All Blacks 2025
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
So BB who is a problem will never get moved from First Five.
Isn't this the biggest problem for the dysfunction of the backline? Jordie is a very limited 12 too as far as distribution goes.
Yes a massive problem it breaks down around BB mostly.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
By the sound of the backline selection if its true,We are back to a complete disfuctioning backline who may well get taught a big lesson from the Aussie backline.
Back to? As if we ever left
What I said back to meaning, same as the last tests .
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
If he's not good enough and our results are shit, I'm all for sacking him - I can't understand some of his selections, his tactics, half the sentences that come out of his mouth are nonsense or contradictory - but I don't want to see his failures being put down to some arbitrary missing requirement for international experience, whatever that means, which can then be used to rule out our next good candidate.
Don't agree that it is an arbitrary requirement. The consistent narrative is that Test rugby is quite different to Super. Skillsets are different, the game is different, the prep is different, the squads are different. Hell, you're on the road continuously even in your own country.
The question is whether the coaching team has enough knowledge and experience to understand what is needed and respond. Same question as the players - and one of the reasons RMo struggled; Tests are faster, with bigger faster players and fewer mismatches, along with better defensive systems. Shining in Super is not an automatic tick for shining at Test level.
Razor's lack of international experience is only part of a wider problem across the coaching group - i.e. that he has loaded up the coaching group with his mates who also have no international experience (Ryan aside, obviously). In that scenario, you're really leaning heavily on the players who have international experience to provide a lot of the stuff that only that experience can bring. Hence, the conservative selections and the over reliance on two particularly problematic players in the 7 and 10 jerseys.
Edit: And when you couple the above with the general ethos of player empowerment, it does make you wonder whether Razor and his coaching group have put too much faith in the players. Player empowerment is obviously required to a certain extent to get buy-in, but literally handing players the team only works when you've got all-time greats like McCaw, Carter, Whitelock, etc. - it's likely to be a dismal failure when your most trusted players are brainless idiots like the Barretts and Savea.
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@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
If he's not good enough and our results are shit, I'm all for sacking him - I can't understand some of his selections, his tactics, half the sentences that come out of his mouth are nonsense or contradictory - but I don't want to see his failures being put down to some arbitrary missing requirement for international experience, whatever that means, which can then be used to rule out our next good candidate.
Don't agree that it is an arbitrary requirement. The consistent narrative is that Test rugby is quite different to Super. Skillsets are different, the game is different, the prep is different, the squads are different. Hell, you're on the road continuously even in your own country.
The question is whether the coaching team has enough knowledge and experience to understand what is needed and respond. Same question as the players - and one of the reasons RMo struggled; Tests are faster, with bigger faster players and fewer mismatches, along with better defensive systems. Shining in Super is not an automatic tick for shining at Test level.
Razor's lack of international experience is only part of a wider problem across the coaching group - i.e. that he has loaded up the coaching group with his mates who also have no international experience (Ryan aside, obviously). In that scenario, you're really leaning heavily on the players who have international experience to provide a lot of the stuff that only that experience can bring. Hence, the conservative selections and the over reliance on two particularly problematic players in the 7 and 10 jerseys.
Edit: And when you couple the above with the general ethos of player empowerment, it does make you wonder whether Razor and his coaching group have put too much faith in the players. Player empowerment is obviously required to a certain extent to get buy-in, but literally handing players the team only works when you've got all-time greats like McCaw, Carter, Whitelock, etc. - it's likely to be a dismal failure when your most trusted players are brainless idiots like the Barretts and Savea.
Just FYI, Scott Hansen was an assistant coach to Japan under Jamie Joseph for 3 years.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean and I think that was also addressed earlier, the process was a big part of the problem with several potential candidates either not applying or ruling themselves out as they felt the decision had already been made.
I have no issues with Razor getting the job, if he was an amazing regional manager applying for the national manger job in a business, I doubt they tell him to go work for the opposition for a while and then come back when another role opens up in 2-4 years depending on their success.
