All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II
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@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Would upvote this twice if I could. The glaring structural issues with the coaching should have been flagged and rectified by the High Performance Director. (Unless Robertson had them over a barrel.)
We have a High Performance Director?
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@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Agree with the general sentiment about the makeup of the loose forwards. But individually I thought Lakai was fine if in the last game. He made post contact metres in heavy traffic, his detail around ball presentation and body positioning was spot on. Granted he got limited chances but seemed up to the physical stuff in that sample. Let's how he goes against the bigger bodies the Wobs have returning this week.
Agree I have high hopes for Lakai, he's a significant upgrade on Kirifi and this years version of Sititi (who really needed to go back to NPC to get some minutes/form under his belt). The problem, as always for some reason, is the balance of the loosies. I don't know why they can't get that right, even ignoring the obvious Blues players they have snubbed we should be able to get a much better balanced trio on the park. Oh and Ardie has been an abject failure at 7, which is hardly surprising given what we need from a 7 in the modern game vs what he brings to the table.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Agree with the general sentiment about the makeup of the loose forwards. But individually I thought Lakai was fine if in the last game. He made post contact metres in heavy traffic, his detail around ball presentation and body positioning was spot on. Granted he got limited chances but seemed up to the physical stuff in that sample. Let's how he goes against the bigger bodies the Wobs have returning this week.
Agree I have high hopes for Lakai, he's a significant upgrade on Kirifi and this years version of Sititi (who really needed to go back to NPC to get some minutes/form under his belt). The problem, as always for some reason, is the balance of the loosies. I don't know why they can't get that right, even ignoring the obvious Blues players they have snubbed we should be able to get a much better balanced trio on the park. Oh and Ardie has been an abject failure at 7, which is hardly surprising given what we need from a 7 in the modern game vs what he brings to the table.
But what about his one or two highlight reel moments that get the media and fans frothing?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Agree with the general sentiment about the makeup of the loose forwards. But individually I thought Lakai was fine if in the last game. He made post contact metres in heavy traffic, his detail around ball presentation and body positioning was spot on. Granted he got limited chances but seemed up to the physical stuff in that sample. Let's how he goes against the bigger bodies the Wobs have returning this week.
Agree I have high hopes for Lakai, he's a significant upgrade on Kirifi and this years version of Sititi (who really needed to go back to NPC to get some minutes/form under his belt). The problem, as always for some reason, is the balance of the loosies. I don't know why they can't get that right, even ignoring the obvious Blues players they have snubbed we should be able to get a much better balanced trio on the park. Oh and Ardie has been an abject failure at 7, which is hardly surprising given what we need from a 7 in the modern game vs what he brings to the table.
Savea is an obvious issue because he's the size he is and he plays the way he plays, rather than the way you want an openside or number eight to play and he avoids doing a lot of the hard work. Players in other positions need to make up for his deficiencies to achieve a balance and that means they'd need to play a different way to their natural game or the traditional style of whatever position they're playing and they need to be on the larger side too. Move on from Savea, or at least stick him on the bench, and I suspect finding the right balance would become a lot easier.
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So, I've been a bit too busy to read this thread until now. Is Proctor dropped, and if so, why have they gone with a 12 to replace him? Just put RI back in for his defence. After all, we now know that the problem at centre was less him and more the team structure after Proctor didn't set the world on fire. Or why not put St Leicester the Baptist there, after all his fanbois have been suggesting he was immense there up Norf.
Just give Tupaea a run at 12. A Barrett can spend a bit of time on the bench (other than for injury), even if he is the best of them currently.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Nepia for DMac's sake I'm glad he will be book ended by Cam and Jordie. It's all up to him now to show he can control the cutter with the top guys around him
Well hopefully Jordie's early AB season form returns ....
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Agree with the general sentiment about the makeup of the loose forwards. But individually I thought Lakai was fine if in the last game. He made post contact metres in heavy traffic, his detail around ball presentation and body positioning was spot on. Granted he got limited chances but seemed up to the physical stuff in that sample. Let's how he goes against the bigger bodies the Wobs have returning this week.
