All Blacks 2026
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
Why wasn't he concerned in 2022 when Foster was dragging the team down to this level?
He was. Difference is Foster listened to his players and engaged with them. BB has spoken openly about it.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
Which is why you don't listen to the players on who should be coach. Fair enough fire Robertson on the results but not Ardie Saveas feels
Which, as Kirk has made clear, what happened.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
Why wasn't he concerned in 2022 when Foster was dragging the team down to this level?
He was. Difference is Foster listened to his players and engaged with them. BB has spoken openly about it.
Once again what difference did that make? We got thrashed at Twickenham by the Boks, lost to Argentina at home, lost our first RWC pool game and I don't see the WC in our trophy cabinet.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
Which is why you don't listen to the players on who should be coach. Fair enough fire Robertson on the results but not Ardie Saveas feels
When asked in the presser what he thought as a fan Kirk touched on things like inconsistency, slumps in the 3rd quarters of games and discipline.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
Which is why you don't listen to the players on who should be coach. Fair enough fire Robertson on the results but not Ardie Saveas feels
It's not feels, it's honest feedback.
Saying that, I hope Ardie is relegated to an impact player.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
Why wasn't he concerned in 2022 when Foster was dragging the team down to this level?
He was. Difference is Foster listened to his players and engaged with them. BB has spoken openly about it.
Once again what difference did that make? We got thrashed at Twickenham by the Boks, lost to Argentina at home, lost our first RWC pool game and I don't see the WC in our trophy cabinet.
Are you saying losing the dressing room and support staff is OK as the previous bloke didn't have a 100% record?
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
No I am saying that Ardie should have been just as damning of Foster not saying "hes my coach and I have his back" if he was consistent and not one of the single biggest problems in the team culture himself.
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Maybe because Ardie wasn't ignored by the Head Coach when he had problems/concerns
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
Which is why you don't listen to the players on who should be coach. Fair enough fire Robertson on the results but not Ardie Saveas feels
You can't have a review and not get the feedback of a key component of the team, that's just silly.
The decision was made on the entirety of the review, not just on the player's feedback.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
No I am saying that Ardie should have been just as damning of Foster not saying "hes my coach and I have his back" if he was consistent and not one of the single biggest problems in the team culture.
What consistency? The only parallel seems to be similar results. The team culture was obviously very strong as opposed to non-existent.
Why would he complain about team culture if there was no problem with it?
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
What difference does team Culture make if the results are the same? It is a professional sport now now a amateur leisure time pursuit.
You appear to just be being a contrarian now, of course team culture makes a difference. It wont always lead to success but it's a better base than a crap team culture. Razor had a good team culture at the successful Crusaders.
A professional organisation creates a good culture, it's amateur to carry on with a shit one.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
What difference does team Culture make if the results are the same? It is a professional sport now now a amateur leisure time pursuit.
Because you get better results with a great team culture than you do with a toxic culture.
Can you really imagine Robertson's AB's losing a RWC by one point with 14 players?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
No I am saying that Ardie should have been just as damning of Foster not saying "hes my coach and I have his back" if he was consistent and not one of the single biggest problems in the team culture himself.
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Maybe because Ardie wasn't ignored by the Head Coach when he had problems/concerns
Are you saying the All Blacks should not be about test results but making Ardie Savea feel listened to and important?
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
No I am saying that Ardie should have been just as damning of Foster not saying "hes my coach and I have his back" if he was consistent and not one of the single biggest problems in the team culture himself.
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Maybe because Ardie wasn't ignored by the Head Coach when he had problems/concerns
Are you saying the All Blacks should not be about test results but making Ardie Savea feel listened to and important?
Why the focus exclusively on Savea?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
What difference does team Culture make if the results are the same? It is a professional sport now now a amateur leisure time pursuit.
Because you get better results with a great team culture than you do with a toxic culture.
Can you really imagine Robertson's AB's losing a RWC by one point with 14 players?
We will never know now but Foster did not win the RWC and the final meltdown due to poor discipline was quite predictable given discipline was a massive problem over his entire term as coach.