What is an issue, is NZR have given him the full 4 years, one woudl hope this included a review after 18 months, 2 years or so, with an option to terminate if performance was not up to scratch, but despite having the opportunity to learn from those sort of mistakes they made with Foster, I expect the contract he has is 4 years come what may.
Given that, and this goal of his to win two World Cups with different teams, I would have expected him to be significantly less conservative in his approach and less afraid of losing in his first two years. He also could have used the goal of winning the World Cup to buy himself some forgiveness when things didn't go so well.
I actually think he had massive amounts of goodwill at the beginning of his tenure basically to toss out the Foster years and pick a bunch of up-and-coming kids. The results might not have been any better (not sure they would have been any worse) but the potential feel good factor about the future would have bought him another year of goodwill into 2025.
As it was, he basically picked Foster's team, publicly begged to be able to pick two more overseas based players from that team, played Foster rugby and got Foster results. Now, he has bugger all goodwill and people are starting to question whether he should continue in the job.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@JA said in All Blacks 2025:
Black pill time. I’m finding it hard to muster any enthusiasm for this weekend or anything beyond really. Wellington knocked the (little) faith I had completely out of me. Not the result, the performance. No confidence in the coaching team and the core veterans. I have doubts whether the management even know what the problems are.
We win comfortably in the weekend showing we can pull out the odd big performance but can’t sustain anything. Though we go out and lose the next week. We then head north and lose twice. We show just enough that none of the required structural changes are made. The media will tell us how great the players are, and a few bounces and refereeing decisions just didn’t go our way. The coaching team is locked in, the veterans which needed to go years ago hold on for the next WC and be guaranteed selection irrespective of performance.
Repeat for next year. Then it’s too late to change anything for the WC anyway. Depending on the draw, exit in the semis. Media and players say the coach just needs a bit more time and his plan is coming together.
Repeat the cycle.
I'd be showing the players the footage of them walking around on defence and generally not bothering, then asking them if they want to add to that footage in the future.
Don’t seriously reckon Razor would dare to show that footage to a guy like Ardie…?
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@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean and I think that was also addressed earlier, the process was a big part of the problem with several potential candidates either not applying or ruling themselves out as they felt the decision had already been made.
I have no issues with Razor getting the job, if he was an amazing regional manager applying for the national manger job in a business, I doubt they tell him to go work for the opposition for a while and then come back when another role opens up in 2-4 years depending on their success.
What is an issue, is NZR have given him the full 4 years, one woudl hope this included a review after 18 months, 2 years or so, with an option to terminate if performance was not up to scratch, but despite having the opportunity to learn from those sort of mistakes they made with Foster, I expect the contract he has is 4 years come what may.
Given that, and this goal of his to win two World Cups with different teams, I would have expected him to be significantly less conservative in his approach and less afraid of losing in his first two years. He also could have used the goal of winning the World Cup to buy himself some forgiveness when things didn't go so well.
I actually think he had massive amounts of goodwill at the beginning of his tenure basically to toss out the Foster years and pick a bunch of up-and-coming kids. The results might not have been any better (not sure they would have been any worse) but the potential feel good factor about the future would have bought him another year of goodwill into 2025.
As it was, he basically picked Foster's team, publicly begged to be able to pick two more overseas based players from that team, played Foster rugby and got Foster results. Now, he has bugger all goodwill and people are starting to question whether he should continue in the job.
As Foster picked Ryan one could argue Foster moved to more of a Razor-style of coaching rather than vice versa.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris At least Ioane can tackle. Proctor's defence has been sub-par.
Yeah but first he is not good enough for centre but he's a wing then he doesn't get selected.Now he is the best centre again
A complete mess confusion reigns.I think that was short-sighted. He clearly isn't a winger anymore. I think we all hoped Proctor would be an improvement, but he has failed to replicate the form he showed in Super Rugby having had a reasonable chance.
It has been far from smooth sailing inside him, but he hasn't shown an ounce of anything to suggest he is better than Rieko.
I think ideally you still want a better distributor at 13... would they be brave enough to consider Ennor for the end of year tour?
