All Blacks v Argentina II
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- 4 quality lineout jumpers
- good height and quality of lifters
- rock-solid hooker playing his 100th test in the form of his life
So I am looking forward to seeing us keep the ball in play rather than kicking for touch. I fully expect BB to showcase his range of bombs and grubbers from all over the park, and I am even tipping a return of the much-loved but strangely absent crosskick...
- 4 quality lineout jumpers
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
So you’d prefer slower loosies on the park in the last twenty instead of x-factor when the game opens up?
I think the issue is our loosie mix hasn’t been right from kick-off for years so we’ve had guys on the bench that weren’t impactful. Aside from Savea, there wouldn’t be more impactful loosies in NZ right now than Sititi and Lakai in terms of x-factor.
The premise being x-factor is impact? A loose forward that carried 170 times in SR but made only one line break isn't what I consider to be impactful. The stats say Kirifi was the more impactful player across the season.
Also this isn't the 2000s anymore. Our opposition are fitter than they used to be. And with better depth to select from their bench isn't a marked drop. You combine that with the slow, interrupted play, stacked benches and in tight games that's not the time for "mobility" over "dominance". You still need that physical ability to win collisions at Test level. And with Parker and Finau, we still possess that ability.
I acknowledge your point about the game changing and having to have dominance throughout the whole game but you kind of lost me when you decided to use Finau as your example.
You need to have players late in the game that can offer both x-factor and still have the ability to dominate. Sititi and Lakai can definitely be those players for us going forward.
We can debate this to the hill but at the end of the day the ABs need to find the right balance in terms of dominating our opposition physically but also using our x-factor and skill to finish off games, at the end of the day that’s our DNA and something I hope the ABs can nail down this year compared to last.
I hope these selections pay off in the weekend and we start to see the ABs flourish.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why has DMac become out of favour from the end of last year when he was playing well?
Shitting the bed in the Super Final probably didn’t help his cause.
Coming from someone who pumps up a heap of Hurricanes who actually shat the bed before getting near the final, against the mediocre Brumbies...
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why has DMac become out of favour from the end of last year when he was playing well?
Shitting the bed in the Super Final probably didn’t help his cause.
Coming from someone who pumps up a heap of Hurricanes who actually shat the bed before getting near the final, against the mediocre Brumbies...
Someone’s touchy, the Canes losing doesn’t change the fact DMac shat the bed in the final.
So frustrating as well because I was hoping he would deliver this year and nail down that 10 starting jersey. We are all getting sick of Beauden kicking the pill away.
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I think the coaches are just trying to get the best out of BB and DMac. They see BB as a better starter and DMac providing more spark off the bench. I tend to agree with them. People need to move away from the idea that being on the bench means you are demoted. The bench has basically the most important role in the match - closing out the game. They obviously trust DMac to do that, and doing it at the 50 minute mark when he's still fresh compared to the other backs on the field can maximise his effectiveness.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Tuipulotu is a big miss when you see Lord there, otherwise the bench looks alright.
Yeah it not only sucks when a player who is in really good form gets injured, but that their role in the team is well defined and they are playing to it.
Patty and Lord are chalk and cheese in terms of the type of player they are.
Yeah I consider Lord as a start or don't play type player too, but Holland is ahead of him currently and for a while too. We don't really have anyone else in fairness who can play Pat's role off the bench either, so the selection of Lord isn't a criticism, it's just that we won't get the same impact as Pat would provide us.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why has DMac become out of favour from the end of last year when he was playing well?
Shitting the bed in the Super Final probably didn’t help his cause.
Coming from someone who pumps up a heap of Hurricanes who actually shat the bed before getting near the final, against the mediocre Brumbies...
Someone’s touchy, the Canes losing doesn’t change the fact DMac shat the bed in the final. So frustrating as well because I was hoping he would deliver this year and nail down that 10 starting jersey. We are all getting sick of Beauden kicking the pill away.
Just saying mate, Lakai, Kirifi, Roigard were all just as or more poor in the game they were knocked out in as McKenzie was in the final.
Anyway, it's not the reason he's not being selected, our dimwit coach had already decided that last season despite e.g. Ireland. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why has DMac become out of favour from the end of last year when he was playing well?
