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    Nepia
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    @Chris-B said in Exodus:

    @Nepia said in Exodus:

    FFS @Chris-B, what's going on? Ta$man is fucking broken. A couple of years back you let Taumoefolau go to Tonga and now every decent young player in the franchise (yeah I said it, you're a franchise) is going to league. Is this what happens when you spend up on out of towners and Cantabs for the benefit of the Crusaders?

    Is there even a league comp in Ta$man?

    We tried to keep Harry, but he decided he wanted a bigger yacht than Will Jordan!

    A case of an Inch taking a mile!

    You do know money thing is total bullshit perpetuated by morons, right? 🙂

    Not sure how he's going to get that playing Jersey Flegg. Or does he just think that league is so easy any Ta$man-ian can become Simon Mannering?

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    mohikamo
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    @Nepia

    Simon Mannering smashed the glass for rugby league at Nelson College.

    I think Inch could play 6 or 7 in league.
    Those positions are very well remunerated in the NRL.
    And not just that; if you cut it, you can have a very long career (Reynolds/Foran/DCL)
    By 28 there will be 38 of those positions needing to be filled.

    And if it doesn’t work out, he can switch back to rugby union.

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    @Chris-B said in Exodus:

    You do know money thing is total bullshit perpetuated by morons, right?

    If you are talking about Ta$man, you are right.

    This is the rank of PU’s by annual revenue for 2024.
    All the numbers should be on the public record; but I haven’t been able to find them all.
    A lot of PUs just highlight whether they are in the black or not.
    But got enough to figure out the basic order.

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    Educated guestimates.
    1 and 2 are over $10 mil.
    3, 4 and 5 are over $5 mil.
    6 to 11; between $4 mil and $5 mil.
    12, 13 and 14; just under $4 mil.

    Tazman seem to get excellent value for their connection to the Crusaders franchise.

    And just for the record, the Heartland PUs.

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    Those above the line, would be over a $1 mil (but less than $2 mil).
    Those below the line; less than $1 mil.

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    @mohikamo I know I'm right.

    The data all used to be presented in those State of the Union reports.

    There were just a bunch of sorry-arse idiots on here who decided to troll me after Ta$man won the title in 2019!

    It's why there's still a $ sign in Ta$man when you type it.

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    wrote last edited by Steven Harris
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    Jordon Trainor has opted out of a wider training contract with the Crusaders and is heading back to the MLR was with Utahs Warriors for the 24/25 season but it would not suprise me if he ends up New England Free Jacks given whom the coach is
    Will be back in Cambridge Blue for 2026

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    McLeod (Canterbury/Crusaders) got a proposal from Clermont last week. He does not seem to have given his answer yet.

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    @cgrant said in Exodus:

    McLeod (Canterbury/Crusaders) got a proposal from Clermont last week. He does not seem to have given his answer yet.

    Clermont becoming the 1 Test AB side if this did happen.

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    @Daffy-Jaffy Shag & Foz love signing up Kiwi's to their team Zach Gallagher, Josh Dickson, Isaiah Mapusua, Blair Ryall, Aaron Smith, Tiaan Falcon, Aidan Morgan, Mark Telea etc.

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    @mikedogz ffs

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    An indication that a WTG contract still won't be enough to keep some players in NZ.

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    @Grooter said in Exodus:

    @Daffy-Jaffy Shag & Foz love signing up Kiwi's to their team Zach Gallagher, Josh Dickson, Isaiah Mapusua, Blair Ryall, Aaron Smith, Tiaan Falcon, Aidan Morgan, Mark Telea etc.

    with ex-AB coaches like these, who needs enemies?

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    Well worth a read.

    Game is supposedly more interesting to younger players (ball in play etc.), pays more, and has an easier to understand pathway. According to the article, Super salaries have not grown since the early 2000s, while if you are in the top 30 contracted players for NRL you start at $140K AUD.

    Sport, League, Rugby, New Zealand

    Why promising young rugby players are choosing league over the sport they grew up playing

    Why promising young rugby players are choosing league over the sport they grew up playing

    One top sports agent says rugby league offers clearer pathways and far better pay.

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    @gt12 That fact about Super Rugby salaries has to surely be taken with a grain of salt. As a general rule, since the Silverlake Deal, as a general rule, seems like players are sticking around a little longer than they had been.

    Most of the players who head offshore, seem to be doing so for lifestyle reasons, rather than out and out financial reasons.

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  • NepiaN Offline
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    Nepia
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    @gt12 said in Exodus:

    Well worth a read.

    Game is supposedly more interesting to younger players (ball in play etc.), pays more, and has an easier to understand pathway. According to the article, Super salaries have not grown since the early 2000s, while if you are in the top 30 contracted players for NRL you start at $140K AUD.