Maybe they would, Ennor is a good distributer,But it seems to me they are panicking and will stay with the as they see it, tried and true.
So BB who is a problem will never get moved from First Five.
This coming from a man who told us all Proctor was the greatest centre in the world and would fix all our troubles,Only to turn out he is sub standard at test level.
Not me mate. I may have said he deserved a chance, and based on Super form he did. Sadly to date he's been found wanting. If they continue to use their 13 in such a limited manner, at least Reiko can defend stoutly
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They should have thrown the baby out with the bath water last season. Robertsons biggest mistake was prioritising results last year. If he’d swallowed the pill and gone all in with the likes of Proctor and Love last year, I think things would be very different
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean and I think that was also addressed earlier, the process was a big part of the problem with several potential candidates either not applying or ruling themselves out as they felt the decision had already been made.
I have no issues with Razor getting the job, if he was an amazing regional manager applying for the national manger job in a business, I doubt they tell him to go work for the opposition for a while and then come back when another role opens up in 2-4 years depending on their success.
What is an issue, is NZR have given him the full 4 years, one woudl hope this included a review after 18 months, 2 years or so, with an option to terminate if performance was not up to scratch, but despite having the opportunity to learn from those sort of mistakes they made with Foster, I expect the contract he has is 4 years come what may.
Given that, and this goal of his to win two World Cups with different teams, I would have expected him to be significantly less conservative in his approach and less afraid of losing in his first two years. He also could have used the goal of winning the World Cup to buy himself some forgiveness when things didn't go so well.
I actually think he had massive amounts of goodwill at the beginning of his tenure basically to toss out the Foster years and pick a bunch of up-and-coming kids. The results might not have been any better (not sure they would have been any worse) but the potential feel good factor about the future would have bought him another year of goodwill into 2025.
As it was, he basically picked Foster's team, publicly begged to be able to pick two more overseas based players from that team, played Foster rugby and got Foster results. Now, he has bugger all goodwill and people are starting to question whether he should continue in the job.
As Foster picked Ryan one could argue Foster moved to more of a Razor-style of coaching rather than vice versa.
Out of all of his assistants, Ryan is the only one currently justifying his place
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean and I think that was also addressed earlier, the process was a big part of the problem with several potential candidates either not applying or ruling themselves out as they felt the decision had already been made.
I have no issues with Razor getting the job, if he was an amazing regional manager applying for the national manger job in a business, I doubt they tell him to go work for the opposition for a while and then come back when another role opens up in 2-4 years depending on their success.
What is an issue, is NZR have given him the full 4 years, one woudl hope this included a review after 18 months, 2 years or so, with an option to terminate if performance was not up to scratch, but despite having the opportunity to learn from those sort of mistakes they made with Foster, I expect the contract he has is 4 years come what may.
Given that, and this goal of his to win two World Cups with different teams, I would have expected him to be significantly less conservative in his approach and less afraid of losing in his first two years. He also could have used the goal of winning the World Cup to buy himself some forgiveness when things didn't go so well.
I actually think he had massive amounts of goodwill at the beginning of his tenure basically to toss out the Foster years and pick a bunch of up-and-coming kids. The results might not have been any better (not sure they would have been any worse) but the potential feel good factor about the future would have bought him another year of goodwill into 2025.
As it was, he basically picked Foster's team, publicly begged to be able to pick two more overseas based players from that team, played Foster rugby and got Foster results. Now, he has bugger all goodwill and people are starting to question whether he should continue in the job.
As Foster picked Ryan one could argue Foster moved to more of a Razor-style of coaching rather than vice versa.
Out of all of his assistants, Ryan is the only one currently justifying his place
Up until the last 2 tests he was. Our set piece was an abortion against the Boks.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean and I think that was also addressed earlier, the process was a big part of the problem with several potential candidates either not applying or ruling themselves out as they felt the decision had already been made.
I have no issues with Razor getting the job, if he was an amazing regional manager applying for the national manger job in a business, I doubt they tell him to go work for the opposition for a while and then come back when another role opens up in 2-4 years depending on their success.
