All Blacks v Springboks I
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@kev said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@sparky Billy Proctor hasn’t found his feet. Still looking to play super rugby at test level. Doesn’t drop the ball as much as Reiko which is a plus but needs to improve his decisions.
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
Proctor was completely fine for most of that test. He did a great job shutting down his much more experienced opposites but let’s just ignore that. Until that cross kick I don’t think he put a foot wrong all night. Did everything asked of him , yeah the kick was probably not the right call but fk me, he’ll learn from that. This is literally his 5th test.
️ His first kick of the game also lead to our first try, so maybe give these young players time to find their feet.If we dropped players for one bad kick / decision that eventually lead to a try, Beauden, Jordie etc would have been dropped ages ago.
Laughable that you say we should move Jordie to 13 when he’s been one of the most headless backs for us this year.
Just keep the combinations growing. Chopping and changing won’t fix anything.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
When you are up by 14 it's a low percentage option. It was a shit option and shit execution. Just own it dude. Cripes.
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@kev said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@sparky Billy Proctor hasn’t found his feet. Still looking to play super rugby at test level. Doesn’t drop the ball as much as Reiko which is a plus but needs to improve his decisions.
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
Proctor was completely fine for most of that test. He did a great job shutting down his much more experienced opposites but let’s just ignore that. Until that cross kick I don’t think he put a foot wrong all night. Did everything asked of him , yeah the kick was probably not the right call but fk me, he’ll learn from that. This is literally his 5th test.
️ His first kick of the game also lead to our first try, so maybe give these young players time to find their feet.If we dropped players for one bad kick / decision that eventually lead to a try, Beauden, Jordie etc would have been dropped ages ago.
Laughable that you say we should move Jordie to 13 when he’s been one of the most headless backs for us this year.
Just keep the combinations growing. Chopping and changing won’t fix anything.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
When you are up by 14 it's a low percentage option. It was a shit option and shit execution. Just own it dude. Cripes.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
When you are up by 14 it's a low percentage option. It was a shit option and shit execution. Just own it dude. Cripes.
Christie and Beauden made low percentage options through their kicking all night. You just don’t like Proctor because he isn’t Ioane. Own it champ.
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@canefan I’d give Rieko a rest
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We won the Eden Park battle.
The next test times requires development of the team.
I am sick to death of the reluctance to try new players.
When Razor actually brings in high potential players - Parker, Sititi, Holland, they can actually work. -
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
When you are up by 14 it's a low percentage option. It was a shit option and shit execution. Just own it dude. Cripes.
Christie and Beauden made low percentage options through their kicking all night. You just don’t like Proctor because he isn’t Ioane. Own it champ.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
When you are up by 14 it's a low percentage option. It was a shit option and shit execution. Just own it dude. Cripes.
Christie and Beauden made low percentage options through their kicking all night. You just don’t like Proctor because he isn’t Ioane. Own it champ.
And we criticise Christie and Beauden plenty.
I've been supportive of Proctor replacing Rieko all season. Proctor deserves his shot. No issue there.
Proctor's going ok without setting the world on fire.
That was an awful play. Good news it didn't cost us the test.
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We won the Eden Park battle.
The next test times requires development of the team.
I am sick to death of the reluctance to try new players.