Agree I have high hopes for Lakai, he's a significant upgrade on Kirifi and this years version of Sititi (who really needed to go back to NPC to get some minutes/form under his belt). The problem, as always for some reason, is the balance of the loosies. I don't know why they can't get that right, even ignoring the obvious Blues players they have snubbed we should be able to get a much better balanced trio on the park. Oh and Ardie has been an abject failure at 7, which is hardly surprising given what we need from a 7 in the modern game vs what he brings to the table.
Savea is an obvious issue because he's the size he is and he plays the way he plays, rather than the way you want an openside or number eight to play and he avoids doing a lot of the hard work. Players in other positions need to make up for his deficiencies to achieve a balance and that means they'd need to play a different way to their natural game or the traditional style of whatever position they're playing and they need to be on the larger side too. Move on from Savea, or at least stick him on the bench, and I suspect finding the right balance would become a lot easier.
Yeah agree, I've wanted him on the bench for years now. Not because I think he's a bad player, just that he would be an absolute fucking weapon to bring on with 30 to go. But that'll never happen because we don't tend to view our bench as a weapon, we just want to stack it with jacks of all trades to cover every single possible injury scenario. I would love it if we could move away from the idea of someone being put on the bench being "dropped" or "demoted" - the modern game is a 23 man game, SA have understood that for years.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Agree with the general sentiment about the makeup of the loose forwards. But individually I thought Lakai was fine if in the last game. He made post contact metres in heavy traffic, his detail around ball presentation and body positioning was spot on. Granted he got limited chances but seemed up to the physical stuff in that sample. Let's how he goes against the bigger bodies the Wobs have returning this week.
Agree I have high hopes for Lakai, he's a significant upgrade on Kirifi and this years version of Sititi (who really needed to go back to NPC to get some minutes/form under his belt). The problem, as always for some reason, is the balance of the loosies. I don't know why they can't get that right, even ignoring the obvious Blues players they have snubbed we should be able to get a much better balanced trio on the park. Oh and Ardie has been an abject failure at 7, which is hardly surprising given what we need from a 7 in the modern game vs what he brings to the table.
Savea is an obvious issue because he's the size he is and he plays the way he plays, rather than the way you want an openside or number eight to play and he avoids doing a lot of the hard work. Players in other positions need to make up for his deficiencies to achieve a balance and that means they'd need to play a different way to their natural game or the traditional style of whatever position they're playing and they need to be on the larger side too. Move on from Savea, or at least stick him on the bench, and I suspect finding the right balance would become a lot easier.
Yeah agree, I've wanted him on the bench for years now. Not because I think he's a bad player, just that he would be an absolute fucking weapon to bring on with 30 to go. But that'll never happen because we don't tend to view our bench as a weapon, we just want to stack it with jacks of all trades to cover every single possible injury scenario. I would love it if we could move away from the idea of someone being put on the bench being "dropped" or "demoted" - the modern game is a 23 man game, SA have understood that for years.
A bench filled with ALB and Jacobsen flavoured vanilla instead of ( insert amazing ice cream flavour here )
Razor should be blatantly stealing everything he can off Erasmus but is unable or unwilling to.
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Ioane on the bench sits better with me than ALB, he may show some vigor especially if he gets on to replace proctor
I actually missed the Tupaea at 13 over proctor when I first looked at the team
More confused now as i really do not see QT as anything more than a stop gap at 13- at 12 yes but 13 no
Desperation? Or have the panel run out of ideas?
Will they change to LF and push QT out of the reckoning as he didn't perform at 13?
I hope he nails it and gives them another problem.
Really lost confidence in this coaching set up feel like there could be a lot going on that the public don't know about...agendas etc -
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Agree with the general sentiment about the makeup of the loose forwards. But individually I thought Lakai was fine if in the last game. He made post contact metres in heavy traffic, his detail around ball presentation and body positioning was spot on. Granted he got limited chances but seemed up to the physical stuff in that sample. Let's how he goes against the bigger bodies the Wobs have returning this week.
