All Blacks 2026
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
No I am saying that Ardie should have been just as damning of Foster not saying "hes my coach and I have his back" if he was consistent and not one of the single biggest problems in the team culture himself.
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Maybe because Ardie wasn't ignored by the Head Coach when he had problems/concerns
Are you saying the All Blacks should not be about test results but making Ardie Savea feel listened to and important?
I'm saying a really shit coach treats his players like shit and creates a toxic culture where players simply give up trying - which is what we've seen this year.
Are you saying there are no example of coaches treating players like shit and keeping the culture on edge that have not produced wildly successful results?
If Razor had produced wildly successful results he would still be in a job
Where did I disagree with that? I am asking why Ardie Savea didn't want Ian Foster fired for producing equally dire results.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
No I am saying that Ardie should have been just as damning of Foster not saying "hes my coach and I have his back" if he was consistent and not one of the single biggest problems in the team culture himself.
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Maybe because Ardie wasn't ignored by the Head Coach when he had problems/concerns
Are you saying the All Blacks should not be about test results but making Ardie Savea feel listened to and important?
I'm saying a really shit coach treats his players like shit and creates a toxic culture where players simply give up trying - which is what we've seen this year.
Are you saying there are no example of coaches treating players like shit and keeping the culture on edge that have not produced wildly successful results?
I await your list of uber-successful AB teams with toxic cultures
Pretty much every All Black side prior to Graham Henry.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
No I am saying that Ardie should have been just as damning of Foster not saying "hes my coach and I have his back" if he was consistent and not one of the single biggest problems in the team culture himself.
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Maybe because Ardie wasn't ignored by the Head Coach when he had problems/concerns
Are you saying the All Blacks should not be about test results but making Ardie Savea feel listened to and important?
I'm saying a really shit coach treats his players like shit and creates a toxic culture where players simply give up trying - which is what we've seen this year.
Are you saying there are no example of coaches treating players like shit and keeping the culture on edge that have not produced wildly successful results?
If Razor had produced wildly successful results he would still be in a job
Where did I disagree with that? I am asking why Ardie Savea didn't want Ian Foster fired for producing equally dire results.
And we answered that changes occurred. Plumtree and Moaar got canned. We are going around in circles.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2026:
Beauden Barrett is Harold Shipman for Allblack coaches. He gets them all in the end.
I thought (from the thread) BB was team Razor?
He was indeed, but Beaudy is now the out half hill that more than one coach has died on.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
Why not Foster was he not the head coach and ultimately responsible?
Presumably because the belief was that with stronger assistant coaches (i.e. Schmidt and Ryan) that they could turn things around. They went from losing a home series vs Ireland to knocking over Rassie's Boks at Ellis Park then knocking Ireland out of the World Cup. Foster also had the advantage of 8 years in the environment/test rugby etc compared to Razor coming in fresh.
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This is obviously a resounding positive and the best move NZ rugby could have done. I am not sure however about the somewhat revisionist comments that this shit show is entirely on Robertson’s shoulders. Some of these players have been crap under 2-3 coaches and multiple assistant coaches. There is a serious issue in player leadership that pre-dates Robertson and the next coach is set up to fail unless a few key players go.
Savea, B, S, and J Barrett, Reiko, ALB, and all the other senior players with the exception of Codie Taylor shouldn’t be close to a team leadership group and most shouldn’t be in the team.
Robertson’s greatest failing behind his obvious poor player management style, was trying to polish a turd that had been there for 8-9 years. Not completely cleaning house was a mistake. Now we are stuck in an awkward middle stage where the next coach will obviously pick a v similar squad, and we are kidding ourselves if the next 23 named isn’t 80-85% the same as it was on the EOYT. It will be one more year of settling in, one more year of wasted selections.
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The true Allblack healing will begin in the post Ardie and post Beaudy world.
Old favourites of mine, but they upset the balance of the forwards and backs respectively.
It's like when PSG had Messi, Mbappe and Neymar upfront.
Highlight reel players who didn't do any work off the ball.PSG got rid of them all and then won the champions league with young up and comers and industrious midfielders like Vitinha and Fabian Ruiz.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
Why not Foster was he not the head coach and ultimately responsible?
Presumably because the belief was that with stronger assistant coaches (i.e. Schmidt and Ryan) that they could turn things around. They went from losing a home series vs Ireland to knocking over Rassie's Boks at Ellis Park then knocking Ireland out of the World Cup. Foster also had the advantage of 8 years in the environment/test rugby etc compared to Razor coming in fresh.
Well it was a shit belief and the first warning signs NZ rugby had a Ardie Savea problem. They are full on flashing lights now.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
No I am saying that Ardie should have been just as damning of Foster not saying "hes my coach and I have his back" if he was consistent and not one of the single biggest problems in the team culture himself.
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Maybe because Ardie wasn't ignored by the Head Coach when he had problems/concerns
Are you saying the All Blacks should not be about test results but making Ardie Savea feel listened to and important?
Come on man.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
No I am saying that Ardie should have been just as damning of Foster not saying "hes my coach and I have his back" if he was consistent and not one of the single biggest problems in the team culture himself.