What is an issue, is NZR have given him the full 4 years, one woudl hope this included a review after 18 months, 2 years or so, with an option to terminate if performance was not up to scratch, but despite having the opportunity to learn from those sort of mistakes they made with Foster, I expect the contract he has is 4 years come what may.
Given that, and this goal of his to win two World Cups with different teams, I would have expected him to be significantly less conservative in his approach and less afraid of losing in his first two years. He also could have used the goal of winning the World Cup to buy himself some forgiveness when things didn't go so well.
I actually think he had massive amounts of goodwill at the beginning of his tenure basically to toss out the Foster years and pick a bunch of up-and-coming kids. The results might not have been any better (not sure they would have been any worse) but the potential feel good factor about the future would have bought him another year of goodwill into 2025.
As it was, he basically picked Foster's team, publicly begged to be able to pick two more overseas based players from that team, played Foster rugby and got Foster results. Now, he has bugger all goodwill and people are starting to question whether he should continue in the job.
As Foster picked Ryan one could argue Foster moved to more of a Razor-style of coaching rather than vice versa.
Out of all of his assistants, Ryan is the only one currently justifying his place
Up until the last 2 tests he was. Our set piece was an abortion against the Boks.
Loose forwards weren't great either.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean and I think that was also addressed earlier, the process was a big part of the problem with several potential candidates either not applying or ruling themselves out as they felt the decision had already been made.
I have no issues with Razor getting the job, if he was an amazing regional manager applying for the national manger job in a business, I doubt they tell him to go work for the opposition for a while and then come back when another role opens up in 2-4 years depending on their success.
What is an issue, is NZR have given him the full 4 years, one woudl hope this included a review after 18 months, 2 years or so, with an option to terminate if performance was not up to scratch, but despite having the opportunity to learn from those sort of mistakes they made with Foster, I expect the contract he has is 4 years come what may.
Given that, and this goal of his to win two World Cups with different teams, I would have expected him to be significantly less conservative in his approach and less afraid of losing in his first two years. He also could have used the goal of winning the World Cup to buy himself some forgiveness when things didn't go so well.
I actually think he had massive amounts of goodwill at the beginning of his tenure basically to toss out the Foster years and pick a bunch of up-and-coming kids. The results might not have been any better (not sure they would have been any worse) but the potential feel good factor about the future would have bought him another year of goodwill into 2025.
As it was, he basically picked Foster's team, publicly begged to be able to pick two more overseas based players from that team, played Foster rugby and got Foster results. Now, he has bugger all goodwill and people are starting to question whether he should continue in the job.
As Foster picked Ryan one could argue Foster moved to more of a Razor-style of coaching rather than vice versa.
Can't say I agree. Schmidt was clearly running the game plan when he and Ryan came onboard. Mooar compared to Schmidt had a game plan similar to Razor's.
Schmidt tightened things up a lot and made everything a lot simpler. Much narrower attack. The team improved and got within a whisker of winning the RWC after coming back from the nadir of 2022.
Then when Razor came onboard he arrogantly proclaimed they were tearing up the playbook ( installed by Schmidt ). They instantly started playing with more width ( back to the direction of Mooar ). We currently play wide a lot without earning the right.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean and I think that was also addressed earlier, the process was a big part of the problem with several potential candidates either not applying or ruling themselves out as they felt the decision had already been made.
I have no issues with Razor getting the job, if he was an amazing regional manager applying for the national manger job in a business, I doubt they tell him to go work for the opposition for a while and then come back when another role opens up in 2-4 years depending on their success.
What is an issue, is NZR have given him the full 4 years, one woudl hope this included a review after 18 months, 2 years or so, with an option to terminate if performance was not up to scratch, but despite having the opportunity to learn from those sort of mistakes they made with Foster, I expect the contract he has is 4 years come what may.
Given that, and this goal of his to win two World Cups with different teams, I would have expected him to be significantly less conservative in his approach and less afraid of losing in his first two years. He also could have used the goal of winning the World Cup to buy himself some forgiveness when things didn't go so well.
