All Blacks 2025
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
We have players who don’t get angry with each other , a coaching team who don’t seem to get angry with the players. Players who don’t get angry with opposition .Players and coaching team who don’t get angry with the lawmakers and a board who doesn’t seem to get angry with the slurry we are being served up.
No passion.
Eh? so the rumours about headbutts and internal arguments aren't true then? As to getting angry with the opposition, rugby has become a house of cards. Getting sneaky, crafty, and ruthless is one thing. Anger, in this era, is another.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Graham Souness
Interesting character.
Recall a story about his first game for Liverpool.
The manager was giving instructions to each player before the game, but said nothing to him.
He than asked what the manger what he wanted him to do.
The manger turned on him, and said something like "You're asking me? We just paid umpteen million dollars for you! You should be telling us what to fucking do!"
The Souness (who had an excellent opinion of himself) said he just thought to himself, OK, Right! And took over the team for the following decade.Always wondered whether the manager planned for that situation.
Just waiting for him to say something, so he could tear into him.
Knowing exactly how Souness would react; just how he wanted him too. -
A writer that reads the fern? or maybe even a poster?
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That guy has to be Shannon Frizzell's agent though, he glazes him so hard. I remember him from before the World Cup. Strangely silent since then though.
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@LABCAT said in All Blacks 2025:
A writer that reads the fern? or maybe even a poster?
His name is Highlander.......
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@akan004 from that same article; "Personally, yeah, being in 32 hotels and going around the world a few times, but I think what’s required of me every week, how do I set the group up, the management group, the team, we talk about being all in, we talk about serving our jersey on the field and our people off the field, so how can I shape and bring the legacy along with us.
“I feel like I’ve made a real connection to that piece and personally, how can I get those simple messages across to the group? Look, I said before, it’s fine margins, and there’s a lot of expectations that come with it. So how can you refine your messages so the boys are clear and then just go and play and trust themselves.
“I feel like I’ve got a lot better in that regard.”
He's fucking delusional.
Not a pop at Coach Jesus, but am I the only one who hates the use of the word "boys"?
They're not boys, they're grown fucking men.
There's a lot of stuff said by coaches, players and the especially media that comes across as too casual and matey, matey for me.
No edge to the organisation from top down.
We have a no dickheads policy.....we actually need a few dickheads in the building and on the pitch.
Nobody needs a dickhead mate. What we need is hard professional people who don't back away from tough decisions.
We might not need dickheads, but that doesn’t mean we have to have a bunch of pussies.
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@LABCAT said in All Blacks 2025:
"lost the type of individuals who when the going got tough, were the guys who would want the ball."
Eh? Savea wants the ball. When he's at 12... -
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@LABCAT said in All Blacks 2025:
"lost the type of individuals who when the going got tough, were the guys who would want the ball."
Eh? Savea wants the ball. When he's at 12...Loves making tackles too......once he drags the ball carrier 5 metres over the advantage line before looling for that heroic jackle that he gets once or twice a game.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
That guy has to be Shannon Frizzell's agent though, he glazes him so hard. I remember him from before the World Cup. Strangely silent since then though.
Wasn't very silent in that article - 6 mentions of the waste of space and he's not even in NZ rugby currently.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
We have players who don’t get angry with each other , a coaching team who don’t seem to get angry with the players. Players who don’t get angry with opposition .Players and coaching team who don’t get angry with the lawmakers and a board who doesn’t seem to get angry with the slurry we are being served up.
No passion.
Eh? so the rumours about headbutts and internal arguments aren't true then? As to getting angry with the opposition, rugby has become a house of cards. Getting sneaky, crafty, and ruthless is one thing. Anger, in this era, is another.
You’ve not been watching Cobus Reinach and co lately?
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Graham Souness
Interesting character.
Recall a story about his first game for Liverpool.
The manager was giving instructions to each player before the game, but said nothing to him.
He than asked what the manger what he wanted him to do.
The manger turned on him, and said something like "You're asking me? We just paid umpteen million dollars for you! You should be telling us what to fucking do!"
The Souness (who had an excellent opinion of himself) said he just thought to himself, OK, Right! And took over the team for the following decade.Always wondered whether the manager planned for that situation.
Just waiting for him to say something, so he could tear into him.
Knowing exactly how Souness would react; just how he wanted him too.There is an interesting tangent from that point though.
