All Blacks 2025
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Here is the full list. Norris should be playing too, unless he is the reason Bower was called in.
Leicester has made a couple of nice cameos in his few games for Ta$man so far.
Few boomfah moments and a lovely long pass to put a guy in for a try against Canterbury.
Certainly more impact than we have been getting from ALB recently.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Here is the full list. Norris should be playing too, unless he is the reason Bower was called in.
Leicester has made a couple of nice cameos in his few games for Ta$man so far.
Few boomfah moments and a lovely long pass to put a guy in for a try against Canterbury.
Certainly more impact than we have been getting from ALB recently.
I don't see the harm in switching him in for ALB, who IMHO is cooked
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Cory Jane Criticizes All Blacks’ High-Ball Technique After Springboks Defeat
Former All Blacks star Cory Jane has voiced concern over New Zealand’s high-ball performance, describing the team’s aerial technique as “sloppy” following their recent loss to the Springboks.
Jane, a 2011 World Cup winner and one of rugby’s most reliable high-ball specialists during his 55-Test career, now coaches defense and aerial contests at the Hurricanes. He explained that while the game has evolved with more contestable kicks due to law changes, the core fundamentals of catching remain unchanged.
“The way I always try to train our boys here is to get nice and square, get your knee in front to protect you, but also to get separation from the chaser. If you let them into your airspace, it’s a genuine 50/50,” Jane told Sport Nation.
He highlighted that many current players jump off one leg, leaving them vulnerable to onrushing chasers. Against South Africa, he noted Damian McKenzie and others were jumping with the wrong knee forward, which compromised their protection.
“I just think for all the glove work, or bubble as they used to call it, protecting the catcher, the technique’s got sloppy. We need to get back to having better technique in the air, to catch more than we drop,” Jane said.
Jane emphasized that confidence is crucial in aerial battles, recalling how the All Blacks of his era built a reputation that unsettled opponents. But he warned that without sharper skills, today’s team risks losing those contests.
He also pointed out the tactical shift in defensive setups, where playmakers are increasingly exposed under the high ball. In the Springboks clash, Beauden and Jordie Barrett swapped positions in the backfield to manage pressure, with Jordie often taking the deeper role.
“There are ways you can get around it, but the reality is the majority of 10s have to catch high balls these days,” Jane concluded.
#AllBlacks #Springboks #CoryJane #RugbyUnion #RugbyAnalysis #URC
Another reason to move Love to 10
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Cory Jane Criticizes All Blacks’ High-Ball Technique After Springboks Defeat
Former All Blacks star Cory Jane has voiced concern over New Zealand’s high-ball performance, describing the team’s aerial technique as “sloppy” following their recent loss to the Springboks.
Jane, a 2011 World Cup winner and one of rugby’s most reliable high-ball specialists during his 55-Test career, now coaches defense and aerial contests at the Hurricanes. He explained that while the game has evolved with more contestable kicks due to law changes, the core fundamentals of catching remain unchanged.
“The way I always try to train our boys here is to get nice and square, get your knee in front to protect you, but also to get separation from the chaser. If you let them into your airspace, it’s a genuine 50/50,” Jane told Sport Nation.
He highlighted that many current players jump off one leg, leaving them vulnerable to onrushing chasers. Against South Africa, he noted Damian McKenzie and others were jumping with the wrong knee forward, which compromised their protection.
“I just think for all the glove work, or bubble as they used to call it, protecting the catcher, the technique’s got sloppy. We need to get back to having better technique in the air, to catch more than we drop,” Jane said.
Jane emphasized that confidence is crucial in aerial battles, recalling how the All Blacks of his era built a reputation that unsettled opponents. But he warned that without sharper skills, today’s team risks losing those contests.
He also pointed out the tactical shift in defensive setups, where playmakers are increasingly exposed under the high ball. In the Springboks clash, Beauden and Jordie Barrett swapped positions in the backfield to manage pressure, with Jordie often taking the deeper role.
“There are ways you can get around it, but the reality is the majority of 10s have to catch high balls these days,” Jane concluded.
#AllBlacks #Springboks #CoryJane #RugbyUnion #RugbyAnalysis #URC
Another reason to move Love to 10
A reason to get CJ in to coach high kick receptions
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Here is the full list. Norris should be playing too, unless he is the reason Bower was called in.
Leicester has made a couple of nice cameos in his few games for Ta$man so far.
Few boomfah moments and a lovely long pass to put a guy in for a try against Canterbury.
Certainly more impact than we have been getting from ALB recently.
> I don't see the harm in switching him in for ALB, who IMHO is cooked
The fact he could theoretically get 100 test caps doesn’t sit well with me
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
Here is the full list. Norris should be playing too, unless he is the reason Bower was called in.
Leicester has made a couple of nice cameos in his few games for Ta$man so far.
Few boomfah moments and a lovely long pass to put a guy in for a try against Canterbury.
Certainly more impact than we have been getting from ALB recently.
> I don't see the harm in switching him in for ALB, who IMHO is cooked
The fact he could theoretically get 100 test caps doesn’t sit well with me
The corporate walahs think it will make great telly....
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Ok I read enough of Jane's explanations to think he'd make a useful AB skills coach.
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If SB has lower back issues that explains quite a bit, and possibly some of the scrum issues. No lock should be playing in the ABs with lower back frailties.
