a few mistakes. That’s the nature of sport. I think he will grow into his role.
He's demonstrated nothing that his fluffers were banging on about when clamouring for him to be the All Black centre. What he has demonstrated is how much we relied on Rieko's defence.
Which goes back to my point that perhaps the problem wasn't Rieko; it was the coaching of the backline.
Except Riekos also been just as bad in Super Rugby for years.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Darth-Sader they played better with him on the pitch, no?
Cant disagree with that. But just not sure he’s one of the top 2 locks in our squad atm. I think he’s a great, hard as nails player, but also not sure he’s long-term captain material.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Proctor or ALB - an underwhelming selection choice.
At least Proctor did a few good things tonight in amongst the poor things. The problem really lies around the fluidity of our backline. Right now it isn’t functioning which isn’t helping newbies like Proctor settle in to their role.
So clunky.
Proctor has a lot of upside. Stick with him. A yellow card on D is not the worst offence.
What upside, exactly?
Hands, distribution and stepping are much better than Reiko. His work rate is really good. Every player makes a few mistakes. That’s the nature of sport. I think he will grow into his role.
He's demonstrated nothing that his fluffers were banging on about when clamouring for him to be the All Black centre. What he has demonstrated is how much we relied on Rieko's defence.
Which goes back to my point that perhaps the problem wasn't Rieko; it was the coaching of the backline.
Except Riekos also been just as bad in Super Rugby for years.
So your argument is "ignore All Black form, it's SR that matters for Tests"?
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@sparky I’m not so sure. I don’t think France are that great. Certainly not a level above the Boks and ABs at the moment.
But as they didn’t send their best down south, we will never know. And we will be waiting until next year to see how the ABs measure up against them as they aren’t playing each other in November.
The Boks do play them in November, and I think they will best them (if they give up trying to be the All Blacks and play Bok rugby).
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@antipodean I think it can be both. Rielo’s defence was underrated at 13, but he couldn’t release his outsides either when given the chance.
So ABs are still looking for a 13. Or maybe Proctor needs some time to build his combination with JB.
I remember Nonu didn’t look too flash when he first burst onto the scene
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Proctor or ALB - an underwhelming selection choice.
At least Proctor did a few good things tonight in amongst the poor things. The problem really lies around the fluidity of our backline. Right now it isn’t functioning which isn’t helping newbies like Proctor settle in to their role.
So clunky.
Proctor has a lot of upside. Stick with him. A yellow card on D is not the worst offence.
What upside, exactly?
Hands, distribution and stepping are much better than Reiko. His work rate is really good. Every player makes a few mistakes. That’s the nature of sport. I think he will grow into his role.
He's demonstrated nothing that his fluffers were banging on about when clamouring for him to be the All Black centre. What he has demonstrated is how much we relied on Rieko's defence.
Which goes back to my point that perhaps the problem wasn't Rieko; it was the coaching of the backline.
Except Riekos also been just as bad in Super Rugby for years.
So your argument is "ignore All Black form, it's SR that matters for Tests"?
Huh? You said maybe Rieko is only average at internationals because of the coaching?
I responded saying he's been performing just as poorly in SR. Unless you think it's the coaches fault in SR as well?