Exactly. There has been at least one storied All Black.side in every decade since the 60s - from the 67 team, 78, 87, 96, 05 and 13.
As of right now there has not been one in the 20s and the work.that needed to be done in 24 and 25 was to lay a foundation for a shot at the world cup in 27 and the Lions in 29.. it feels like an awful lot of time has been wasted these first two years with little to.show for it.
Razor needed to sell people on the idea that the first two years would be difficult and maybe not a lot of wins would be secured but that his long term vision of building a team to win the world cup was the ultimate focus. Fear of losing + conservative selections have seen almost two years wasted.
I’m not sure that amount of lead time going into a RWC campaign is needed in this day and age. We’ve seen resets, significant selection changes, gameplan manoeuvring and shifts in the year prior to a RWC that has contributed to the success of the ultimate winner. And there’s also that old thing called luck that is needed to win the Webb Ellis.
But the whole World Cup stuff is not really the target but more a line that gets bandied around because it’s always in the future.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean and I think that was also addressed earlier, the process was a big part of the problem with several potential candidates either not applying or ruling themselves out as they felt the decision had already been made.
I have no issues with Razor getting the job, if he was an amazing regional manager applying for the national manger job in a business, I doubt they tell him to go work for the opposition for a while and then come back when another role opens up in 2-4 years depending on their success.
What is an issue, is NZR have given him the full 4 years, one woudl hope this included a review after 18 months, 2 years or so, with an option to terminate if performance was not up to scratch, but despite having the opportunity to learn from those sort of mistakes they made with Foster, I expect the contract he has is 4 years come what may.
Given that, and this goal of his to win two World Cups with different teams, I would have expected him to be significantly less conservative in his approach and less afraid of losing in his first two years. He also could have used the goal of winning the World Cup to buy himself some forgiveness when things didn't go so well.
I actually think he had massive amounts of goodwill at the beginning of his tenure basically to toss out the Foster years and pick a bunch of up-and-coming kids. The results might not have been any better (not sure they would have been any worse) but the potential feel good factor about the future would have bought him another year of goodwill into 2025.
As it was, he basically picked Foster's team, publicly begged to be able to pick two more overseas based players from that team, played Foster rugby and got Foster results. Now, he has bugger all goodwill and people are starting to question whether he should continue in the job.
As Foster picked Ryan one could argue Foster moved to more of a Razor-style of coaching rather than vice versa.
Can't say I agree. Schmidt was clearly running the game plan when he and Ryan came onboard. Mooar compared to Schmidt had a game plan similar to Razor's.
Schmidt tightened things up a lot and made everything a lot simpler. Much narrower attack. The team improved and got within a whisker of winning the RWC after coming back from the nadir of 2022.
Then when Razor came onboard he arrogantly proclaimed they were tearing up the playbook ( installed by Schmidt ). They instantly started playing with more width ( back to the direction of Mooar ). We currently play wide a lot without earning the right.
I don't think that quite negates what I was saying.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean and I think that was also addressed earlier, the process was a big part of the problem with several potential candidates either not applying or ruling themselves out as they felt the decision had already been made.
I have no issues with Razor getting the job, if he was an amazing regional manager applying for the national manger job in a business, I doubt they tell him to go work for the opposition for a while and then come back when another role opens up in 2-4 years depending on their success.
What is an issue, is NZR have given him the full 4 years, one woudl hope this included a review after 18 months, 2 years or so, with an option to terminate if performance was not up to scratch, but despite having the opportunity to learn from those sort of mistakes they made with Foster, I expect the contract he has is 4 years come what may.
Given that, and this goal of his to win two World Cups with different teams, I would have expected him to be significantly less conservative in his approach and less afraid of losing in his first two years. He also could have used the goal of winning the World Cup to buy himself some forgiveness when things didn't go so well.
Exactly. There has been at least one storied All Black.side in every decade since the 60s - from the 67 team, 78, 87, 96, 05 and 13.