Agree I have high hopes for Lakai, he's a significant upgrade on Kirifi and this years version of Sititi (who really needed to go back to NPC to get some minutes/form under his belt). The problem, as always for some reason, is the balance of the loosies. I don't know why they can't get that right, even ignoring the obvious Blues players they have snubbed we should be able to get a much better balanced trio on the park. Oh and Ardie has been an abject failure at 7, which is hardly surprising given what we need from a 7 in the modern game vs what he brings to the table.
Savea is an obvious issue because he's the size he is and he plays the way he plays, rather than the way you want an openside or number eight to play and he avoids doing a lot of the hard work. Players in other positions need to make up for his deficiencies to achieve a balance and that means they'd need to play a different way to their natural game or the traditional style of whatever position they're playing and they need to be on the larger side too. Move on from Savea, or at least stick him on the bench, and I suspect finding the right balance would become a lot easier.
Yeah agree, I've wanted him on the bench for years now. Not because I think he's a bad player, just that he would be an absolute fucking weapon to bring on with 30 to go. But that'll never happen because we don't tend to view our bench as a weapon, we just want to stack it with jacks of all trades to cover every single possible injury scenario. I would love it if we could move away from the idea of someone being put on the bench being "dropped" or "demoted" - the modern game is a 23 man game, SA have understood that for years.
Savea might even get through as much work in 30 minutes as he does in 80. Not needing to 'pace himself', i.e. avoid hitting rucks and making tackles, he might be able to go all out, do the hard work and still get his highlights in.
I agree about the use of the bench in general and would add that bench players don't need to play fewer minutes than those starting. I'm not necessarily advocating for this but just as an example, rather than starting Roigard, waiting for him to fade, then having to bring on a massive downgrade with Ratima and make the last quarter much easier for the opposition, they could start Ratima and bring Roigard on before half time, leaving him with more in the tank to go up against tired opposition at the end of the game.
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Ioane on the bench sits better with me than ALB, he may show some vigor especially if he gets on to replace proctor
I actually missed the Tupaea at 13 over proctor when I first looked at the team
More confused now as i really do not see QT as anything more than a stop gap at 13- at 12 yes but 13 no
Desperation? Or have the panel run out of ideas?
Will they change to LF and push QT out of the reckoning as he didn't perform at 13?
I hope he nails it and gives them another problem.
Really lost confidence in this coaching set up feel like there could be a lot going on that the public don't know about...agendas etcThe below is what Razor said of the Proctor omission, I don't buy it, the players have enough rest weeks.
“Billy is banged up,” coach Scott Robertson said of his omission.
“He’s had five tests in a row and he’s been awesome and has got better with the time on the stage but the body just needs a chance to freshen up"
“It’s a great chance for Quinn, who has had a couple of good cameos and is ready to go.”
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I still believe that Lakai's future in the ABs will be as a 7 but it would be good to have an openside that puts more pressure on the opposition breakdown. Savea only wins turnovers defending near his own goal line and is AWOL any other time.
Yup. Ardie is all about the spectacular play in the last minute of a game or near the goal line but you need someone doing that throughout the game, all over the pitch. Ardie has great moments, superb moments but it seems like it's here and there rather than stacking them all throughout the game.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Ioane on the bench sits better with me than ALB, he may show some vigor especially if he gets on to replace proctor
I actually missed the Tupaea at 13 over proctor when I first looked at the team
More confused now as i really do not see QT as anything more than a stop gap at 13- at 12 yes but 13 no
Desperation? Or have the panel run out of ideas?
Will they change to LF and push QT out of the reckoning as he didn't perform at 13?
I hope he nails it and gives them another problem.
Really lost confidence in this coaching set up feel like there could be a lot going on that the public don't know about...agendas etcThe below is what Razor said of the Proctor omission, I don't buy it, the players have enough rest weeks.
