New All Black Coach
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@Bovidae said in New All Black Coach:
Rennie coached a Scottish club first, so no different to McMillan now, and numerous other NZ coaches who end up in Europe or Japan. There are only so many head coach positions available in NZ, and only one if you want to progress from SR.
But that's not where Rennie went.
I understand that others don't think it's a big deal, but he was coaching the Australian team to beat us. To regain the Bled.
There is plenty of money to be made in the rugby world - choosing that job says something about how he feels about the NZRU, and by extension, the fans who were very strong supporters of his when he was coaching a local team.I don't think the Boks would appoint at a kiwi, but I'd feel even worse if it were them.
I understand it is job with few opportunities, but I believe that I would choose to give up money to not take away the chance of teams in black to be successful.
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@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Bovidae said in New All Black Coach:
Rennie coached a Scottish club first, so no different to McMillan now, and numerous other NZ coaches who end up in Europe or Japan. There are only so many head coach positions available in NZ, and only one if you want to progress from SR.
But that's not where Rennie went.
I understand that others don't think it's a big deal, but he was coaching the Australian team to beat us. To regain the Bled.
There is plenty of money to be made in the rugby world - choosing that job says something about how he feels about the NZRU, and by extension, the fans who were very strong supporters of his when he was coaching a local team.I don't think the Boks would appoint at a kiwi, but I'd feel even worse if it were them.
I understand it is job with few opportunities, but I believe that I would choose to give up money to not take away the chance of teams in black to be successful.
A bit like Deans. If he'd gone to the NH perhaps we could have felt differently if he tried to come back to coach the ABs
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Funnily enough, not a name that gets mentioned, because fuck Robbie Deans.
I don't mean that in he's a bad person way, just he clearly didn't bleed for the ABs to win.
I honestly can't imagine coaching another team against the ABs. I can't imagine preparing a team to try to beat the ABs and actually thinking / wanting them to win.
I'm prepared to except certain teams based on my personal preference, so I get why it's an irrational belief. Scotland is OK, because if we lose to them it says more about us than them.
Nevertheless, for me, if you have been the head coach of SA (which will never happen for a kiwi), Australia (far too fucking common), or England (and recently Ireland), fuck you very much.
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@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
Funnily enough, not a name that gets mentioned, because fuck Robbie Deans.
I don't mean that in he's a bad person way, just he clearly didn't bleed for the ABs to win.
I honestly can't imagine coaching another team against the ABs. I can't imagine preparing a team to try to beat the ABs and actually thinking / wanting them to win.
I'm prepared to except certain teams based on my personal preference, so I get why it's an irrational belief. Scotland is OK, because if we lose to them it says more about us than them.
Nevertheless, for me, if you have been the head coach of SA (which will never happen for a kiwi), Australia (far too fucking common), or England (and recently Ireland), fuck you very much.
I understand they have to make a living, and there are only so many gigs. But coaching those teams you list is like Coutts and Butterworth leaving TNZ for Alinghi, and coming back and taking the AC from us on our home waters. It feels less about money and more about trying to shove it in our faces if they win. fluffybunnies.
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I don't like it, but for me the biggest thing is that once you pull that lever, you don't get to come home and be our hero by taking on the most coveted coaching job in the country. Piss off. Take your money. Then that's your career; you are French legion.
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@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
I don't like it, but for me the biggest thing is that once you pull that lever, you don't get to come home and be our hero by taking on the most coveted coaching job in the country. Piss off. Take your money. Then that's your career; you are French legion.
Scotland, Wales, Italy, Japan all fine
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Several sauces. It's something Ted has said publicly several times.
Planet Rugby: “I was very vocal about Rennie … I think he’s got it all … If they had done that with Dave Rennie he would have applied for the All Black job … I think we stuffed up quite frankly.”
'Dave Rennie had to be All Blacks coach' - Graham Henry
New Zealand Rugby 'cocked up' by not appointing Wallabies boss Dave Rennie as Steve Hansen's successor as All Blacks coach.
Fox Sports: Henry: “New Zealand Rugby c**ked that up … They should have been connecting with Dave … they didn’t contact Dave Rennie for three years … Dave Rennie is fabulous … I think we stuffed up quite frankly.” 
Newstalk ZB: “Dave Rennie is a fabulous coach, no doubt… I talked in the media about this before … I was very vocal about Rennie … I think we stuffed up quite frankly … he is a quality person and a quality coach.” 
'NZ Rugby c**ked that up': Graham Henry's swipe at All Blacks coach
Former All Blacks head coach Sir Graham Henry says New Zealand Rugby made a mistake in allowing Dave Rennie to work with the Wallabies. Rennie, appointed t
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I wonder if it’s time to look at foreign coaches. TBH both Rennie and Joseph underwhelm me a little, and who else from NZ currently coaching is up to that standard? (Schmidt did well initially with Aus, but they haven’t exactly been going gangbusters recently either)
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@Darth-Sader said in New All Black Coach:
I wonder if it’s time to look at foreign coaches. TBH both Rennie and Joseph underwhelm me a little, and who else from NZ currently coaching is up to that standard? (Schmidt did well initially with Aus, but they haven’t exactly been going gangbusters recently either)
I don't think Schmitt would be keen he has done well with Oz but they do have a depth issue that makes consistent big performances tricky.
