All Blacks 2025
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
Who are the hardest running loose forwards in NZ?
As in full steam ahead in a straight line, no jinking.
Do we have any?Sounds like someone is searching for some Grace. No thanks
If he's the only one you can think of NZ is in trouble.
Can we get Kieran Read to come in and mentor someone on how to run it hard and straight ? ( and even at his absolute biggest he never clocked in more than 110kg or so )
Read wasn’t all power too, he had such a silky skill set. We miss having that combination
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
Who are the hardest running loose forwards in NZ?
As in full steam ahead in a straight line, no jinking.
Do we have any?Sounds like someone is searching for some Grace. No thanks
If he's the only one you can think of NZ is in trouble.
Can we get Kieran Read to come in and mentor someone on how to run it hard and straight ? ( and even at his absolute biggest he never clocked in more than 110kg or so )
Read wasn’t all power too, he had such a silky skill set. We miss having that combination
Yeah he was a fantastic hybrid on attack. I had my doubts the very first time he replaced the legendary JC in the All Blacks ( a skinny looking white guy vs a Polynesian powerhouse ) but he well and truly won me over.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Is some of the problem intent? I seem to recall Wallace running pretty hard in the games in SA last year for example. They just need to be told to run hard and straight by the coaches
I don't think so. Sititi was playing wider in the 6 role, so running against smaller guys typically. And he's a quick feet at the line guy, not a power runner. I think his worst test last year was at 8, even though that is supposedly his favoured position. Add that to being fast-tracked back from injury, and you have what we've got now.
Finau is probably the only guy who is big, powerful, fast enough to wind up and run straight at the defence and expect to make metres. I wouldn't be averse to giving him a run at 8 and just telling him to do that for 40 (and that Harry Wilson said he was a pussy), as I'm not convinced Vaai or Parker are dynamic or powerful enough. Wallace on a flank to play the wide role he did so well last year, Dalton or Blackadder on the other flank to hit rucks and make tackles. Savea to the bench, to come on and take up the captaincy when Taylor goes off. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Is some of the problem intent? I seem to recall Wallace running pretty hard in the games in SA last year for example. They just need to be told to run hard and straight by the coaches
I don't think so. Sititi was playing wider in the 6 role, so running against smaller guys typically. And he's a quick feet at the line guy, not a power runner. I think his worst test last year was at 8, even though that is supposedly his favoured position. Add that to being fast-tracked back from injury, and you have what we've got now.
Finau is probably the only guy who is big, powerful, fast enough to wind up and run straight at the defence and expect to make metres. I wouldn't be averse to giving him a run at 8 and just telling him to do that for 40 (and that Harry Wilson said he was a pussy), as I'm not convinced Vaai or Parker are dynamic or powerful enough. Wallace on a flank to play the wide role he did so well last year, Dalton or Blackadder on the other flank to hit rucks and make tackles. Savea to the bench, to come on and take up the captaincy when Taylor goes off.Really ?
I thought his selling point was all the big hits he makes on defence ( which he hasn’t really shown at test level )
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Is some of the problem intent? I seem to recall Wallace running pretty hard in the games in SA last year for example. They just need to be told to run hard and straight by the coaches
I don't think so. Sititi was playing wider in the 6 role, so running against smaller guys typically. And he's a quick feet at the line guy, not a power runner. I think his worst test last year was at 8, even though that is supposedly his favoured position. Add that to being fast-tracked back from injury, and you have what we've got now.
Finau is probably the only guy who is big, powerful, fast enough to wind up and run straight at the defence and expect to make metres. I wouldn't be averse to giving him a run at 8 and just telling him to do that for 40 (and that Harry Wilson said he was a pussy), as I'm not convinced Vaai or Parker are dynamic or powerful enough. Wallace on a flank to play the wide role he did so well last year, Dalton or Blackadder on the other flank to hit rucks and make tackles. Savea to the bench, to come on and take up the captaincy when Taylor goes off.Really ?
I thought his selling point was all the big hits he makes on defence ( which he hasn’t really shown at test level )
Well I am only talking about one thing: can you name someone who is as big and fast and powerful - who matches up with Wiese, Matera, Wilson?
