All Blacks 2025
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceUnder pressure to keep their spots? I’d say two of them are done no matter what they pull out in Super Rugby.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceCan see why they're targeted.
But ...
I suspect SB still has more to give while we transition to the new breed, just not as skipper. But there are 6 test class locks currently in the mix (and Beehre is the new great white hype).And both ALB and RI looked sharper than wunderkind Proctor. Suggest the latter has a bit to prove as well.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceUnder pressure to keep their spots? I’d say two of them are done no matter what they pull out in Super Rugby.
I'll believe it when I see them dropped. Not holding my breath.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceUnder pressure to keep their spots? I’d say two of them are done no matter what they pull out in Super Rugby.
I'll believe it when I see them dropped. Not holding my breath.
Nothing changes unless Razor gets sent to the Principal's office and forced to make changes
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
The five ABs are:
S Barrett
B Barrett (and he is a fanboy).
Ioane
ALB
ReeceCan see why they're targeted.
But ...
I suspect SB still has more to give while we transition to the new breed, just not as skipper. But there are 6 test class locks currently in the mix (and Beehre is the new great white hype).And both ALB and RI looked sharper than wunderkind Proctor. Suggest the latter has a bit to prove as well.
In any decent coaching regime all five would be surplus to requirements and jettisoned.
Whilst it may seem harsh to drop two Barretts at once its worth pointing out theres another one who'll make it. The Whettons never had that luxury.
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@booboo Ioane could also return a better player after spending some time with some good coaches
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo Ioane could also return a better player after spending some time with some good coaches
We should send Arikinui Proctor and LF over as well too then if that's the case.
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@Nepia well Jordie came back improved, for a while...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia well Jordie came back improved, for a while...
Yeah he did, although I was just being bitchy pointing out the proposed messiah's at centre didn't really perform to the standard of the hype attributed to them.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia well Jordie came back improved, for a while...
Yeah he did, although I was just being bitchy pointing out the proposed messiah's at centre didn't really perform to the standard of the hype attributed to them.
Pretenders to Charlie Ngatais throne the lot of them.
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i can see it now....Richie Mo fails to fix all problems...people start talking about the good old days when BB was in charge....BB starts in the RWC
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Jesus, is Tamati Ellison everyone's best friend in the media?
Jamie Wall on Devlin today, interesting segment. Explains that he doesn't see Razor under threat, but does see assistants under threat. Fair enough.
OK, where are we having trouble?
He says set piece and attack and fails to mention how shit much of our defense is.. incredible.Some very fascinating tidbits though, which is essentially that journalists are more shut out of trainings, they can't actually see the coaches doing their jobs so need to infer it from quotes. He discusses the Saders, indicating that Razor's involvement tends to be more personal with individual players.
He talks about some of the potential for that style to not work at the international level.
He also talks about how it seems to be effecting him (Razor) and that Razor doesn't like to explain himself when they lose.
He refers to the Eden Park result as being crucial, which it was, and suggests that they need to learn to 'put that in a bottle' and roll it out every week, which ignores that they haven't been able to do it since.
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is our set piece particularly bad?....i think almost everything could do with improvement but didn;t think set piece had stood out, especially since holland came in
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
is our set piece particularly bad?....i think almost everything could do with improvement but didn;t think set piece had stood out, especially since holland came in
We've had various issues. He discussed some of them (some difficulty at the line out, especially), but it was really strange that he focused on that area first, even ahead of our attack, and didn't mention defense at all...
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
is our set piece particularly bad?....i think almost everything could do with improvement but didn;t think set piece had stood out, especially since holland came in
Lineout generally good and can be a genuine threat - although that threat seems too often to be inconsistent within games (see England a couple of weeks ago where we picked off copious England ball in the first half but barely bothered to put up a contest in the second half). Scrum, generally good but not at all a threat to opposition ball and prone to late capitulations in big matches (see Boks at Eden Park and England a couple of weeks ago).
In short, definitely room to improve the set pieces and, given the tight 5 stocks at the moment, we should really be aiming to turn the set piece into a genuine weapon rather than simply a re-start.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
i can see it now....Richie Mo fails to fix all problems...people start talking about the good old days when BB was in charge....BB starts in the RWC
And the Fern has a meltdown with aftershocks that last for a year or more
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im not sure i agree with a single word....and got made reading the first two paragraphs
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that has to be a fucking wind up surely??
"The emerging All Blacks core, Cam Roigard, Shaun Stevenson, Caleb Clarke, Folau Fakatava, Samipeni Finau, Josh Lord, Fabian Holland, Sam Darry, Asafo Aumua, Will Jordan and others, is stacked with players who will peak between 2027 and 2031."
Include two guys who don't even make squads, a guy who is clearly a fringe player now, and Will Jordan who is 27 and has 50+ tests under his belt??
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