Rugby League World Cup
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@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@chester-draws said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
In two year's time, when NZ and Australia finally work out what Boris Johnson has -- that once you've vaccinated the oldies and vulnerable then any more restrictions are merely attempting to hold back the tide -- we'll open our borders. And then we will, inevitably, get a surge in cases.
At about that time will the UK League nations want to visit us? Because if I was them, I'd say no.
If these were XBox ‘athletes’ holed up in their houses I’d get it.
But we’re talking about blokes who are sweating , bleeding and breathing over each other.
Agreed. Easy to trivialise when you ain't the one being breathed, sweated or spat (wittingly or unwittingly) on. One of the doctors at our work was telling me about the Delta variant numbers. Young adults and adolescents getting really sick now. Not just an old crumbly person's disease
@canefan said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@chester-draws said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
In two year's time, when NZ and Australia finally work out what Boris Johnson has -- that once you've vaccinated the oldies and vulnerable then any more restrictions are merely attempting to hold back the tide -- we'll open our borders. And then we will, inevitably, get a surge in cases.
At about that time will the UK League nations want to visit us? Because if I was them, I'd say no.
If these were XBox ‘athletes’ holed up in their houses I’d get it.
But we’re talking about blokes who are sweating , bleeding and breathing over each other.
Agreed. Easy to trivialise when you ain't the one being breathed, sweated or spat (wittingly or unwittingly) on. One of the doctors at our work was telling me about the Delta variant numbers. Young adults and adolescents getting really sick now. Not just an old crumbly person's disease
Sorry I wasn’t clear enough / you misinterpreted what I wrote
We’re talking about the 1% of the 1% in terms of physical fitness and wellness in the prime of their athletic careers.
If these athletes - who will be double jabbed before they leave the SH - can’t ‘tell’ COVID-19 to get fucked then the general population of Australia and NZ is fucked.
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@canefan said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@chester-draws said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
In two year's time, when NZ and Australia finally work out what Boris Johnson has -- that once you've vaccinated the oldies and vulnerable then any more restrictions are merely attempting to hold back the tide -- we'll open our borders. And then we will, inevitably, get a surge in cases.
At about that time will the UK League nations want to visit us? Because if I was them, I'd say no.
If these were XBox ‘athletes’ holed up in their houses I’d get it.
But we’re talking about blokes who are sweating , bleeding and breathing over each other.
Agreed. Easy to trivialise when you ain't the one being breathed, sweated or spat (wittingly or unwittingly) on. One of the doctors at our work was telling me about the Delta variant numbers. Young adults and adolescents getting really sick now. Not just an old crumbly person's disease
Sorry I wasn’t clear enough / you misinterpreted what I wrote
We’re talking about the 1% of the 1% in terms of physical fitness and wellness in the prime of their athletic careers.
If these athletes - who will be double jabbed before they leave the SH - can’t ‘tell’ COVID-19 to get fucked then the general population of Australia and NZ is fucked.
@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
If these athletes - who will be double jabbed before they leave the SH - can’t ‘tell’ COVID-19 to get fucked then the general population of Australia and NZ is fucked.
Unfortunately...
SENZ: KIWIS PULL OUT OF WORLD CUP WITH A "LARGE PORTION" OF PLAYERS UNWILLING TO BE VACCINATED
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@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
If these athletes - who will be double jabbed before they leave the SH - can’t ‘tell’ COVID-19 to get fucked then the general population of Australia and NZ is fucked.
Unfortunately...
SENZ: KIWIS PULL OUT OF WORLD CUP WITH A "LARGE PORTION" OF PLAYERS UNWILLING TO BE VACCINATED
@donsteppa said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
If these athletes - who will be double jabbed before they leave the SH - can’t ‘tell’ COVID-19 to get fucked then the general population of Australia and NZ is fucked.
Unfortunately...
SENZ: KIWIS PULL OUT OF WORLD CUP WITH A "LARGE PORTION" OF PLAYERS UNWILLING TO BE VACCINATED
OK, that's their choice
I'm a fit 54 year old and got over Covid in 48hrs
If I can, I'm sure they can / won't even know they've had it
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@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
If these athletes - who will be double jabbed before they leave the SH - can’t ‘tell’ COVID-19 to get fucked then the general population of Australia and NZ is fucked.
Unfortunately...
SENZ: KIWIS PULL OUT OF WORLD CUP WITH A "LARGE PORTION" OF PLAYERS UNWILLING TO BE VACCINATED
@donsteppa said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
If these athletes - who will be double jabbed before they leave the SH - can’t ‘tell’ COVID-19 to get fucked then the general population of Australia and NZ is fucked.
Unfortunately...
