All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@restofit said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Jamie Joseph has the job the work throughs are who the assistants are Hanson,Ellison and Ryan stay on or Jane,Lynn and McIntosh, come on board.
Pipe dream by NZR trying to get JJ and Rennie to work together maybe they can produce a miracle.
JJ was tagged for the Job before Rqzor was cut they are just working out how the above plays out.My sources tell me Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie could definitely work together - in fact the pair have spoken.
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
We will see,I hear Jane may take up a strategic coaching spot with the back 3.
Ellison may also stay as defence coach with Jane assisting .What are you hearing about Ryan & Evans (lineout coach)? Surely they will stay as they were the 2 assistants to do a fair job in 2025.
Nothing much about Evan’s,the players like Ryan he is a chance of staying.
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
My sources tell me Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie could definitely work together - in fact the pair have spoken.
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
What your track record for your sauce's accuracy mate?
Perfect premium ketchup, or rancid rotten Watties?I rate myself as somewhere in the middle. Most of my stuff comes through the Highlanders (hence JJ)
And if this turns out to be the case, I wouldn’t necessarily say I called it first - but from what I hear definitely a possibility that they could work together.
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
My sources tell me Jamie Joseph and Dave Rennie could definitely work together - in fact the pair have spoken.
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
What your track record for your sauce's accuracy mate?
Perfect premium ketchup, or rancid rotten Watties?I rate myself as somewhere in the middle. Most of my stuff comes through the Highlanders (hence JJ)
And if this turns out to be the case, I wouldn’t necessarily say I called it first - but from what I hear definitely a possibility that they could work together.
It would be mutually beneficial if they can settle who takes the HC title
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I would also be surprised if Ellison left. Him and Jamie get on well
That's where we are at now
Not coaching performance but that two of the coaches "get on".For me whether Ellison stays or goes depends on what his role was. If he was responsible for deciding and implementing our patterns then I'd prefer he left. If his job was to faithfully do what he was told to by the HC maybe he can stay if he's comfortable with doing what JJ wants
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Tim said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Also mentioned was that Dave Rennie had such a bad relationship with NZR, and particularly Steve Tew, that he didn't want to apply for AB coach in 2019.
One of Knowler's articles mentioned that Joseph's people reached out to NZR to get assurance that the 2023 AB coach position was going to be a genuine contest, and was not just rubber-stamping Robertson's appointment. Joseph did apply, but you can understand how Rennie might feel this time for the same reason.
Inviting applications for a rubber stamp process happened in 2019. Might it have been different in 2017?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So, a long list of 11 who met the criteria:
Joseph
Rennie
Schmidt
Foster
Hansen
Cotter
Deans
Mitchell
Smith
Gatland
Crowley
Pivac
HaigHave to shed two already and doubtless several people I've forgotten. I haven't considered people like Kirwan, Hammett, Henry, who surely aren't in any frames.
Simon Mannix? Currently coaching Portugal (was looking up their playing colours)
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So, a long list of 11 who met the criteria:
Joseph
Rennie
Schmidt
Foster
Hansen
Cotter
Deans
Mitchell
Smith
Gatland
Crowley
Pivac
Haigyeah, it's a terrible criteria as it's basically an over 60s club, most of these guys are close to retirement and in Japan setting up their families for life..
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@Tim said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Also mentioned was that Dave Rennie had such a bad relationship with NZR, and particularly Steve Tew, that he didn't want to apply for AB coach in 2019.
Finding it positive he wants to apply. Hopefully another sign things are being turned around at NZR
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@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Kirk is not that stupid to not have his ducks in a row before sacking Razor.
Done deal.Nope
Kirk is very big on Governance, and he has criticized previous selection processes.
He'll go out of his way to make sure it's done properly.
If only to show the rest of NZR how it should be done.
But may still end up where you said. -
@Chris-B said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So, a long list of 11 who met the criteria:
Joseph
Rennie
Schmidt
Foster
Hansen
Cotter
Deans
Mitchell
Smith
Gatland
Crowley
Pivac
HaigHave to shed two already and doubtless several people I've forgotten. I haven't considered people like Kirwan, Hammett, Henry, who surely aren't in any frames.
Having just watched the Brad Thorn padcast, I want him!
Think he ticks all the boxes, just. -
@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Having just watched the Brad Thorn padcast, I want him!
Think he ticks all the boxes, just.The likes of BBBT should def. be part of NZR's coaching development plans
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Kirk is not that stupid to not have his ducks in a row before sacking Razor.
Done deal.Nope
Kirk is very big on Governance, and he has criticized previous selection processes.
He'll go out of his way to make sure it's done properly.
If only to show the rest of NZR how it should be done.
But may still end up where you said.It has ended up that way just going through the process so it is seen to be done.
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@pakman said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@george33 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So apparently Fozzie and Hansen will apply for some roll.
This could get very interesting.A sausage roll, perhaps?
If so, things could get nasty.
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@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
t has ended up that way just going through the process so it is seen to be done.
I think there is more to it than that.
This aint just about the senior XV.
For example the recent appointment of the new BF HC doesn't look good at a superficial glance.
I'd be hoping that a thorough process was gone thru leading to that appointment. -
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm actually pleased NZR are talking to all and sundry and taking a broader look at skills and suitability. Makes a big change from simple succession and/or choosing someone on perceived charisma and PowerPoinf slides.
Wouldn't be surprised if they pick a head Coach to take us beyond 2027 but take a shorter-term view on assistants to fix short-term problems. Maybe that's the reason they're talking to people like Foster and Shag?
However, I think if you're going to list reasons Robertson was selected then his success with the Crusaders probably deserves a mention. Unless you're just making snide remarks while advocating for professional behaviour?
You don't think NZR picking Robertson on the basis he was incredibly successful with one team - the Crusaders - was the problem?
Minimal experience of how to handle failure, managing different team environments and absolutely zero experience of coaching at Test level - a masterclass in wishful thinking by NZR.
Thankfully, we seem to have moved on.