As of right now there has not been one in the 20s and the work.that needed to be done in 24 and 25 was to lay a foundation for a shot at the world cup in 27 and the Lions in 29.. it feels like an awful lot of time has been wasted these first two years with little to.show for it.
Razor needed to sell people on the idea that the first two years would be difficult and maybe not a lot of wins would be secured but that his long term vision of building a team to win the world cup was the ultimate focus. Fear of losing + conservative selections have seen almost two years wasted.
I’m not sure that amount of lead time going into a RWC campaign is needed in this day and age. We’ve seen resets, significant selection changes, gameplan manoeuvring and shifts in the year prior to a RWC that has contributed to the success of the ultimate winner. And there’s also that old thing called luck that is needed to win the Webb Ellis.
But the whole World Cup stuff is not really the target but more a line that gets bandied around because it’s always in the future.
I see what you are saying but Razors approach to backline selection in particular seems to demonstrate an appetite for coasting along on the fumes of the 10s rather than laying a foundation for the latter part of this decade.
If you look at a core of Rieko, Jordie, BB and Sevu Reece (all players who made their debuts in the 10s) they have accumulated 21 caps this season. An average of over 5 apiece. Id argue that only Jordie has shown the type of form to justify his place to that extent, the others are over capped relative to what they have produced.
Then contrast that with Leroy Carter and Narawa who have been given three caps in total this year. Their Super rugby form has merited more chances and they've actually managed two tries this year which is comparable to Reece and Rieko who managed 2 tries collectively in 9 starts, albeit Reece only lasted one minute v France in Dunedin. Another example: Ruben Love has a decent outing v France in Hamilton and Is never given a chance to play again until he is chucked on the wing with 15 minutes to go v the Springboks in Wellington, a jamb to the slaughter.
I just never seen any indication that Razor makes selection decisions with an eye to the future, he won't play a young, unproven player unless he absolutely has to. Instead he prefers to pick experienced players whose best days are behind them. In the long run I think that approach is going to be costly.
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In fact, maybe the best example of the strangeness of Razors selections is to look at how he uses Blues players.
The Blues players he does play get picked based on reputation (Rieko starts five matches at left wing despite not having played there for years, BB is an automatic selection at 10 even though he is playing poorly) whereas the likes of Papalii and Sotutu don't even get a chance.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean and I think that was also addressed earlier, the process was a big part of the problem with several potential candidates either not applying or ruling themselves out as they felt the decision had already been made.
I have no issues with Razor getting the job, if he was an amazing regional manager applying for the national manger job in a business, I doubt they tell him to go work for the opposition for a while and then come back when another role opens up in 2-4 years depending on their success.
What is an issue, is NZR have given him the full 4 years, one woudl hope this included a review after 18 months, 2 years or so, with an option to terminate if performance was not up to scratch, but despite having the opportunity to learn from those sort of mistakes they made with Foster, I expect the contract he has is 4 years come what may.
Given that, and this goal of his to win two World Cups with different teams, I would have expected him to be significantly less conservative in his approach and less afraid of losing in his first two years. He also could have used the goal of winning the World Cup to buy himself some forgiveness when things didn't go so well.
I actually think he had massive amounts of goodwill at the beginning of his tenure basically to toss out the Foster years and pick a bunch of up-and-coming kids. The results might not have been any better (not sure they would have been any worse) but the potential feel good factor about the future would have bought him another year of goodwill into 2025.
As it was, he basically picked Foster's team, publicly begged to be able to pick two more overseas based players from that team, played Foster rugby and got Foster results. Now, he has bugger all goodwill and people are starting to question whether he should continue in the job.
As Foster picked Ryan one could argue Foster moved to more of a Razor-style of coaching rather than vice versa.
Out of all of his assistants, Ryan is the only one currently justifying his place
Up until the last 2 tests he was. Our set piece was an abortion against the Boks.
If you take out one scrum the AB tight five had the better of Boks in AB1. Boks had a lot of lineouts stolen over the two tests, and maul negated.
I'd give set piece a B. But loosies in AB 2 were invisible in last 20 or so, after being good in AB1 so C- for them.
