All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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I'm speculating but one thing in his favour might be that he wasn’t one of the untouchable greats.
Plus he had to operate in a group that was pulled together from different environments rather than coming through a Crusaders pipeline with the same guys he'd already been playing with and still earn trust and influence. That could help develop strong people skills and a good feel for group dynamics, not just on-field excellence.
Being a very good player who had to work for his spot, manage emotion and fit into a broader leadership group might give more perspective than being the obvious generational talent. That kind of lens could be pretty useful on a panel.
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@Bones said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
It could also be as simple as that he accepted an offer when others didn't.
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
i can be cynical and so looking for why him other than those others weren't interested
yeah
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Having just watched the Brad Thorn padcast, I want him!
Think he ticks all the boxes, just.The likes of BBBT should def. be part of NZR's coaching development plans
Are you crazy? The guy was absolutely loathed by his players at end of his Red's tenure for his incessant bible thumping - And you want to bring that to the All Blacks?
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@restofit said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Having just watched the Brad Thorn padcast, I want him!
Think he ticks all the boxes, just.The likes of BBBT should def. be part of NZR's coaching development plans
Are you crazy? The guy was absolutely loathed by his players at end of his Red's tenure for his incessant bible thumping - And you want to bring that to the All Blacks?
Maybe Ardie and Brad could consolidate Bible groups and achieve unity that way?
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@junior said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@restofit said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Having just watched the Brad Thorn padcast, I want him!
Think he ticks all the boxes, just.The likes of BBBT should def. be part of NZR's coaching development plans
Are you crazy? The guy was absolutely loathed by his players at end of his Red's tenure for his incessant bible thumping - And you want to bring that to the All Blacks?
Maybe Ardie and Brad could consolidate Bible groups and achieve unity that way?
Mary Foster has a good ring to it.
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Interesting given some of the barbs aimed at Ardie.
Def think Fozzie might have something to add if he is bought in, particularly around player management
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Interesting given some of the barbs aimed at Ardie.
Def think Fozzie might have something to add if he is bought in, particularly around player management
I could be wrong but I don't think Ardie would have rung Razor.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I think its more interesting we now have Mealamu and Coles involved
Too many hookers now.
I'm thinking it might be as simple as being the senior recent AB player who is local (to HQ)? -
@restofit said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Having just watched the Brad Thorn padcast, I want him!
Think he ticks all the boxes, just.The likes of BBBT should def. be part of NZR's coaching development plans
Are you crazy? The guy was absolutely loathed by his players at end of his Red's tenure for his incessant bible thumping - And you want to bring that to the All Blacks?
Not quite what I said. Think NZR needs to start developing coaching talent in a proper way rather than haphazard. That means mentoring and assessing their ability for future roles. Thorn's an obvious candidate for that.
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@Bones said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Rennie is far superior in this respect.
Why is that
Just going off the opinions of Liam Napier and Gregor Paul who would obviously have a lot of contacts.
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@Bones said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Rennie is far superior in this respect.
Why is that
Aren't you the guy who was coached by Rens? did he manage you badly?
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@restofit said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Bones said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Rennie is far superior in this respect.
Why is that
Aren't you the guy who was coached by Rens? did he manage you badly?
Only guest coaching sessions. Obviously wasn't up to scratch for the full time gig.
Nah extremely good communicator, I was just interested in what had him light years ahead of JJ.
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
The consensus seems to be Joseph has the job merely because he coached NZ A.
But player mamangement is so important.
Rennie is far superior in this respect.Agreed. Jospeh has a poor record of player management. Current Highlanders squad is a shit show
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Does anyone recall what happened with the 2013 Highlanders? Looking at the squad it was pretty stacked but IIRC that season was a bit of a disaster. Coincidentally that was one of the seasons Rennie’s Chiefs were killing it with a lesser squad (on paper at least).
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Highlanders finished 9th in 2011, 11th in 2012, 2nd last in 2013, then Tony Brown & Dermody join as assistants, made the finals in 2014, won in 2015, Semi finals in 2016, then Joseph returns in 2025 without Brown and Highlanders finish 2nd last again.
So yes, Brown is the secret sauce.
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@restofit said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Highlanders finished 9th in 2011, 11th in 2012, 2nd last in 2013, then Tony Brown & Dermody join as assistants, made the finals in 2014, won in 2015, Semi finals in 2016, then Joseph returns in 2025 without Brown and Highlanders finish 2nd last again.
So yes, Brown is the secret sauce.
Fellows highlanders fans shoot me down when I point this out, but I challenge anyone to look at the Highlanders last season and tell me what plan was in attack and defence. One of the worst coached sides in the comp