SENZ: KIWIS PULL OUT OF WORLD CUP WITH A "LARGE PORTION" OF PLAYERS UNWILLING TO BE VACCINATED
Organisers thinking of hosting the tournament in 2022 because NZ players won't get vaccinated
What The Actual Fuck???
I hope the general NZ population doesn't feel the same way about vaccination.
If they do, NZ isn't coming out of isolation any time soon.
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@donsteppa said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
If these athletes - who will be double jabbed before they leave the SH - can’t ‘tell’ COVID-19 to get fucked then the general population of Australia and NZ is fucked.
Unfortunately...
SENZ: KIWIS PULL OUT OF WORLD CUP WITH A "LARGE PORTION" OF PLAYERS UNWILLING TO BE VACCINATED
Organisers thinking of hosting the tournament in 2022 because NZ players won't get vaccinated
What The Actual Fuck???
I hope the general NZ population doesn't feel the same way about vaccination.
If they do, NZ isn't coming out of isolation any time soon.
@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@donsteppa said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
If these athletes - who will be double jabbed before they leave the SH - can’t ‘tell’ COVID-19 to get fucked then the general population of Australia and NZ is fucked.
Unfortunately...
SENZ: KIWIS PULL OUT OF WORLD CUP WITH A "LARGE PORTION" OF PLAYERS UNWILLING TO BE VACCINATED
Organisers thinking of hosting the tournament in 2022 because NZ players won't get vaccinated
What The Actual Fuck???
I hope the general NZ population doesn't feel the same way about vaccination.
If they do, NZ isn't coming out of isolation any time soon.
They’re all Australian based so don’t really reflect the NZ population.
Fucking idiots. Now I have no league team to support. They should just only select players who will get vaccinated and tell the rest to piss off.
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Aussie and NZ League authorities have been accused from the Speaker's Chair of the House of Commons of lacking bottle. Looks like the competition is going ahead even if certain teams have decided to stay at home.
https://twitter.com/JudithCummins/status/1418213146808881170?s=19
Don't really like League but here's my five cents anyway. Given Covid cases are already going down in the UK more than three months before the League World Cup starts (after a rapid vaccine rollout) and the coaches and players were keen to go, this is a poor decision by the Aussie and NZ League authorities. It looks really arrogant and shows contempt to the competition organisers. I'm afraid Australia and New Zealand as countries will lose a lot of friends and respect in the Rugby League heartlands in the North of England if the players are made to stay at home.
And I'm calling "bullshit" on the argument given of player safety. Seriously? Even at the height of the pandemic, young fit people were at more risk of death by road accidents in the UK than from Covid. Given the players have been offered double vaccination ahead of the Rugby League World Cup, their risks of serious injury on the coach out of Heathrow would be much, much higher than that from Covid.
@sparky said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
Don't really like League but here's my five cents anyway. Given Covid cases are already going down in the UK more than three months before the League World Cup starts (after a rapid vaccine rollout) and the coaches and players were keen to go, this is a poor decision by the Aussie and NZ League authorities.
Don't know where you've got that from. The UK is currently going through another exponential explosion in the number of cases. And with England removing all restrictions, that's likely to climb much higher before September.
Fortunately the number of hospitalisations and deaths is not rising as fast because they've done a good job with the vax roll-out, but still nervously waiting to see how much that goes up.
Having said that, I don't reckon the danger from covid is the reason they've withdrawn. The problem of players living in perpetual bubbles might be. Or it might just be down to a power / money play from the NRL, don't know.
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@sparky said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
Don't really like League but here's my five cents anyway. Given Covid cases are already going down in the UK more than three months before the League World Cup starts (after a rapid vaccine rollout) and the coaches and players were keen to go, this is a poor decision by the Aussie and NZ League authorities.
Don't know where you've got that from. The UK is currently going through another exponential explosion in the number of cases. And with England removing all restrictions, that's likely to climb much higher before September.
Fortunately the number of hospitalisations and deaths is not rising as fast because they've done a good job with the vax roll-out, but still nervously waiting to see how much that goes up.
Having said that, I don't reckon the danger from covid is the reason they've withdrawn. The problem of players living in perpetual bubbles might be. Or it might just be down to a power / money play from the NRL, don't know.
@gibbonrib said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@sparky said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
Don't really like League but here's my five cents anyway. Given Covid cases are already going down in the UK more than three months before the League World Cup starts (after a rapid vaccine rollout) and the coaches and players were keen to go, this is a poor decision by the Aussie and NZ League authorities.
Don't know where you've got that from.
The number of reported COVID cases in the UK has been dropping for the last two days, quite significantly today when you compare it to last Friday's figure.
https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1418587470384582656?s=19
This might be a temporary blip of course and cases could rise again. But unless you are an expert in UK public health, perhaps best not to make sweeping statements. Three months is long time and a lot could change before then.
