Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ARHS said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
Where is all the Love for starting 10 stuff coming from? Do people want to see him suffer in a no win situation this early in his career?
What do you mean suffer?
He’s in the squad and has been selected as a 10/15. Plus we’ve had a gut full of BB and DMac running the cutter. No time like the present.
I really wish people would stop lumping McKenzie in with Barrett. Barrett has played every important minute at 10 this season, it's entirely his shit-show, and blaming a guy who has spent almost all his time on the bench or coming on at fullback when wingers get injured - and playing pretty well there - is just fucking weird.
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@reprobate said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ACT-Crusader said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ARHS said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
Where is all the Love for starting 10 stuff coming from? Do people want to see him suffer in a no win situation this early in his career?
What do you mean suffer?
He’s in the squad and has been selected as a 10/15. Plus we’ve had a gut full of BB and DMac running the cutter. No time like the present.
I really wish people would stop lumping McKenzie in with Barrett. Barrett has played every important minute at 10 this season, it's entirely his shit-show, and blaming a guy who has spent almost all his time on the bench or coming on at fullback when wingers get injured - and playing pretty well there - is just fucking weird.
So true
I feel for Proctor his whole chance of being a decent 13 at test level has been sabotaged by having BB at 10- even Jordi is suffering,
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@reprobate said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
I really wish people would stop lumping McKenzie in with Barrett.
I still reckon McKenzie is a better 10, and can be coached to an even better level. That game we lost against SA he created a shedload, but just missed on some final execution. I'd rather have that than the shovel pass chip kick shit I get served up from BB.
Best performance of the ABs under Razor: arguably Ireland 2024. Who was at 10? DMac.
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@kidcalder said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
So true
I feel for Proctor his whole chance of being a decent 13 at test level has been sabotaged by having BB at 10- even Jordi is suffering,Jordie must be pissed off that big brother has thrown him so many hospital passes this season. No chance he'll actually be put into space.
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@nonpartizan said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@Crazy-Horse said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
In Super rugby for example, I was surprised to learn that someone who was brought in for injury cover has to make way when the original player is available again, no matter how well they played.
I had no idea. That's a pretty insane rule.
So, these contracts handcuff coaches to an extent.
Salary caps come into play in Super, and bringing in injured players doesn't effect your salary cap, but does when player is fit again. You are able to keep injury replacements if you got room under salary cap, ie Daniel Rona for Chiefs a couple of years back. I don't think any team has had to release a player brought in if they want to keep him. There is always some players injured.
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Actually is Rona a future 13 option? From what I've seen he is solid if not a flashy player.
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You could pick prime frank bunce at centre and it would make zero difference in our current shape outside these players. The centres are set up to fail.
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@mariner4life Exactly. If we're not going to fix the actual problem, we may as well pick Ioane as he is the best defender and riles a few fluffybunnies up.
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I’d settle for Robertson dropping Beauden Barrett and Savea. That alone would show he recognises the problems those players are bringing to the team and wants to move forward.
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@Jet said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ACT-Crusader said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ARHS said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
Where is all the Love for starting 10 stuff coming from? Do people want to see him suffer in a no win situation this early in his career?
What do you mean suffer?
He’s in the squad and has been selected as a 10/15. Plus we’ve had a gut full of BB and DMac running the cutter. No time like the present.
He is 2 years older than Sua'ali'.
If you are good enough you are old enough.
My prediction is Love (now 24 years old) will leave New Zealand soon after the World Cup, with around a dozen test caps to his name, many of which will consist of ten-minute cameos. He’s just not getting a look in.
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@reprobate said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ACT-Crusader said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ARHS said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
Where is all the Love for starting 10 stuff coming from? Do people want to see him suffer in a no win situation this early in his career?
What do you mean suffer?
He’s in the squad and has been selected as a 10/15. Plus we’ve had a gut full of BB and DMac running the cutter. No time like the present.
