All Blacks 2025
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@Jet It's the same problem as Foster had in some ways - too loyal to the players to drop them. Rieko shouldn't be shuffled to the wing, if he's not your centre he should be dropped and asked to play a couple of games at wing at a lower level to show he still can.
BB should be gone. Best case I think we see him shuffled to fullback.
TJP and Cane as you say.
With Foster I'd speculate it was personal loyalty, because he knew them all so well. With Robertson, perhaps there's some sort of culture which he is trying to create, because he has actually ditched guys he knew in Blackadder and Havili, while retaining past-it but long-term ABs for swansong type shit. If so I think that's a terrible mistake, because it needs to be first and foremost and above everything else, performance-based. -
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
I think with Razor it's just as much as lack of diverse coaching experience as being the problem.
He's coached Canterbury and the Crusaders.
His coaching network is small - and even some of those he has had a falling out with (Leon MacDonald).
Therefore you end up with a weak coaching staff.
Foster had a similar issue in his tenure but was luckily able to pivot to Ryan and Schmidt.
Based on the evidence I question how much goodwill Razor has in coaching circles.
I think the big difference is we all know the original coaching group assembled by Foster wasn't the one he wanted, it was the one he could get.
Apart from Leon walking out the door, is this the group Razor wanted? Because a bunch of them look as out of their depth as Foster's originals.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
I don’t think there’s any question that Robertson was the right appointment. NZR handled the process poorly, however. Ideally, Robertson should have been surrounded by other top-level coaches, not just his mates. And while he deserved the job, that doesn’t guarantee he’s up to it. He still has time to turn things around, but at this stage it looks far from promising.
This seemed to be the problem for Fozzie as well, who got stuck with dud assistants. The problem is made even worse under Razor given he seems to be very much a vibes guy rather than a technically good coach.
The process for appointing both Fozzie and Razor was an absolute shit show that left us with poor coaching groups - I think the biggest problems with the ABs right now is that NZR can't come up with a process for appointing a new coaching group that maximises the talent we have. Surely they'd get all the best coaches in a room together and tell them to make it work given this is our national side? And that a bit of disagreement is actually a good thing in a professional environment? We get limited say in the colleagues we work with in our jobs, we just make it work. Perhaps NZR err on the side of just picking who they think is best, short of two blokes wanting to kill each other, instead of making candidates try and lock in their "team" ahead of time.
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Then what do you put it down to? An honest question. Lack of international club/country just seems to be one of a few suggestions being floated. -
on the other side of the draw, there just aren't enough challenging head and assistant coaching jobs in NZ that pay well enough to stop the coaching drain: SA, Ireland, England, Japan, Australia ... they can't all easily come back and apply once they've gone and most of them have improved our rivals (arguably).
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There would have been huge value in Razor coaching up North to learn their systems etc, and put his coaching talents to the test outside of the cozy Crusaderland. Whether that's an international team or club, either would have benefited him a lot I think.
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Black pill time. I’m finding it hard to muster any enthusiasm for this weekend or anything beyond really. Wellington knocked the (little) faith I had completely out of me. Not the result, the performance. No confidence in the coaching team and the core veterans. I have doubts whether the management even know what the problems are.
We win comfortably in the weekend showing we can pull out the odd big performance but can’t sustain anything. Though we go out and lose the next week. We then head north and lose twice. We show just enough that none of the required structural changes are made. The media will tell us how great the players are, and a few bounces and refereeing decisions just didn’t go our way. The coaching team is locked in, the veterans which needed to go years ago hold on for the next WC and be guaranteed selection irrespective of performance.
Repeat for next year. Then it’s too late to change anything for the WC anyway. Depending on the draw, exit in the semis. Media and players say the coach just needs a bit more time and his plan is coming together.
Repeat the cycle.
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Any rumours on the 23 named tomorrow..?
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Reckon it is eminently possible that Cam Roigard makes a world of difference. His threat around the ruck should give the other backs more space.
I thought our backs looked pretty slick in those first two tests v France - in fact we were slick in general.
Ratima has been shit, and Christie is shit, which certainly hasn’t helped matters.
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@JA said in All Blacks 2025:
Black pill time. I’m finding it hard to muster any enthusiasm for this weekend or anything beyond really. Wellington knocked the (little) faith I had completely out of me. Not the result, the performance. No confidence in the coaching team and the core veterans. I have doubts whether the management even know what the problems are.
We win comfortably in the weekend showing we can pull out the odd big performance but can’t sustain anything. Though we go out and lose the next week. We then head north and lose twice. We show just enough that none of the required structural changes are made. The media will tell us how great the players are, and a few bounces and refereeing decisions just didn’t go our way. The coaching team is locked in, the veterans which needed to go years ago hold on for the next WC and be guaranteed selection irrespective of performance.
Repeat for next year. Then it’s too late to change anything for the WC anyway. Depending on the draw, exit in the semis. Media and players say the coach just needs a bit more time and his plan is coming together.
Repeat the cycle.
I'd be showing the players the footage of them walking around on defence and generally not bothering, then asking them if they want to add to that footage in the future.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@JA said in All Blacks 2025:
Black pill time. I’m finding it hard to muster any enthusiasm for this weekend or anything beyond really. Wellington knocked the (little) faith I had completely out of me. Not the result, the performance. No confidence in the coaching team and the core veterans. I have doubts whether the management even know what the problems are.
We win comfortably in the weekend showing we can pull out the odd big performance but can’t sustain anything. Though we go out and lose the next week. We then head north and lose twice. We show just enough that none of the required structural changes are made. The media will tell us how great the players are, and a few bounces and refereeing decisions just didn’t go our way. The coaching team is locked in, the veterans which needed to go years ago hold on for the next WC and be guaranteed selection irrespective of performance.
Repeat for next year. Then it’s too late to change anything for the WC anyway. Depending on the draw, exit in the semis. Media and players say the coach just needs a bit more time and his plan is coming together.
Repeat the cycle.
I'd be showing the players the footage of them walking around on defence and generally not bothering, then asking them if they want to add to that footage in the future.
I'D be showing the players who were walking the fucking door and don't come back.
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@upthelanders Reiko to resume his spot.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders Reiko to resume his spot.
At centre or the wing? I could understand him coming back in at 13, but on the wing would just be bizarre.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Good thinking Raz, shuffle the outside backs - that's almost always the problem when you get thrashed.
coach under pressure classic
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris At least Ioane can tackle. Proctor's defence has been sub-par.
Yeah but first he is not good enough for centre but he's a wing then he doesn't get selected.Now he is the best centre again
A complete mess confusion reigns.