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Don’t really blame Oz / NZ. I doubt the vaccine rollout would get down to their players within 3 months from what I’ve read.
Jury still out on where the UK will be in 3 months too. Pingdemic causing chaos at the moment too.
All in all, catastrophic for the tournament and also for any near future sport involving NZ / OZ. Precedent has been set.
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Don’t really blame Oz / NZ. I doubt the vaccine rollout would get down to their players within 3 months from what I’ve read.
Jury still out on where the UK will be in 3 months too. Pingdemic causing chaos at the moment too.
All in all, catastrophic for the tournament and also for any near future sport involving NZ / OZ. Precedent has been set.
@majorrage said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
I doubt the vaccine rollout would get down to their players within 3 months from what I’ve read.
My understanding is that sport teams like the Black Caps and the Olympians were prioritised for vaccinations before travelling. I caught the end of an interview with Sophie Devine yesterday where vaccines were also mentioned ahead of the White Ferns England tour. Sounded like the league players would almost certainly be vaccinated before travel, if they want it.
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@majorrage said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
I doubt the vaccine rollout would get down to their players within 3 months from what I’ve read.
My understanding is that sport teams like the Black Caps and the Olympians were prioritised for vaccinations before travelling. I caught the end of an interview with Sophie Devine yesterday where vaccines were also mentioned ahead of the White Ferns England tour. Sounded like the league players would almost certainly be vaccinated before travel, if they want it.
@donsteppa yup there is a process, but if the sport applies and the govt agrees, people can queue jump, already 86000 people have jumped ahead of vulnerable groups 'above' them
Group 4 86186 45876
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@gibbonrib said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@sparky said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
Don't really like League but here's my five cents anyway. Given Covid cases are already going down in the UK more than three months before the League World Cup starts (after a rapid vaccine rollout) and the coaches and players were keen to go, this is a poor decision by the Aussie and NZ League authorities.
Don't know where you've got that from.
The number of reported COVID cases in the UK has been dropping for the last two days, quite significantly today when you compare it to last Friday's figure.
https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1418587470384582656?s=19
This might be a temporary blip of course and cases could rise again. But unless you are an expert in UK public health, perhaps best not to make sweeping statements. Three months is long time and a lot could change before then.
@sparky said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@gibbonrib said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@sparky said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
Don't really like League but here's my five cents anyway. Given Covid cases are already going down in the UK more than three months before the League World Cup starts (after a rapid vaccine rollout) and the coaches and players were keen to go, this is a poor decision by the Aussie and NZ League authorities.
Don't know where you've got that from.
The number of reported COVID cases in the UK has been dropping for the last two days, quite significantly today when you compare it to last Friday's figure.
https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1418587470384582656?s=19
This might be a temporary blip of course and cases could rise again. But unless you are an expert in UK public health, perhaps best not to make sweeping statements. Three months is long time and a lot could change before then.
So because I'm not an expert in UK public health I should avoid making such statements ... and your qualifications are?
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Anyone confused by me saying the numbers in the UK are going up and Sparky's comment that they're going down: he's right that the last couple of days' numbers are down, but you don't have to be a public health expert to know that you can't read two much into one or two data points. Here's the 7 day average...
This spike started before "freedom day", so dropping all the restrictions (in England, it's a bit different in Scotland and Wales) is likely to increase it rather than turn it around. It's not good, but the high vaccination levels help a lot - levels of hospitalisation and death are not going up as much.
It is very hard to say what it'll look like in 3 months when the RLWC was meant to be. But we know that politically Bojo's very unlikely to consider another lockdown or many restrictions. Safe to say that it'll be a bit different to NZ.
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@sparky said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
Don't really like League but here's my five cents anyway. Given Covid cases are already going down in the UK more than three months before the League World Cup starts (after a rapid vaccine rollout) and the coaches and players were keen to go, this is a poor decision by the Aussie and NZ League authorities.
Don't know where you've got that from. The UK is currently going through another exponential explosion in the number of cases. And with England removing all restrictions, that's likely to climb much higher before September.
Fortunately the number of hospitalisations and deaths is not rising as fast because they've done a good job with the vax roll-out, but still nervously waiting to see how much that goes up.
Having said that, I don't reckon the danger from covid is the reason they've withdrawn. The problem of players living in perpetual bubbles might be. Or it might just be down to a power / money play from the NRL, don't know.
@gibbonrib said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
Having said that, I don't reckon the danger from covid is the reason they've withdrawn. The problem of players living in perpetual bubbles might be. Or it might just be down to a power / money play from the NRL, don't know.
That's one of the main problems. The NRL is struggling to keep their competition alive with all teams relocating to Qld so it has already been a disruptive season. Add in the 2 weeks quarantine on return to Aust and NZ, so more time away from families.