I really wish people would stop lumping McKenzie in with Barrett. Barrett has played every important minute at 10 this season, it's entirely his shit-show, and blaming a guy who has spent almost all his time on the bench or coming on at fullback when wingers get injured - and playing pretty well there - is just fucking weird.
C'mon DMac has had plenty of chances at 10 and has been repeatedly found wanting. Neither are the answer. The cupboard is bare. FFS Jordie would probably do a better job than either. At least he has a boot on him. I would take any poor man's version of Grant Fox at this point.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
I’d settle for Robertson dropping Beauden Barrett and Savea. That alone would show he recognises the problems those players are bringing to the team and wants to move forward.
I would agree but there is zero farking chance of Savea getting dropped. Only injury will rule him out and credit to Ardie, he's remained remarkably healthy over his entire career when you consider the minutes and effort he puts in.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
I’d settle for Robertson dropping Beauden Barrett and Savea. That alone would show he recognises the problems those players are bringing to the team and wants to move forward.
I would agree but there is zero farking chance of Savea getting dropped. Only injury will rule him out and credit to Ardie, he's remained remarkably healthy over his entire career when you consider the minutes and effort he puts in.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@Jet said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ACT-Crusader said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ARHS said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
Where is all the Love for starting 10 stuff coming from? Do people want to see him suffer in a no win situation this early in his career?
What do you mean suffer?
He’s in the squad and has been selected as a 10/15. Plus we’ve had a gut full of BB and DMac running the cutter. No time like the present.
He is 2 years older than Sua'ali'.
If you are good enough you are old enough.
My prediction is Love will leave New Zealand soon after the World Cup, with around a dozen test caps to his name, many of which will consist of ten-minute cameos. He’s just not getting a look in.
Like many before him who potentially could have offered a lot if given the same chances afforded to others.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@reprobate said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ACT-Crusader said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ARHS said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
Where is all the Love for starting 10 stuff coming from? Do people want to see him suffer in a no win situation this early in his career?
What do you mean suffer?
He’s in the squad and has been selected as a 10/15. Plus we’ve had a gut full of BB and DMac running the cutter. No time like the present.
I really wish people would stop lumping McKenzie in with Barrett. Barrett has played every important minute at 10 this season, it's entirely his shit-show, and blaming a guy who has spent almost all his time on the bench or coming on at fullback when wingers get injured - and playing pretty well there - is just fucking weird.
C'mon DMac has had plenty of chances at 10 and has been repeatedly found wanting. Neither are the answer. The cupboard is bare. FFS Jordie would probably do a better job than either. At least he has a boot on him. I would take any poor man's version of Grant Fox at this point.
Barrett had played as many tests at 10 as McKenzie has now, in about 2016 I'd say.
McKenzie played his first test at 10 in 2018, his 2nd in 2021, his 3rd to 5th in 2023. Beauden's first 5 tests at 10 were in 20-fucking-14.
The chances McKenzie has had are, in fact, pretty much just half of last year - whereas Beauden has had a decade. -
@antipodean said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
I’d settle for Robertson dropping Beauden Barrett and Savea. That alone would show he recognises the problems those players are bringing to the team and wants to move forward.
I would agree but there is zero farking chance of Savea getting dropped. Only injury will rule him out and credit to Ardie, he's remained remarkably healthy over his entire career when you consider the minutes and effort he puts in.
I don’t reckon anyone pumps the legs as hard as Savea when he’s being scragged. Other forwards hit the deck at the mere thought of being tackled.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@nonpartizan said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
@Crazy-Horse said in Should this week's test be the ushering-in of a new era for All Blacks?:
In Super rugby for example, I was surprised to learn that someone who was brought in for injury cover has to make way when the original player is available again, no matter how well they played.
I had no idea. That's a pretty insane rule.
So, these contracts handcuff coaches to an extent.
That's my understanding, happy to be proven wrong. From memory there was an article about a Crusader who came in as injury cover and played well, but had to step aside later in the season. Hopefully someone on here has some inside knowledge on how the AB contracts work, and what sort of clauses may be in play.
I think that's more about competition rules and squads than anything dastardly.
