All Blacks 2025
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@hikastags said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
Who are the hardest running loose forwards in NZ?
As in full steam ahead in a straight line, no jinking.
Do we have any?Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa, Brayden Iose, Dom Gardiner, Cam Christie come to mind.
Josh Beehre is pretty straight ahead.
Slightly undersized high workrate locks like him should look at playing 6 at international level. -
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
@hikastags said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
Who are the hardest running loose forwards in NZ?
As in full steam ahead in a straight line, no jinking.
Do we have any?Semisi Tupou Ta'eiloa, Brayden Iose, Dom Gardiner, Cam Christie come to mind.
Josh Beehre is pretty straight ahead.
Slightly undersized high workrate locks like him should look at playing 6 at international level.I was wondering about him.
He's about Patrick's size though, isn't he? Minus 2 kg. -
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
two runs a game for 75% gainline,
Is that possible?
Firstly, shut up pedant.
Secondly, yeah, if he plays 4 games, has 8 runs over those games, and gets over the gain line 6 times.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus Parker prior to this year I remember copping a bit of shit for not going hard enough into contact - big frame, bit soft. I don't think he's soft myself at all, and think he was pretty good in Super rugby, but I'm not sure he's got the explosiveness/pace to sit guys on their arse with ball in hand at test level.
Eddie Jones was rhapsodising over Parker’s clean outs in first half of Bled 1. The recipients certainly stayed cleaned!
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@Kruse said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Personally I think we should have some players that compliment each other.
Oh Codie, that was such a great throw-in.
Great carry Scooter!
You're the man Ardie!Great haircut Beauden.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Kruse said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Personally I think we should have some players that compliment each other.
Oh Codie, that was such a great throw-in.
Great carry Scooter!
You're the man Ardie!Great haircut
BeaudenRazor.
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I’ve noticed that 85% of AB backline moves involve NOT passing to Proctor. It doesn’t take a genius to work out that on that basis he’s never going to be an attacking threat.
Hell, in that case they might as well reinstate Rieko and benefit from his superior defence! -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Kruse said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
Personally I think we should have some players that compliment each other.
Oh Codie, that was such a great throw-in.
Great carry Scooter!
You're the man Ardie!Great haircut
BeaudenRazor.
ThanksJordieBeaudie. -
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
I’ve noticed that 85% of AB backline moves involve NOT passing to Proctor. It doesn’t take a genius to work out that on that basis he’s never going to be an attacking threat.
Hell, in that case they might as well reinstate Rieko and benefit from his superior defence!it was the same when Rieko started, not sure people are only now seeing it
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Eddie Jones was rhapsodising over Parker’s clean outs in first half of Bled 1. The recipients certainly stayed cleaned!
Well Eddie should know, he certainly delivered devastating cleanouts at/of the Wallabies.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
I’ve noticed that 85% of AB backline moves involve NOT passing to Proctor. It doesn’t take a genius to work out that on that basis he’s never going to be an attacking threat.
Hell, in that case they might as well reinstate Rieko and benefit from his superior defence!For real.
When you rewatch tests it's one of the first things you notice - I swear players actively avoid passing to him even if he is the best option. In Wellington v the Boks Jordan I think it was had the ball and he had Proctor outside him and then Carter outside him. He skipped Proctor (which was the easiest and correct pass) and instead passed it to Carter's ankles for a knock on.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
I’ve noticed that 85% of AB backline moves involve NOT passing to Proctor. It doesn’t take a genius to work out that on that basis he’s never going to be an attacking threat.
Hell, in that case they might as well reinstate Rieko and benefit from his superior defence!For real.
When you rewatch tests it's one of the first things you notice - I swear players actively avoid passing to him even if he is the best option. In Wellington v the Boks Jordan I think it was had the ball and he had Proctor outside him and then Carter outside him. He skipped Proctor (which was the easiest and correct pass) and instead passed it to Carter's ankles for a knock on.
Reminds me of anothher whinge, the use of skip passes when hands are the better option. Increasingly noticeable how often we do this, and how often the defender slides out to comfortably cover
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For what it's worth Proctor is ranked 10th for ball involvements this year (carry or pass or kick)
217 Beauden Barrett
210 Cortez Ratima
191 Finlay Christie
177 Cam Roigard
159 Ardie Savea
149 Damian Mckenzie
144 Jordie Barrett
128 Will Jordan
86 Fabian Holland
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@voodoo it was similar to pre-2023 when Smith was barely runnimg, he kicked, he passed, and was very easy to see what he was doing, so defence was able to respond accordingly, we looked far more dangerous when he bought back some running to his game.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
For what it's worth Proctor is ranked 10th for ball involvements this year (carry or pass or kick)
217 Beauden Barrett
210 Cortez Ratima
191 Finlay Christie
177 Cam Roigard
159 Ardie Savea
149 Damian Mckenzie
144 Jordie Barrett
128 Will Jordan
86 Fabian Holland
67 Billy ProctorThose are encouraging stats in that 2 of the 3 top 3 most involved players are reserve halfbacks. If Roigard was clear #1 on that list the ABs may well have only one loss. Now, imagine if there was a 13 heavily involved in attack, same thing applies.
My overall point being, this team is not operating nesr it's ceiling.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
For what it's worth Proctor is ranked 10th for ball involvements this year (carry or pass or kick)
217 Beauden Barrett
210 Cortez Ratima
191 Finlay Christie
177 Cam Roigard
159 Ardie Savea
149 Damian Mckenzie
144 Jordie Barrett
128 Will Jordan
86 Fabian Holland
67 Billy ProctorThose are encouraging stats in that 2 of the 3 top 3 most involved players are reserve halfbacks. If Roigard was clear #1 on that list the ABs may well have only one loss. Now, imagine if there was a 13 heavily involved in attack, same thing applies.
My overall point being, this team is not operating nesr it's ceiling.
Well the attack and the defence were close to the worst in the comp based on the first 4 games so one would hope that it wasn't near the ceiling.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
For what it's worth Proctor is ranked 10th for ball involvements this year (carry or pass or kick)
217 Beauden Barrett
210 Cortez Ratima
191 Finlay Christie
177 Cam Roigard
159 Ardie Savea
149 Damian Mckenzie
144 Jordie Barrett
128 Will Jordan
86 Fabian Holland
67 Billy ProctorThose are encouraging stats in that 2 of the 3 top 3 most involved players are reserve halfbacks. If Roigard was clear #1 on that list the ABs may well have only one loss. Now, imagine if there was a 13 heavily involved in attack, same thing applies.
My overall point being, this team is not operating nesr it's ceiling.
Well the attack and the defence were close to the worst in the comp based on the first 4 games so one would hope that it wasn't near the ceiling.
True, I I still think the defence is pretty poor and I'm not sure how easy it will be to improve. Attack wise though the team can definitely go up another couple of gears....
The biggest discrepancy is the gap between involvements from Barrett and Proctor. One is overly involved, the other too peripheral.