When Razor actually brings in high potential players - Parker, Sititi, Holland, they can actually work. -
Didn't have any money on the Boks
Went out and watched it in the pub with a full cooked breakfast at half time
Wonderful
Tough, tough contest with both teams giving their all
Exciting back and forth with the ABs unable / unwilling to give themselves daylight (should have taken the 3 to take them two scores ahead. Got the try but at that stage you need to create almost guaranteed breathing space)
Yes the weather didn't help but even if it was dry both sides were looking to put pressure on the catcher to create opportunities for themselves
We're not talking about Wales v Japan here
We were watching the two best sides in the world
More ambition from a three legged terrier trying to fuck an Alsatian
I expected better
The officiating for both sides was inconsistent and poor
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Didn't have any money on the Boks
Went out and watched it in the pub with a full cooked breakfast at half time
Wonderful
Tough, tough contest with both teams giving their all
Exciting back and forth with the ABs unable / unwilling to give themselves daylight (should have taken the 3 to take them two scores ahead. Got the try but at that stage you need to create almost guaranteed breathing space)
Yes the weather didn't help but even if it was dry both sides were looking to put pressure on the catcher to create opportunities for themselves
We're not talking about Wales v Japan here
We were watching the two best sides in the world
More ambition from a three legged terrier trying to fuck an Alsatian
I expected better
The officiating for both sides was inconsistent and poor
Dont like how the refs are coaching teams through the game.
I also think they shout "use it" quite early.....that train has over shot the station.
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@Frank Narawa should have started the season in the test team. Hope he is okay - great 4 mins or so.
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@Canes4life yeah I would be sticking with him. The thing about that option was we had spent the whole 2nd half defending because our kicking and option taking was terrible. BB and Christie the main offenders.
@kev said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life yeah I would be sticking with him. The thing about that option was we had spent the whole 2nd half defending because our kicking and option taking was terrible. BB and Christie the main offenders.
100% it was the wrong option, but to ignore the fact he was pretty bloody solid for the rest of the night annoys me. So many people always focus on the one bad thing and don’t give credit to the rest of the shit he did well. He’s young, he’ll make mistakes but he will learn through experience and he’ll be a much better player for these experiences. Give the guy time, he’s deserved this opportunity and tbh I’d love to see Tupaea at 12 as I think him and Proctor would compliment each other nicely. Jordie is too erratic at 12.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
When you are up by 14 it's a low percentage option. It was a shit option and shit execution. Just own it dude. Cripes.
Christie and Beauden made low percentage options through their kicking all night. You just don’t like Proctor because he isn’t Ioane. Own it champ.
And we criticise Christie and Beauden plenty.
I've been supportive of Proctor replacing Rieko all season. Proctor deserves his shot. No issue there.
Proctor's going ok without setting the world on fire.
That was an awful play. Good news it didn't cost us the test.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
When you are up by 14 it's a low percentage option. It was a shit option and shit execution. Just own it dude. Cripes.
Christie and Beauden made low percentage options through their kicking all night. You just don’t like Proctor because he isn’t Ioane. Own it champ.
And we criticise Christie and Beauden plenty.
I've been supportive of Proctor replacing Rieko all season. Proctor deserves his shot. No issue there.
Proctor's going ok without setting the world on fire.
That was an awful play. Good news it didn't cost us the test.
And again I never denied it was the right option, let’s hope he learns from it. If he keeps doing it then yeah I’d expect the backlash but I was pretty pleased with how he performed tonight.
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Personally think some of the critique of Christie is harsh. He is the fourth choice halfback, and he played like a fourth choice halfback - but you can’t knock his effort levels.
Considering the circumstances, I think criticising him for what he simply can’t do feels unfair.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
When you are up by 14 it's a low percentage option. It was a shit option and shit execution. Just own it dude. Cripes.
Christie and Beauden made low percentage options through their kicking all night. You just don’t like Proctor because he isn’t Ioane. Own it champ.
And we criticise Christie and Beauden plenty.
I've been supportive of Proctor replacing Rieko all season. Proctor deserves his shot. No issue there.
Proctor's going ok without setting the world on fire.
That was an awful play. Good news it didn't cost us the test.
And again I never denied it was the right option, let’s hope he learns from it. If he keeps doing it then yeah I’d expect the backlash but I was pretty pleased with how he performed tonight.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
When you are up by 14 it's a low percentage option. It was a shit option and shit execution. Just own it dude. Cripes.
Christie and Beauden made low percentage options through their kicking all night. You just don’t like Proctor because he isn’t Ioane. Own it champ.
And we criticise Christie and Beauden plenty.