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Maybe because Ardie wasn't ignored by the Head Coach when he had problems/concerns
Are you saying the All Blacks should not be about test results but making Ardie Savea feel listened to and important?
I'm saying a really shit coach treats his players like shit and creates a toxic culture where players simply give up trying - which is what we've seen this year.
Are you saying there are no example of coaches treating players like shit and keeping the culture on edge that have not produced wildly successful results?
Do you think that would have happened with Razor?
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Not sure why we are picking on players. Surely that can wait to the first game.
Some people on here have so much hindsight I wonder if they have any normal sight left.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2026:
The true Allblack healing will begin in the post Ardie and post Beaudy world.
Old favourites of mine, but they upset the balance of the forwards and backs respectively.
It's like when PSG had Messi, Mbappe and Neymar upfront.
Highlight reel players who didn't do any work off the ball.PSG got rid of them all and then won the champions league with young up and comers and industrious midfielders like Vitinha and Fabian Ruiz.
I'm only guessing. But if Ardie and BB were only interested in starting, what reason would they have to complain? Perhaps they want to win and saw that the coaching team weren't providing the environment they believed would achieve this, and that they were not willing to work with the players to change it? They weren't the only ones remember, half of the squad voiced their concerns. Perhaps they will be happy to play lesser roles if solid team structure and systems are there?
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
No I am saying that Ardie should have been just as damning of Foster not saying "hes my coach and I have his back" if he was consistent and not one of the single biggest problems in the team culture himself.
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Maybe because Ardie wasn't ignored by the Head Coach when he had problems/concerns
Are you saying the All Blacks should not be about test results but making Ardie Savea feel listened to and important?
I'm saying a really shit coach treats his players like shit and creates a toxic culture where players simply give up trying - which is what we've seen this year.
Are you saying there are no example of coaches treating players like shit and keeping the culture on edge that have not produced wildly successful results?
If Razor had produced wildly successful results he would still be in a job
Where did I disagree with that? I am asking why Ardie Savea didn't want Ian Foster fired for producing equally dire results.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
No I am saying that Ardie should have been just as damning of Foster not saying "hes my coach and I have his back" if he was consistent and not one of the single biggest problems in the team culture himself.
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Maybe because Ardie wasn't ignored by the Head Coach when he had problems/concerns
Are you saying the All Blacks should not be about test results but making Ardie Savea feel listened to and important?
I'm saying a really shit coach treats his players like shit and creates a toxic culture where players simply give up trying - which is what we've seen this year.
Are you saying there are no example of coaches treating players like shit and keeping the culture on edge that have not produced wildly successful results?
If Razor had produced wildly successful results he would still be in a job
Where did I disagree with that? I am asking why Ardie Savea didn't want Ian Foster fired for producing equally dire results.
And we answered that changes occurred. Plumtree and Moaar got canned. We are going around in circles.
And that it wasn't JUST the results.
Agree with the circles.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2026:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2026:
The true Allblack healing will begin in the post Ardie and post Beaudy world.
Old favourites of mine, but they upset the balance of the forwards and backs respectively.
It's like when PSG had Messi, Mbappe and Neymar upfront.
Highlight reel players who didn't do any work off the ball.PSG got rid of them all and then won the champions league with young up and comers and industrious midfielders like Vitinha and Fabian Ruiz.
I'm only guessing. But if Ardie and BB were only interested in starting, what reason would they have to complain? Perhaps they want to win and saw that the coaching team weren't providing the environment they believed would achieve this, and that they were not willing to work with the players to change it? They weren't the only ones remember, half of the squad voiced their concerns. Perhaps they will be happy to play lesser roles if solid team structure and systems are there?
Could you please point out a time where Beauden and Savea have led a team to success? I’m not entirely sure their opinion means anything when they don’t know how to do it? I am really not sure why anyone is defending those two at all?
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2026:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2026:
The true Allblack healing will begin in the post Ardie and post Beaudy world.
Old favourites of mine, but they upset the balance of the forwards and backs respectively.
It's like when PSG had Messi, Mbappe and Neymar upfront.
Highlight reel players who didn't do any work off the ball.PSG got rid of them all and then won the champions league with young up and comers and industrious midfielders like Vitinha and Fabian Ruiz.
I'm only guessing. But if Ardie and BB were only interested in starting, what reason would they have to complain? Perhaps they want to win and saw that the coaching team weren't providing the environment they believed would achieve this, and that they were not willing to work with the players to change it? They weren't the only ones remember, half of the squad voiced their concerns. Perhaps they will be happy to play lesser roles if solid team structure and systems are there?
Could you please point out a time where Beauden and Savea have led a team to success? I’m not entirely sure their opinion means anything when they don’t know how to do it? I am really not sure why anyone is defending those two at all?
I can't argue with you so I won't bother.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
I think we are getting a touch of what Canterbury / Crusaders social media looks like right now.
Ignore them. You could present all the facts infront of them and they'd still try and say that Razor deserved better. The term 'one eyed' exists for a reason with them.
Kind of feels good this. Feel like poor performance won't be tolerated anymore. Obviously we'll have to wait for the first side of the year to be announced but yeah, this feels good.