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@nostrildamus even if he isn't, his insight is going to be superior to what we have currently which looks like maybe chucking up a few bombs for the lads to catch uncontested.
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Wasn't Itoje gen clapping after the ref had awarded the pen or knock on etc?
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@nostrildamus
Funny you say that - I was at the game and SB spent a lot of time stretching his back and legs on his own - he also didn't look to me that he was running that freely. -
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why the flying fuck do they persist with Beauden Barrett at First Five?
His game management is atrocious these days.
BB was actually quite good in first 60. But we need a closer rather than a joker for the difficult games.
Bruh.
He may have had the odd okay moment but he made several poor decisions that either put us under pressure or didn’t take advantage of good forward play.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia I have deja vu, pretty sure we've had this debate before, I think you are massively under selling how effective he was at the back for us. Superb under the high ball, rock solid defender, long kicking game and good passing game are all attributes that led to him being MOTM on a number of occasions. He's absolutely saved our bacon when teams were barraging us with high balls more than once, that could have been useful on the weekend.
They moved him to the wing because they still wanted him in the back three while being able to keep Beauden on the park, but that was an absurd decision given the one thing he lacks is acceleration.
When he was moved to 12 he was our first choice FB and it wasn't close, and I'd like to see him moved back given how poor our back three have been lately.
We've likely definitely had this debate before.
He was not initially moved to the wing, he went to the bench when BB took over at 15, then he later moved to the wing, then back to fullback, and he probably did have his best period in the time just before he moved permanently to 12, but that is all.
And like I said in another post, now that he's matured I don't mind if they give him another shot there, but I'm not going to pretend he was a superstar there previously. You can though. We can argue about it again in another couple of years.
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Honestly reading that from Jane is just so absolutely damning of this current coaching group. We KNEW they were going to bombard us, and not only did we not select for it, the guys on the park had shit technique! So nobody had even worked with them on the best way to handle that!
And then Razor just waves that away with vague references about it being in SAs DNA? Despite the ABs being world leaders in this regard in recent history?
Fuck me, move these clowns on ASAP, absolute embarrassment to AB rugby.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Why the flying fuck do they persist with Beauden Barrett at First Five?
His game management is atrocious these days.
BB was actually quite good in first 60. But we need a closer rather than a joker for the difficult games.
It took BB about 7 minutes into the game to throw a loopy pass in his own in-goal, putting Proctor under immense pressure for zero possible gain.
He was shit.edit to add: then in the 8th minute, samisoni good counterruck, next runner a bit isolated and savea turnover, quick ball, mckenzie wide pass - to beauden with a 3 on 2. hates an overlap. decides to kick. decides that too late. partially charged. just horrible.
2nd edit: 14th minute, 3 men outside him with mckenzie hitting the line at pace, no SA defence, and the cover 10m back... BB hates an overlap, takes the tackle. this one was so bad that both commentators called him out on it.Yeah both incidents stood out. Genuine opportunities completely squandered.
I actually remember he did something similar against France in Paris last year.
Dmac made a great break, we went 60m up the field, the French defense completely on the backfoot.
Chance to get the winning try with only minutes remaining, BB gets quick ball, hesitates, hesitates again, and then passes late into Riekos face who knocks it on.
And we lose.
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@No-Quarter he did say they had worked hard on it, but one assumes whatever they are doing, aint up to it.
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@taniwharugby and based on the analysis by Jane, I don't believe him
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby and based on the analysis by Jane, I don't believe him
Maybe they did train on those things but the skills coach is not up to standard eg training with the wrong techniques.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?
Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.
Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.
Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.
Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.
Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.
To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.
I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?
Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.
Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.
Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.
Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.
Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.
To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.
I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.
Because we’re not selecting the larger enforcer type players.
Going off super rugby page stats, so give it take a kilo or two and a cm or two:
Height wise: only two of the in the top 10 tallest loose forwards have been selected (Va’ai and Parker, take out Va’ai, it’s one).Weight wise: three - Va’ai, Parker, Finau (and Finau is actually on the shorter side
can you list the 10 tallest
finau is 1.97 so wouldnt call him on shorter side.
im all for picking bigger loose forwards@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?
Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.
Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.
Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.
Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.
Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.
To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.
I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?
Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.
Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.
Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.
Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.
Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.
To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.
I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.
Because we’re not selecting the larger enforcer type players.
Going off super rugby page stats, so give it take a kilo or two and a cm or two:
Height wise: only two of the in the top 10 tallest loose forwards have been selected (Va’ai and Parker, take out Va’ai, it’s one).Weight wise: three - Va’ai, Parker, Finau (and Finau is actually on the shorter side
can you list the 10 tallest
finau is 1.97 so wouldnt call him on shorter side.
im all for picking bigger loose forwardsSays Finau is 193cm on the ABs page.
Top 10 tallest:
Va’ai: 198
Parker:197
Delaney: 197
Haig: 197
Ah Khoi: 196
Saufua: 196
Saifolio: 195
Howden: 195
Wrampling: 194
Grace: 194Top 10 heaviest (weights to be taken with a grain of salt imo):
Saifoloi: 120
Va’ai: 118
Parker: 117
Ah Kuoi: 116
Saufua: 116
Finau: 115
Haig: 114
Delaney: 114
Wrampling: 114
Dalton: 113
Sititi: 113interesting list
mixture of guys playing lock ,injured most of the year or don't get starts for there teams
be great if we had these some of these guys getting starts mostly at 6
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