All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@pukunui My recollection is Thorn was injured and barely got on the field, while Woodcock and Nonu phoned it in all season or got red-carded, then suspended.
Yep but as pukunui rightly says either coach would have strengths. and I genuinely like both. Know former players coached be both (different players with each coach) and only heard good things about both!
Just look at the squads in 2015 when Highlanders won the comp. Funnily enough, thats the year Highlanders shouldn't have probably got near the Chiefs, and they whipped them 3 times didn't they? Lol I only half remember, because I got family in Chiefs country and I was busy telling them how the Canes would whip them (they did twice) and when we lost to Highlanders I explained to me brothers well they were couldn't get near a NZ team starting with 'H'. -
@pukunui said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Does anyone recall what happened with the 2013 Highlanders? Looking at the squad it was pretty stacked but IIRC that season was a bit of a disaster. Coincidentally that was one of the seasons Rennie’s Chiefs were killing it with a lesser squad (on paper at least).
i feel thats cherry picking a bit...you could also point to almost every other year of his tenure and say there was steady improvement ending in a title and looked like he learnt a lot from the season he tried to buy the title
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
The consensus seems to be Joseph has the job merely because he coached NZ A.
But player mamangement is so important.
Rennie is far superior in this respect.and thats simplifying things quite a bit, a successful NA campaign with positive review form players is important but also has good hinstory in the nz domestic scene plus overseas experience....its not like he was the only one available for NZA and fluked his way into it
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@Richie8-7 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I thought everyone agreed that it was all Nonu's fault when a Super team he moved to didn't perform
Nonu tended to save his awesomeness for the biggest stage, a bit like Frank Bunce before him.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I think its more interesting we now have Mealamu and Coles involved
Too many hookers now.
I'm thinking it might be as simple as being the senior recent AB player who is local (to HQ)?Yeah, compared with the rest of the panel he's someone with (relatively) recent experience of a professional rugby environment and what it takes to succeed.
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@Richie8-7 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I thought everyone agreed that it was all Nonu's fault when a Super team he moved to didn't perform
it wasn't just the team didnt perform....nonu was bang average, played like someone they knew they would still get picked for the AB's so could take it easy
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@pukunui said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Does anyone recall what happened with the 2013 Highlanders? Looking at the squad it was pretty stacked but IIRC that season was a bit of a disaster. Coincidentally that was one of the seasons Rennie’s Chiefs were killing it with a lesser squad (on paper at least).
i feel thats cherry picking a bit...you could also point to almost every other year of his tenure and say there was steady improvement ending in a title and looked like he learnt a lot from the season he tried to buy the title
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
The consensus seems to be Joseph has the job merely because he coached NZ A.
But player mamangement is so important.
Rennie is far superior in this respect.and thats simplifying things quite a bit, a successful NA campaign with positive review form players is important but also has good hinstory in the nz domestic scene plus overseas experience....its not like he was the only one available for NZA and fluked his way into it
Again, im not trying to create some narrative that JJ isn’t up to it. Genuinely interested to hear whether there was ever details about why that season wasn’t a success even with those players in the squad.
The bit about Rennie doing well with the chiefs that year was more of an afterthought when i realised that was one of the years he won it. -
@pukunui there are a few people on here that might have an actual inside word on that season...but just watching as a fan i always thought nonu looked like he didn't give a fuck and the guys around him asumed he was going to win things on his own so werent trying as hard as they normally would
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CBF'd reading the last 10 pages. Someone bring me up to speed. Who's the new coach and his assistants?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
CBF'd reading the last 10 pages. Someone bring me up to speed. Who's the new coach and his assistants?
Brad Thorn
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@antipodean said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
CBF'd reading the last 10 pages. Someone bring me up to speed. Who's the new coach and his assistants?
Brad Thorn
Excellent. His loose forwards hit rucks.
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Any updates or rumours from anyone on announcement timings?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
CBF'd reading the last 10 pages. Someone bring me up to speed. Who's the new coach and his assistants?
Joseph or Rennie. Foster's also involved - responsible for supplying the pies.
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@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
A contract has been offered - at current a long way apart.
To whoM and for what role?
Corrected
Or, I should correct. Jamie Joseph wants a six year contract, they are offering two.
I am unsure if the two year deal is a universal offer.
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
A contract has been offered - at current a long way apart.
To whoM and for what role?
Corrected
Or, I should correct. Jamie Joseph wants a six year contract, they are offering two.
I am unsure if the two year deal is a universal offer.
No one gets a straight 6 year deal after the Razor debacle. Maybe a 3 X 2 with a performance based out clause every 2