Rennie and Joseph sounds good to me but that is without knowing how they jell together.
I also think Cotter would be great for the forwards but him and JJ may be a Hart and Wyllie combo...
Whoever they go for need to be on same page unlike what it looks like now- many different coaches coaching their own systems over complicating and bamboozling the players -
@kidcalder said in New All Black Coach:
@Darth-Sader said in New All Black Coach:
I wonder if it’s time to look at foreign coaches. TBH both Rennie and Joseph underwhelm me a little, and who else from NZ currently coaching is up to that standard? (Schmidt did well initially with Aus, but they haven’t exactly been going gangbusters recently either)
I don't think Schmitt would be keen he has done well with Oz but they do have a depth issue that makes consistent big performances tricky.
Rennie and Joseph sounds good to me but that is without knowing how they jell together.
I also think Cotter would be great for the forwards but him and JJ may be a Hart and Wyllie combo...
Whoever they go for need to be on same page unlike what it looks like now- many different coaches coaching their own systems over complicating and bamboozling the playersI agree that whatever happens we need a cohesive, more simple gameplan that allows the players to do what they do best with everyone on the same page
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@kidcalder said in New All Black Coach:
@Darth-Sader said in New All Black Coach:
I wonder if it’s time to look at foreign coaches. TBH both Rennie and Joseph underwhelm me a little, and who else from NZ currently coaching is up to that standard? (Schmidt did well initially with Aus, but they haven’t exactly been going gangbusters recently either)
I don't think Schmitt would be keen he has done well with Oz but they do have a depth issue that makes consistent big performances tricky.
Rennie and Joseph sounds good to me but that is without knowing how they jell together.
I also think Cotter would be great for the forwards but him and JJ may be a Hart and Wyllie combo...
Whoever they go for need to be on same page unlike what it looks like now- many different coaches coaching their own systems over complicating and bamboozling the playersAt this point I feel like 2027 is all but gone and we should focus on the management style of the coaching group, how they interact with the players to create a more unified environment. Probably means Hansen needs to go for starters.
Impose the changes, Razor needs to be told he's lost the right to steer the ship and if doesn't like it he can fuck off
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@kidcalder said in New All Black Coach:
27,,, i still think we could salvage it with we have the kahunas to make the necessary changes asap
MAJOR changes
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@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Bovidae said in New All Black Coach:
Rennie coached a Scottish club first, so no different to McMillan now, and numerous other NZ coaches who end up in Europe or Japan. There are only so many head coach positions available in NZ, and only one if you want to progress from SR.
But that's not where Rennie went.
I understand that others don't think it's a big deal, but he was coaching the Australian team to beat us. To regain the Bled.
There is plenty of money to be made in the rugby world - choosing that job says something about how he feels about the NZRU, and by extension, the fans who were very strong supporters of his when he was coaching a local team.I don't think the Boks would appoint at a kiwi, but I'd feel even worse if it were them.
I understand it is job with few opportunities, but I believe that I would choose to give up money to not take away the chance of teams in black to be successful.
You said you were happy for him to coach Ireland, a team that has beaten us way more frequently than Oz.
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@canefan said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
I don't like it, but for me the biggest thing is that once you pull that lever, you don't get to come home and be our hero by taking on the most coveted coaching job in the country. Piss off. Take your money. Then that's your career; you are French legion.
Scotland, Wales, Italy, Japan all fine
No difference to me. If these things matter I'd be more pissed at Brown even if he is only an assistant coach.
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@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Bovidae said in New All Black Coach:
Rennie coached a Scottish club first, so no different to McMillan now, and numerous other NZ coaches who end up in Europe or Japan. There are only so many head coach positions available in NZ, and only one if you want to progress from SR.
But that's not where Rennie went.
I understand that others don't think it's a big deal, but he was coaching the Australian team to beat us. To regain the Bled.
There is plenty of money to be made in the rugby world - choosing that job says something about how he feels about the NZRU, and by extension, the fans who were very strong supporters of his when he was coaching a local team.I don't think the Boks would appoint at a kiwi, but I'd feel even worse if it were them.
I understand it is job with few opportunities, but I believe that I would choose to give up money to not take away the chance of teams in black to be successful.
You said you were happy for him to coach Ireland, a team that has beaten us way more frequently than Oz.
With your Australian accent, I'm having a hard time understanding you cobber.
NZ legend says All Blacks ‘c***ed up’ coaching pick – and they should have grabbed Rennie
