All Blacks 2026
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2026:
I don't think you get two goes. He's as cooked as Mitch, IMO. If he's going to win two RWCs, they'll be two we don't win - unless he gets a go with our women.
I've been thinking some more about this. There's really no precedent I can remember for a second crack. The closest is Smith and he came back as an assistant. I don't see that being a fit for Robertson, his strengths seem to fit with being the CEO style head coach more than being the technical guru behind the scenes.
I think there are two key differences with Mitch/Deans though.
Firstly, he hasn't lost a world cup. Yes every game matters when you're ABs coach, but world cups matter a little bit more. That what if is tantalising and maybe enough if Robertson goes somewhere new and finds his old success again.
Secondly, at least from the outside, it doesn't feel like there are bridges being burned. Things just felt utterly toxic after 2003 (and even worse in 2007 after Deans missed out).
It still feels like a massive longshot that he ever gets the gig again though.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
So a little side discussion, who thinks this should be the end of Razor's AB career and who's willing to give him another shot?
If he goes away, coaches some other teams successfully, maybe some lower tier teams, obviously outside of the Cantab bubble, then I'd be happy to see him given another shot in the future, he's still a young guy. For reference I've never wanted to see Mitchell anywhere near NZ rugby.
How come ? strange guy, ended a couple of careers which NZ has never forgiven him for.....Not sure if all the behind the scenes chaos under Razor happened under his watch though ?
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2026:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
@Frank guess it depends how much of a challenge he wants too...I mean he's got a good gig in SA, in NZ, he would starting from scratch...
SA do not want Brown to head to the WC with NZ with IP from his time with SA who would want that taken away to another team.
SA are invincible. They don't need NZers. They're going to clone Rassie. And arguably they took our IP first...
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2026:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2026:
Another name is coming up under JJs coaching ticket Corey Jane.
That's obviously my mates leaking it from our messenger chat where I suggested it. piston wristed gibbons.
Hahaha defence coach and looking after the back three is what I am hearing, just another name in the mix.
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I'm missing some of the whispers, is Tony Brown being chased for Joseph only or for combining with other coaches?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2026:
Regardless of what lies ahead in future for Razor - the added benefit of experience overseas is he will expand his coaching network/tree.
And I wonder if he works with Scott Hansen again..
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@Cyclops Scott's 51 now.
Someone else is going to do two years. Then there will be someone for four years.
Is six years enough time to do penance and redeem himself? I'm pretty doubtful.
After that, he's getting long in the tooth unless he's done something fabulous.
I think you just run out of time and people have long memories.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
So a little side discussion, who thinks this should be the end of Razor's AB career and who's willing to give him another shot?
If he goes away, coaches some other teams successfully, maybe some lower tier teams, obviously outside of the Cantab bubble, then I'd be happy to see him given another shot in the future, he's still a young guy. For reference I've never wanted to see Mitchell anywhere near NZ rugby.
How come ? strange guy, ended a couple of careers which NZ has never forgiven him for.....Not sure if all the behind the scenes chaos under Razor happened under his watch though ?
Wait what? Were you not in NZ at the time? They were a clusterfuck off the field. There's a number of player books from that era that provide examples. There was cliques and factions all over the place which was one of the first things the new coaches had to fix in 2004.
The on field success they had was due to Henry's Blues game plan, and their failure in the crucial match was due to not adhering to one of the key parts of that plan which was aggressive forwards.
Unlike Razor he should never have been promoted to the job. He'd had one average season with the Chiefs yet somehow fooled a panel to allow him to go on his "journey".
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:
@Chris didnt @george33 or another mention Jane yesterday as being possible with JJ?
I have no idea just what I heard today.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
So a little side discussion, who thinks this should be the end of Razor's AB career and who's willing to give him another shot?
If he goes away, coaches some other teams successfully, maybe some lower tier teams, obviously outside of the Cantab bubble, then I'd be happy to see him given another shot in the future, he's still a young guy. For reference I've never wanted to see Mitchell anywhere near NZ rugby.
How come ? strange guy, ended a couple of careers which NZ has never forgiven him for.....Not sure if all the behind the scenes chaos under Razor happened under his watch though ?
Wait what? Were you not in NZ at the time? They were a clusterfuck off the field. There's a number of player books from that era that provide examples. There was cliques and factions all over the place which was one of the first things the new coaches had to fix in 2004.
The on field success they had was due to Henry's Blues game plan, and their failure in the crucial match was due to not adhering to one of the key parts of that plan which was aggressive forwards.
Unlike Razor he should never have been promoted to the job. He'd had one average season with the Chiefs yet somehow fooled a panel to allow him to go on his "journey".
No I wasn't.
I certainly get he wasn't exactly popular but that seems to pale in comparison to what I've heard on this thread about Razor.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
@Chris-B We're in some weird alternate universe where I think the Crusaders coach could possibly get another go and you don't.
Remember when everyone was mocking Robbie for having a pretty mediocre win-loss record with the Wallabies?
And pretty much all subsequent coaches have had much worse records.
You start to think Robbie wasn't that bad!
I don't want to go through that pain to get Razor back!
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2026:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:
So a little side discussion, who thinks this should be the end of Razor's AB career and who's willing to give him another shot?
If he goes away, coaches some other teams successfully, maybe some lower tier teams, obviously outside of the Cantab bubble, then I'd be happy to see him given another shot in the future, he's still a young guy. For reference I've never wanted to see Mitchell anywhere near NZ rugby.
How come ? strange guy, ended a couple of careers which NZ has never forgiven him for.....Not sure if all the behind the scenes chaos under Razor happened under his watch though ?
Wait what? Were you not in NZ at the time? They were a clusterfuck off the field. There's a number of player books from that era that provide examples. There was cliques and factions all over the place which was one of the first things the new coaches had to fix in 2004.
The on field success they had was due to Henry's Blues game plan, and their failure in the crucial match was due to not adhering to one of the key parts of that plan which was aggressive forwards.
Unlike Razor he should never have been promoted to the job. He'd had one average season with the Chiefs yet somehow fooled a panel to allow him to go on his "journey".
No I wasn't.
I certainly get he wasn't exactly popular but that seems to pale in comparison to what I've heard on this thread about Razor.
I wasn't on the Fern at the time so I don't know what the threads were like back then.
He was just an utter dick though. He sent out a young Jerry to face the press after the Oz loss. He "dropped" three injured players (Cullen, Goldie, and Cribb) which impacted their finances - Cribb wound up fighting NZR for years about it. IIRC there was a clear Cantabs v the rest clique which was what Henry needed to break up. He made Taine and Kees play for the Baabaas against the Maori when they both wanted to play for the Maori team. That's just some of the stuff I remember. I think him and Deans used to get on the piss a bit and were clashing with players over that too. (There some stuff I know that I don't know if it's public knowledge or not and I don't want to break the player's confidence ... hopefully none of the above its that stuff).
