All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Poor old Scott Barrett got lambasted twice !
Scott Hansen. And Scooter. Two separate people
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Lakai at least hit some rucks and tackled with intent last week. Sititi has been extremely poor in that regard this season.
dont know if i would describe them as hit. i saw him arrive at some rucks and missed 20% of his tackes 1miss four tackels
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I thought Holland was more in charge of strike plays
We have strike plays?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Poor old Scott Barrett got lambasted twice !
Scott Hansen. And Scooter. Two separate people
Have we ever seen them together?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Poor old Scott Barrett got lambasted twice !
Scott Hansen. And Scooter. Two separate people
Ah yes. On closer inspection you've clearly lambasted the coaches first and then the players
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Poor old Scott Barrett got lambasted twice !
Scott Hansen. And Scooter. Two separate people
Ah yes. On closer inspection you've clearly lambasted the coaches first and then the players
my stream of consciousness abuse. There are people missing. But screw it, that's where I was with my lived experience.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Poor old Scott Barrett got lambasted twice !
Scott Hansen. And Scooter. Two separate people
Ah yes. On closer inspection you've clearly lambasted the coaches first and then the players
my stream of consciousness abuse. There are people missing. But screw it, that's where I was with my lived experience.
Jordie will be pretty happy at the Barrett Xmas do that he missed a roasting
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Poor old Scott Barrett got lambasted twice !
Scott Hansen. And Scooter. Two separate people
On a simialr note I feel sorry for Fabian, the amount of shit Holland gets ...
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Tamati Ellison should have been moved on straight away following the record loss and there were players for whom that should have been their last game for the All Blacks based purely on the lack of effort being put in. Instead, they promoted one of those players, who was walking on defence and kicking the ball away within his own 22, to captain for the next game and they act like everything is absolutely fine. Robertson has a bad case of main character syndrome and thinks everything will just fall in place for him like he's some kind of Mary Sue in a poorly-written movie.
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Agree with the general sentiment about the makeup of the loose forwards. But individually I thought Lakai was fine if in the last game. He made post contact metres in heavy traffic, his detail around ball presentation and body positioning was spot on. Granted he got limited chances but seemed up to the physical stuff in that sample. Let's how he goes against the bigger bodies the Wobs have returning this week.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Would upvote this twice if I could. The glaring structural issues with the coaching should have been flagged and rectified by the High Performance Director. (Unless Robertson had them over a barrel.)
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Tamati Ellison should have been moved on straight away following the record loss and there were players for whom that should have been their last game for the All Blacks based purely on the lack of effort being put in. Instead, they promoted one of those players, who was walking on defence and kicking the ball away within his own 22, to captain for the next game and they act like everything is absolutely fine. Robertson has a bad case of main character syndrome and thinks everything will just fall in place for him like he's some kind of Mary Sue in a poorly-written movie.
I can’t remember the exact circumstances given my age at the time but Buck Shelford got dropped after the All Blacks only narrowly defeated one of the best Scotland teams of all time. Not to mention the clean out after the 1991 WC ( Whetton brothers both dropped if I remember rightly ? )
Fair to say Beaudie and Ardie wouldn’t have survived those times.
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@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Would upvote this twice if I could. The glaring structural issues with the coaching should have been flagged and rectified by the High Performance Director. (Unless Robertson had them over a barrel.)
We have a High Performance Director?
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@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Agree with the general sentiment about the makeup of the loose forwards. But individually I thought Lakai was fine if in the last game. He made post contact metres in heavy traffic, his detail around ball presentation and body positioning was spot on. Granted he got limited chances but seemed up to the physical stuff in that sample. Let's how he goes against the bigger bodies the Wobs have returning this week.
Agree I have high hopes for Lakai, he's a significant upgrade on Kirifi and this years version of Sititi (who really needed to go back to NPC to get some minutes/form under his belt). The problem, as always for some reason, is the balance of the loosies. I don't know why they can't get that right, even ignoring the obvious Blues players they have snubbed we should be able to get a much better balanced trio on the park. Oh and Ardie has been an abject failure at 7, which is hardly surprising given what we need from a 7 in the modern game vs what he brings to the table.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Agree with the general sentiment about the makeup of the loose forwards. But individually I thought Lakai was fine if in the last game. He made post contact metres in heavy traffic, his detail around ball presentation and body positioning was spot on. Granted he got limited chances but seemed up to the physical stuff in that sample. Let's how he goes against the bigger bodies the Wobs have returning this week.
Agree I have high hopes for Lakai, he's a significant upgrade on Kirifi and this years version of Sititi (who really needed to go back to NPC to get some minutes/form under his belt). The problem, as always for some reason, is the balance of the loosies. I don't know why they can't get that right, even ignoring the obvious Blues players they have snubbed we should be able to get a much better balanced trio on the park. Oh and Ardie has been an abject failure at 7, which is hardly surprising given what we need from a 7 in the modern game vs what he brings to the table.
But what about his one or two highlight reel moments that get the media and fans frothing?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Agree with the general sentiment about the makeup of the loose forwards. But individually I thought Lakai was fine if in the last game. He made post contact metres in heavy traffic, his detail around ball presentation and body positioning was spot on. Granted he got limited chances but seemed up to the physical stuff in that sample. Let's how he goes against the bigger bodies the Wobs have returning this week.
Agree I have high hopes for Lakai, he's a significant upgrade on Kirifi and this years version of Sititi (who really needed to go back to NPC to get some minutes/form under his belt). The problem, as always for some reason, is the balance of the loosies. I don't know why they can't get that right, even ignoring the obvious Blues players they have snubbed we should be able to get a much better balanced trio on the park. Oh and Ardie has been an abject failure at 7, which is hardly surprising given what we need from a 7 in the modern game vs what he brings to the table.
Savea is an obvious issue because he's the size he is and he plays the way he plays, rather than the way you want an openside or number eight to play and he avoids doing a lot of the hard work. Players in other positions need to make up for his deficiencies to achieve a balance and that means they'd need to play a different way to their natural game or the traditional style of whatever position they're playing and they need to be on the larger side too. Move on from Savea, or at least stick him on the bench, and I suspect finding the right balance would become a lot easier.
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So, I've been a bit too busy to read this thread until now. Is Proctor dropped, and if so, why have they gone with a 12 to replace him? Just put RI back in for his defence. After all, we now know that the problem at centre was less him and more the team structure after Proctor didn't set the world on fire. Or why not put St Leicester the Baptist there, after all his fanbois have been suggesting he was immense there up Norf.
Just give Tupaea a run at 12. A Barrett can spend a bit of time on the bench (other than for injury), even if he is the best of them currently.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Nepia for DMac's sake I'm glad he will be book ended by Cam and Jordie. It's all up to him now to show he can control the cutter with the top guys around him
Well hopefully Jordie's early AB season form returns ....