    Sport, League, Rugby, New Zealand

    Why promising young rugby players are choosing league over the sport they grew up playing

    Why promising young rugby players are choosing league over the sport they grew up playing

    One top sports agent says rugby league offers clearer pathways and far better pay.

    NZ Herald writing a pro league/anti rugby article, damn, who would have thought it. TBF, I don't have premium so wont be reading the article so my response is more to your synopsis of it.

    Is league more interesting to younger players? There's roughly the same amount of teenage rugby players as there are total league players in the country, and some of that total includes players in the national schools comp held over a week or two, of which that might be the only league they play that year.

    Do we know how much Super players earn, I highly doubt there'd be many main squad (which is the equivalent of the top 30) super players earning under $140 (I don't think the AUD is relevant, it requires a movement to a new country/sport in most cases).

    The guys who go who have a decent-ish profile get hyped by the media, but that overlooks the ones who stay, even ones who were league players when younger.

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  • gt12G Offline
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    replied to Nepia last edited by
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    @Nepia said in Exodus:

    @gt12 said in Exodus:

    Well worth a read.

    Game is supposedly more interesting to younger players (ball in play etc.), pays more, and has an easier to understand pathway. According to the article, Super salaries have not grown since the early 2000s, while if you are in the top 30 contracted players for NRL you start at $140K AUD.

    Sport, League, Rugby, New Zealand

    Why promising young rugby players are choosing league over the sport they grew up playing

    Why promising young rugby players are choosing league over the sport they grew up playing

    One top sports agent says rugby league offers clearer pathways and far better pay.

    NZ Herald writing a pro league/anti rugby article, damn, who would have thought it. TBF, I don't have premium so wont be reading the article so my response is more to your synopsis of it.

    Is league more interesting to younger players? There's roughly the same amount of teenage rugby players as there are total league players in the country, and some of that total includes players in the national schools comp held over a week or two, of which that might be the only league they play that year.

    Do we know how much Super players earn, I highly doubt there'd be many main squad (which is the equivalent of the top 30) super players earning under $140 (I don't think the AUD is relevant, it requires a movement to a new country/sport in most cases).

    The guys who go who have a decent-ish profile get hyped by the media, but that overlooks the ones who stay, even ones who were league players when younger.

    You can use tools to read it, you know...

    I don't want to paste in too much, as it would be better to actually read the article, but on the payment, here is what it says:

    “You have provincial unions who offer development contracts. These can be anywhere from $1 to probably about $2500. The very upper end is $5000. And they effectively have the provincial union providing some infrastructure and high performance for these young men.

    At entry level, the NRL offers more than twice what Super Rugby players earn.

    Super Rugby franchises must pay their contracted players a minimum of $75,000 per year

    On the interest in the sport thing, I don't believe a word of it, I think it is all about getting their bag as soon as possible with the easiest potential to get it.

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    wrote last edited by
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    The money will tell the story in the end.
    NRL players are starting at 140k; a SR average would be about 135k.
    ABs would be on a lot more than that; some a lot, lot more.

    The ABs will always be mega; but the professional union game in NZ will (is) slowly get hollowed out by pro league.
    It already has been in Aus.
    And the pro women already seem to be league/union blending.

    At last count there were 160 NZ born players in the NRL.
    I can remember when there would have been virtually none in the Sydney comp.
    Important to note; that is more than one teams worth of enzeders.

    Ball in play was at 56 minutes for the NRL last season, a record.
    I noticed also note that refs had been instructed to aim for 2 second play the balls last season as well. Probably why they hit a record.
    Which is more than Soccer (55 mins of 90).
    Union is at about 37 mins.
    NFL is only about 11 mins (of 60)

    Marky Mark was a bit freaked at his first Roosters training season, and he was a sevens player, who I thought were fit. But not good enough for league.
    In the end tho, he went just fine, and made the national team.
    I think a lot of young union players will have taken note of that.

    After the Perth Bears and the PNG Chiefs have been bedded into the comp, there will be only one place left for the NRL to go.
    I can see that brand spanking new stadium in Chch literally sucking an NRL franchise right in.

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  • BonesB Offline
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    replied to gt12 last edited by
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    @gt12 said in Exodus:

    if you are in the top 30 contracted players for NRL you start at $140K AUD.

    I would suggest if you're in the top 35 SR players you're on more than that, so not quite the league win one might think.

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    gt12
    replied to Bones last edited by gt12
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    @Bones said in Exodus:

    @gt12 said in Exodus:

    if you are in the top 30 contracted players for NRL you start at $140K AUD.

    I would suggest if you're in the top 35 SR players you're on more than that, so not quite the league win one might think.

    Per club.

    That's the base for a Top grade player, according to the article.

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