I actually hope that the tournament goes ahead as an "up yours" to the ARLC.
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@gibbonrib said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
Having said that, I don't reckon the danger from covid is the reason they've withdrawn. The problem of players living in perpetual bubbles might be. Or it might just be down to a power / money play from the NRL, don't know.
That's one of the main problems. The NRL is struggling to keep their competition alive with all teams relocating to Qld so it has already been a disruptive season. Add in the 2 weeks quarantine on return to Aust and NZ, so more time away from families.
I actually hope that the tournament goes ahead as an "up yours" to the ARLC.
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@bovidae
You think there's any possibility at all of them holding it without A & NZ? I don't follow league much so no idea, just assumed that with 2 of the top teams gone it would be dead in the waterThis is what I have read:
Furious World Cup officials will meet with representatives of the remaining 12 nations this weekend, as they weigh up what to do following Thursday's withdrawal. It's understood postponing until next year is the least likely option on the table, behind going ahead without Meninga and Maguire's teams or cancelling it altogether.
The UK Govt has committed money to hold the tournament this year so there is a concern they could lose that funding.
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This is what I have read:
Furious World Cup officials will meet with representatives of the remaining 12 nations this weekend, as they weigh up what to do following Thursday's withdrawal. It's understood postponing until next year is the least likely option on the table, behind going ahead without Meninga and Maguire's teams or cancelling it altogether.
The UK Govt has committed money to hold the tournament this year so there is a concern they could lose that funding.
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@bovidae So it could actually happen? England might actually have a chance of winning a world cup?
I will laugh like a drain if they end up losing to Tonga
@gibbonrib They would have to get past the might of the Isle of Man, Gibraltar, Canary Islands and Lichtenstein in pool play before encountering someone like Georgia in the quarters and PNG in the semis before they can even think about taking on the Mate Ma'a in the final.
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@canefan said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
@chester-draws said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
In two year's time, when NZ and Australia finally work out what Boris Johnson has -- that once you've vaccinated the oldies and vulnerable then any more restrictions are merely attempting to hold back the tide -- we'll open our borders. And then we will, inevitably, get a surge in cases.
At about that time will the UK League nations want to visit us? Because if I was them, I'd say no.
If these were XBox ‘athletes’ holed up in their houses I’d get it.
But we’re talking about blokes who are sweating , bleeding and breathing over each other.
Agreed. Easy to trivialise when you ain't the one being breathed, sweated or spat (wittingly or unwittingly) on. One of the doctors at our work was telling me about the Delta variant numbers. Young adults and adolescents getting really sick now. Not just an old crumbly person's disease
Sorry I wasn’t clear enough / you misinterpreted what I wrote
We’re talking about the 1% of the 1% in terms of physical fitness and wellness in the prime of their athletic careers.
If these athletes - who will be double jabbed before they leave the SH - can’t ‘tell’ COVID-19 to get fucked then the general population of Australia and NZ is fucked.
@mikethesnow said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
If these athletes - who will be double jabbed before they leave the SH - can’t ‘tell’ COVID-19 to get fucked then the general population of Australia and NZ is fucked.
It's not about safety. About 2 weeks ago their rumours about Australia pulling out because quarantine etc wouldn't leave enough time for proper break + proper nrl pre-season.
That was quashed by organizers. But a few weeks later they pull out for safety reasons.
Its obviously a bullshit reason, bullshit as in not the truth.
SH rugby league is effectively controlled by NRL, who are a club controlled body, not that interested in success of international league or the world cup. The ARL died in the super league war. The ARLC is a compromise replacement.
So, decision is really an NRL one, made easier by players being bubble fatigued. But its embarrassing to admit that club pre season trumps a world cup in their priorities. So, "player safety" gets trotted out.
Not sure on NZRLs motives, but their player pool is most effected by 'away from home' fatigue.
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I think it just shows how much the players really give a shit about the league “world” cup. They’re not scared of Covid, just the pain in the arse of travel, bubbles, inconvenience etc etc. I’m willing to bet they’d do it for Origin or the NRL finals, but for this? Not so much.
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I think it just shows how much the players really give a shit about the league “world” cup. They’re not scared of Covid, just the pain in the arse of travel, bubbles, inconvenience etc etc. I’m willing to bet they’d do it for Origin or the NRL finals, but for this? Not so much.
@rancid-schnitzel said in 2021 Rugby League World Cup:
I think it just shows how much the players really give a shit about the league “world” cup. They’re not scared of Covid, just the pain in the arse of travel, bubbles, inconvenience etc etc. I’m willing to bet they’d do it for Origin or the NRL finals, but for this? Not so much.
I reckon this is bang on. The international game is the peak for rugby; for league it's a sideshow.