I've been supportive of Proctor replacing Rieko all season. Proctor deserves his shot. No issue there.
Proctor's going ok without setting the world on fire.
That was an awful play. Good news it didn't cost us the test.
And again I never denied it was the right option, let’s hope he learns from it.
That's quite different to saying something like "Jordan was calling for it and if we had scored you would be singing a different tune"
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Personally think some of the critique of Christie is harsh. He is the fourth choice halfback, and he played like a fourth choice halfback - but you can’t knock his effort levels.
Considering the circumstances, I think criticising him for what he simply can’t do feels unfair.
@frugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Personally think some of the critique of Christie is harsh. He is the fourth choice halfback, and he played like a fourth choice halfback - but you can’t knock his effort levels.
Considering the circumstances, I think criticising him for what he simply can’t do feels unfair.
To be fair he played better than I expected he would tonight. It’s no attack on Christie but I’m just over the levels of kicking we are implementing in our game, especially when we are kicking 30 metres out from our try line. It’s just so go damn negative. Play some footy fellas.
The performance of Ratima and Christie in the last two weeks does show that we really need Roigard back though.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
This is what Rassie is doing, for better or worse.
He has 3 or 4 players in every position with 30 caps each come World Cup time.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Christie is there because of injuries, hopefully 1 or 2 will be back soon enough -otherwise be nice to see what Preston can do starting.
We really need to move on from BB at 10 Give Dmac the reins and Love to the benchWe definitely need to start giving Love more game time. We could easily have an injury crisis at 10 like we have at 9. He needs experience and they need to start giving him some.
This is what Rassie is doing, for better or worse.
He has 3 or 4 players in every position with 30 caps each come World Cup time.
And with a whole heap of 33-36 year olds.
Whats coming through doesnt look anywhere as good at this stage
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For me the Springboks have always been the ultimate barometer for this team. So tonight was a very, very good result.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
When you are up by 14 it's a low percentage option. It was a shit option and shit execution. Just own it dude. Cripes.
Christie and Beauden made low percentage options through their kicking all night. You just don’t like Proctor because he isn’t Ioane. Own it champ.
And we criticise Christie and Beauden plenty.
I've been supportive of Proctor replacing Rieko all season. Proctor deserves his shot. No issue there.
Proctor's going ok without setting the world on fire.
That was an awful play. Good news it didn't cost us the test.
And again I never denied it was the right option, let’s hope he learns from it.
That's quite different to saying something like "Jordan was calling for it and if we had scored you would be singing a different tune"
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Jordan was calling for the ball on the wing. It was the execution that was slightly off in this case. If Proctor nailed that kick and Jordan went the length of the field we’ll all be singing a different tune.
When you are up by 14 it's a low percentage option. It was a shit option and shit execution. Just own it dude. Cripes.
Christie and Beauden made low percentage options through their kicking all night. You just don’t like Proctor because he isn’t Ioane. Own it champ.
And we criticise Christie and Beauden plenty.
I've been supportive of Proctor replacing Rieko all season. Proctor deserves his shot. No issue there.
Proctor's going ok without setting the world on fire.
That was an awful play. Good news it didn't cost us the test.
And again I never denied it was the right option, let’s hope he learns from it.
That's quite different to saying something like "Jordan was calling for it and if we had scored you would be singing a different tune"
The space was there and the option was actually on but Proctor just didn’t execute. At that moment in the game it was the wrong option. Should have just rooted it down field.
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The obvious issue to me is we could not exit our 22 with Christie or BB, we have had this issue for years. Late in the game SA in their 22 and their 9 box kicks it past half way. We have to be able to exit, its fundamental yet we still can't do it.
@chimoaus I like the way the Aussies dealt with rush D to clear their line. Bridge pass, give the winger the option to kick long. Our bridge pssses didn’t go to hand and our wingers didn’t kick. I liked Narawa as an option because he had those Corey Jane type skills.