“Billy is banged up,” coach Scott Robertson said of his omission.
“He’s had five tests in a row and he’s been awesome and has got better with the time on the stage but the body just needs a chance to freshen up"
“It’s a great chance for Quinn, who has had a couple of good cameos and is ready to go.”
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Ioane on the bench sits better with me than ALB, he may show some vigor especially if he gets on to replace proctor
I actually missed the Tupaea at 13 over proctor when I first looked at the team
More confused now as i really do not see QT as anything more than a stop gap at 13- at 12 yes but 13 no
Desperation? Or have the panel run out of ideas?
Will they change to LF and push QT out of the reckoning as he didn't perform at 13?
I hope he nails it and gives them another problem.
Really lost confidence in this coaching set up feel like there could be a lot going on that the public don't know about...agendas etcThe below is what Razor said of the Proctor omission, I don't buy it, the players have enough rest weeks.
“Billy is banged up,” coach Scott Robertson said of his omission.
“He’s had five tests in a row and he’s been awesome and has got better with the time on the stage but the body just needs a chance to freshen up"
“It’s a great chance for Quinn, who has had a couple of good cameos and is ready to go.”
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Which means we are currently phasing him out of the squad...unless we have a huge injury crisis then we will call him back and he will be awesome for us again
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@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Ioane on the bench sits better with me than ALB, he may show some vigor especially if he gets on to replace proctor
I actually missed the Tupaea at 13 over proctor when I first looked at the team
More confused now as i really do not see QT as anything more than a stop gap at 13- at 12 yes but 13 no
Desperation? Or have the panel run out of ideas?
Will they change to LF and push QT out of the reckoning as he didn't perform at 13?
I hope he nails it and gives them another problem.
Really lost confidence in this coaching set up feel like there could be a lot going on that the public don't know about...agendas etcThe below is what Razor said of the Proctor omission, I don't buy it, the players have enough rest weeks.
“Billy is banged up,” coach Scott Robertson said of his omission.
“He’s had five tests in a row and he’s been awesome and has got better with the time on the stage but the body just needs a chance to freshen up"
“It’s a great chance for Quinn, who has had a couple of good cameos and is ready to go.”
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Which means we are currently phasing him out of the squad...unless we have a huge injury crisis then we will call him back and he will be awesome for us again
It’ll be awesome when Beauden Barrett gets over his injury
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@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
So, I've been a bit too busy to read this thread until now. Is Proctor dropped, and if so, why have they gone with a 12 to replace him? Just put RI back in for his defence. After all, we now know that the problem at centre was less him and more the team structure after Proctor didn't set the world on fire. Or why not put St Leicester the Baptist there, after all his fanbois have been suggesting he was immense there up Norf.
Just give Tupaea a run at 12. A Barrett can spend a bit of time on the bench (other than for injury), even if he is the best of them currently.
If they are giving Quinn a run at 13 not because they see him as the solution but just to see how he goes as insurance ,
That worries me , I remember Henry doing the same thing with mcalister and it turned out to be a disaster.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
So, I've been a bit too busy to read this thread until now. Is Proctor dropped, and if so, why have they gone with a 12 to replace him? Just put RI back in for his defence. After all, we now know that the problem at centre was less him and more the team structure after Proctor didn't set the world on fire. Or why not put St Leicester the Baptist there, after all his fanbois have been suggesting he was immense there up Norf.
Just give Tupaea a run at 12. A Barrett can spend a bit of time on the bench (other than for injury), even if he is the best of them currently.
If they are giving Quinn a run at 13 not because they see him as the solution but just to see how he goes as insurance ,
That worries me , I remember Henry doing the same thing with mcalister and it turned out to be a disaster.
The way I see it he offers more in robust attack than Proctor and he surely can’t be any worse in defensive positioning.
But yeah, the whole situation is not ideal. Cupboard is pretty bare.