Shitting the bed in the Super Final probably didn’t help his cause.
Coming from someone who pumps up a heap of Hurricanes who actually shat the bed before getting near the final, against the mediocre Brumbies...
Leave them alone, they've won 1 playoff game this decade against the defunct Rebels!
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I think the coaches are just trying to get the best out of BB and DMac. They see BB as a better starter and DMac providing more spark off the bench. I tend to agree with them. People need to move away from the idea that being on the bench means you are demoted. The bench has basically the most important role in the match - closing out the game. They obviously trust DMac to do that, and doing it at the 50 minute mark when he's still fresh compared to the other backs on the field can maximise his effectiveness.
Except the best rugby we played all last year was the first half of springboks 1 with McKenzie starting.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I think the coaches are just trying to get the best out of BB and DMac. They see BB as a better starter and DMac providing more spark off the bench. I tend to agree with them. People need to move away from the idea that being on the bench means you are demoted. The bench has basically the most important role in the match - closing out the game. They obviously trust DMac to do that, and doing it at the 50 minute mark when he's still fresh compared to the other backs on the field can maximise his effectiveness.
I know this is the common wisdom, but I'm not sure it holds anymore. I think DMac coming on with 15 to go and trying to spark something might not be what he is best at - perhaps he's actually best used behind a structured and dominant forward pack, putting us in better areas of the park with his more accurate boot and putting guys into space in more structured backline moves with his passing.
Last week he got zero opportunities in his limited time because play was so unstructured by that time, and he was playing 15 in any case.
There is also a risk that he feels the need to provide immediate "impact" when used off the bench, which can lead to trying to do too much.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why has DMac become out of favour from the end of last year when he was playing well?
Shitting the bed in the Super Final probably didn’t help his cause.
Coming from someone who pumps up a heap of Hurricanes who actually shat the bed before getting near the final, against the mediocre Brumbies...
Someone’s touchy, the Canes losing doesn’t change the fact DMac shat the bed in the final. So frustrating as well because I was hoping he would deliver this year and nail down that 10 starting jersey. We are all getting sick of Beauden kicking the pill away.
Just saying mate, Lakai, Kirifi, Roigard were all just as or more poor in the game they were knocked out in as McKenzie was in the final.
Anyway, it's not the reason he's not being selected, our dimwit coach had already decided that last season despite e.g. Ireland.I’m not denying that, we need to figure out how not to end up in that dump hole that is Canberra year after year.
I just don’t see what Razor sees in Beauden. I’d prefer DMac starting and Beauden off the bench, he seemed to suit that role when he was given it last year.
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The continual reference to DMac et al in recent finals is tiresome. The best period for the ABs in recent history is 2011-15 when neither the Crusaders or Blues won anything, but there were plenty of their players in the ABs at the time. Carter choked two seasons in a row in SFs.
In short, SR and test rugby are completely different, and AB coaches will select players they believe offer what they want in each position.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- 4 quality lineout jumpers
The last time I can recall us having such lineout firepower was 2019 when Sir Steve picked Whitelock, Retallick, SBarrett and Read.
Let's hope the Argies don't find an Itoje.
(We might have confused ourselves with having so many options and still finding it not working).
- 4 quality lineout jumpers
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@voodoo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- 4 quality lineout jumpers
- good height and quality of lifters
- rock-solid hooker playing his 100th test in the form of his life
So I am looking forward to seeing us keep the ball in play rather than kicking for touch. I fully expect BB to showcase his range of bombs and grubbers from all over the park, and I am even tipping a return of the much-loved but strangely absent crosskick...
Was quite difficult to read that as there was so much sarcasm dripping off it. Nice work.
Sadly, it is likely to be very true, but we live in hope.
- 4 quality lineout jumpers
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@African-Monkey yeah I quite like Lord as a player and what he offers.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- 4 quality lineout jumpers
The last time I can recall us having such lineout firepower was 2019 when Sir Steve picked Whitelock, Retallick, SBarrett and Read.
Let's hope the Argies don't find an Itoje.
(We might have confused ourselves with having so many options and still finding it not working).
But Retallick and Scooter were used interchangeably throughout therefore they weren’t always in there. I expect the same on Sunday morning.
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