Everton beat Man United a few days ago with 10 men.
One of their players was sent off for slapping one of his own team in the face after an on-field disagreement.
The manager David Moyes was interviewed post match and questioned on what he thought of his players fighting. It was only the third time it ever happened in the premier league.
Moyes said “I actually love it, it shows they care”.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Eh? so the rumours about headbutts and internal arguments aren't true then? As to getting angry with the opposition, rugby has become a house of cards. Getting sneaky, crafty, and ruthless is one thing. Anger, in this era, is another.
You’ve not been watching Cobus Reinach and co lately?
No, I have standards.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Wales v All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Wales v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph thats the thing, Parsons has a very analytical eye when it comes to rugby, when he was playing they had him on the radio in a regular spot talking and he was always very insightful, similar to O'Halloran.
Having only listened to a couple of episodes recently, Parsons seems like he's trying to come up with excuses for how poorly the All Blacks are playing. He points to random statistics or moments in the game and tries to make out that's all that's wrong. 'They would've won if it hadn't been for that one little thing there.'
He looks like he's thinking really hard too, so maybe he is trying to find obscure ways to justify how shit we are
I really enjoy the show. If I wanted to just see people pointing sticks and saying so and so is useless, after watching a game on tv, I got rugby forums. I enjoy hearing people who have been in the game at decent level point to reasons for things going right or wrong.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Graham Souness
Interesting character.
Recall a story about his first game for Liverpool.
The manager was giving instructions to each player before the game, but said nothing to him.
He than asked what the manger what he wanted him to do.
The manger turned on him, and said something like "You're asking me? We just paid umpteen million dollars for you! You should be telling us what to fucking do!"
The Souness (who had an excellent opinion of himself) said he just thought to himself, OK, Right! And took over the team for the following decade.Always wondered whether the manager planned for that situation.
Just waiting for him to say something, so he could tear into him.
Knowing exactly how Souness would react; just how he wanted him too.There is an interesting tangent from that point though.
Everton beat Man United a few days ago with 10 men.
One of their players was sent off for slapping one of his own team in the face after an on-field disagreement.
The manager David Moyes was interviewed post match and questioned on what he thought of his players fighting. It was only the third time it ever happened in the premier league.
Moyes said “I actually love it, it shows they care”.
The last thing we want is Rugby to descend to Moyes and soccer's level of dickhead-ness. Next you'll be having supporters showing "passion" and fighting in the stands
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I do get where jet is coming from , not sure we need to behave in that way but it does feel like we have lost our ruthlessness,
The win at all costs attitude that we were famous for feels like it has been infiltrated by participation culture where feelings are more important and everyone gets a trophy.
But I’m probably just a grumpy old bastard living in the past .
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Wales v All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Wales v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph thats the thing, Parsons has a very analytical eye when it comes to rugby, when he was playing they had him on the radio in a regular spot talking and he was always very insightful, similar to O'Halloran.
Having only listened to a couple of episodes recently, Parsons seems like he's trying to come up with excuses for how poorly the All Blacks are playing. He points to random statistics or moments in the game and tries to make out that's all that's wrong. 'They would've won if it hadn't been for that one little thing there.'
He looks like he's thinking really hard too, so maybe he is trying to find obscure ways to justify how shit we are
I really enjoy the show. If I wanted to just see people pointing sticks and saying so and so is useless, after watching a game on tv, I got rugby forums. I enjoy hearing people who have been in the game at decent level point to reasons for things going right or wrong.
But are those reasons accurate?
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
I do get where jet is coming from , not sure we need to behave in that way but it does feel like we have lost our ruthlessness,
The win at all costs attitude that we were famous for feels like it has been infiltrated by participation culture where feelings are more important and everyone gets a trophy.
But I’m probably just a grumpy old bastard living in the past .
You're right. It doesn't seem like the players and coaches are all that dissatisfied with poor performances. They don't need to act like dickheads or thugs on the field but it'd be nice if they seemed more determined to perform. 'Ruthlessness' is a good word to describe it.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
The admission by Razor that Scott Hansen has effectively been acting as head coach should be a MASSIVE scandal. Further, it turns out , this was also the case at the Saders.
Fuck a duck - what a shambles.
If that is really the case, then surely the success of the Crusaders is down to Hansen. So, if we ditch him but keep Robertson as many are suggesting, what happens then....?