Here are some who aren't: Savea, Sititi, Jacobson, Vaai, Parker, Kirifi, Lakai, Papalii, Blackadder, Lio-Willie, S Barrett. -
@reprobate Probably Miracle Fai’ilagi if he was eligible.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Well I am only talking about one thing: can you name someone who is as big and fast and powerful - who matches up with Wiese, Matera, Wilson?
Here are some who aren't: Savea, Sititi, Jacobson, Vaai, Parker, Kirifi, Lakai, Papalii, Blackadder, Lio-Willie, S Barrett.Akira Ioane
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate Probably Miracle Fai’ilagi if he was eligible.
Agree yep, but he's not. He and Tupou Ta'eiloa (sp?) - who might be too small for tests - are arguably the best ball runners in the country.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
Well I am only talking about one thing: can you name someone who is as big and fast and powerful - who matches up with Wiese, Matera, Wilson?
Here are some who aren't: Savea, Sititi, Jacobson, Vaai, Parker, Kirifi, Lakai, Papalii, Blackadder, Lio-Willie, S Barrett.Akira Ioane
Nah, he's definitely not that guy. Powerful absolutely, but as a ball runner he is a wrestler not a smasher - that's actually why I think Frizzell was preferred over him.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Is some of the problem intent? I seem to recall Wallace running pretty hard in the games in SA last year for example. They just need to be told to run hard and straight by the coaches
I don't think so. Sititi was playing wider in the 6 role, so running against smaller guys typically. And he's a quick feet at the line guy, not a power runner. I think his worst test last year was at 8, even though that is supposedly his favoured position. Add that to being fast-tracked back from injury, and you have what we've got now.
Finau is probably the only guy who is big, powerful, fast enough to wind up and run straight at the defence and expect to make metres. I wouldn't be averse to giving him a run at 8 and just telling him to do that for 40 (and that Harry Wilson said he was a pussy), as I'm not convinced Vaai or Parker are dynamic or powerful enough. Wallace on a flank to play the wide role he did so well last year, Dalton or Blackadder on the other flank to hit rucks and make tackles. Savea to the bench, to come on and take up the captaincy when Taylor goes off.Really ?
I thought his selling point was all the big hits he makes on defence ( which he hasn’t really shown at test level )
Well I am only talking about one thing: can you name someone who is as big and fast and powerful - who matches up with Wiese, Matera, Wilson?
Here are some who aren't: Savea, Sititi, Jacobson, Vaai, Parker, Kirifi, Lakai, Papalii, Blackadder, Lio-Willie, S Barrett.You put the best two ball runners first at least.....
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Is some of the problem intent? I seem to recall Wallace running pretty hard in the games in SA last year for example. They just need to be told to run hard and straight by the coaches
I don't think so. Sititi was playing wider in the 6 role, so running against smaller guys typically. And he's a quick feet at the line guy, not a power runner. I think his worst test last year was at 8, even though that is supposedly his favoured position. Add that to being fast-tracked back from injury, and you have what we've got now.
Finau is probably the only guy who is big, powerful, fast enough to wind up and run straight at the defence and expect to make metres. I wouldn't be averse to giving him a run at 8 and just telling him to do that for 40 (and that Harry Wilson said he was a pussy), as I'm not convinced Vaai or Parker are dynamic or powerful enough. Wallace on a flank to play the wide role he did so well last year, Dalton or Blackadder on the other flank to hit rucks and make tackles. Savea to the bench, to come on and take up the captaincy when Taylor goes off.Really ?
I thought his selling point was all the big hits he makes on defence ( which he hasn’t really shown at test level )
Well I am only talking about one thing: can you name someone who is as big and fast and powerful - who matches up with Wiese, Matera, Wilson?
Here are some who aren't: Savea, Sititi, Jacobson, Vaai, Parker, Kirifi, Lakai, Papalii, Blackadder, Lio-Willie, S Barrett.You put the best two ball runners first at least.....
Yeah, and they're both small and not power runners. Wallace is quick feet, and Ardie is all about leg drive after the hit. He doesn't wind up and get momentum, and in fact this often stalls attacking momentum by taking 10 seconds to go to ground for 1m gain, allowing the defence to reset.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
A brother, Marco I think. He was big too, but not as big as Alex.
The Argentine scrum back then was legendary, in fact you could probably say that they were the inspiration for the modern day power scrum.
They could play back then too. Beat SA at Bloemfontein in '82.
Hugo Porta scored all the points.Porta held the international points scoring record for some time.
I remember around 1979 one NZ provincial scrum, possibly Manawatu, lifting Pumas props into air, and then engaging directly with Pumas second row, which proceeded to shove them backwards.
The Pumas locks in those days were beasts in scrum, although not so flash come lineout time.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
can you name someone who is as big and fast and powerful - who matches up with Wiese, Matera, Wilson?
I was replying to "can you name someone who is as big and fast and powerful - who matches up with Wiese, Matera, Wilson?"
Now you want a particular type of running.
I recall Akira smashing into Australia, taking 7 lineout balls against Argentina, and standing up to Kremer.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
can you name someone who is as big and fast and powerful - who matches up with Wiese, Matera, Wilson?
I was replying to "can you name someone who is as big and fast and powerful - who matches up with Wiese, Matera, Wilson?"
Now you want a particular type of running.
I recall Akira smashing into Australia, taking 7 lineout balls against Argentina, and standing up to Kremer.
Now tell me that sort of thing wouldn't help.Never said he wouldn't help, but the conversation is about the lack of a power ball runner in the loosies. Akira, for all his strengths, does not run like those 3 guys.
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I thought that was Parker's job but I haven't seen it and Sititi isn't last year's version.
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@nostrildamus Parker prior to this year I remember copping a bit of shit for not going hard enough into contact - big frame, bit soft. I don't think he's soft myself at all, and think he was pretty good in Super rugby, but I'm not sure he's got the explosiveness/pace to sit guys on their arse with ball in hand at test level.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
Is some of the problem intent? I seem to recall Wallace running pretty hard in the games in SA last year for example. They just need to be told to run hard and straight by the coaches
I don't think so. Sititi was playing wider in the 6 role, so running against smaller guys typically. And he's a quick feet at the line guy, not a power runner. I think his worst test last year was at 8, even though that is supposedly his favoured position. Add that to being fast-tracked back from injury, and you have what we've got now.
Finau is probably the only guy who is big, powerful, fast enough to wind up and run straight at the defence and expect to make metres. I wouldn't be averse to giving him a run at 8 and just telling him to do that for 40 (and that Harry Wilson said he was a pussy), as I'm not convinced Vaai or Parker are dynamic or powerful enough. Wallace on a flank to play the wide role he did so well last year, Dalton or Blackadder on the other flank to hit rucks and make tackles. Savea to the bench, to come on and take up the captaincy when Taylor goes off.Really ?
I thought his selling point was all the big hits he makes on defence ( which he hasn’t really shown at test level )
Well I am only talking about one thing: can you name someone who is as big and fast and powerful - who matches up with Wiese, Matera, Wilson?
Here are some who aren't: Savea, Sititi, Jacobson, Vaai, Parker, Kirifi, Lakai, Papalii, Blackadder, Lio-Willie, S Barrett.You put the best two ball runners first at least.....
Yeah, and they're both small and not power runners. Wallace is quick feet, and Ardie is all about leg drive after the hit. He doesn't wind up and get momentum, and in fact this often stalls attacking momentum by taking 10 seconds to go to ground for 1m gain, allowing the defence to reset.
Are you rating Sititi before or after he put on the 20kg he supposedly did ?
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Akira is the only player that really fits the bill at 6. He had also sorted out his off-field issues and was hitting his absolute prime age wise, hence him spending his last year in NZ bitch slapping every other loosie around. Oh but Jason Ryan and Scott Robertson know better! Can't have a player they don't like personally in the squad!! Let's just pick light weights instead, that'll work out just great.
