Pumas v All Blacks
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@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
Carter at 10 too a huge factor there.
@kiwimurph said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
Carter at 10 too a huge factor there.
We were better under late McCaw (I remember Cardiff and how uncomposed that team was).
And that was largely Cruden.
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@gt12 said in Pumas v All Blacks:
It's a good point that right now we only seem to have one game plan.
Kind of feels like we've returned to the 2000s - we'll score 50 if it works or it'll be a wrestle if it doesn't.
I would hope that players like Barrett, TJP, and McKenzie consider that (or have it put to them).
Do you think we're just concentrating on one style at the moment. We might change it up for the EOYT.
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@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
Carter at 10 too a huge factor there.
@kiwimurph said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
Carter at 10 too a huge factor there.
Actually I think the Nonu-Smith combo is a much bigger factor. SBW and ALB might throw the odd miracle ball but neither is a patch on their respective predecessors, particularly in terms of passing and being able to take some pressure off the flyhalf.
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@kiwimurph said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@tim Think we lack McCaw's leadership. Hallmark of his team was ability to go back to basics.
Carter at 10 too a huge factor there.
Actually I think the Nonu-Smith combo is a much bigger factor. SBW and ALB might throw the odd miracle ball but neither is a patch on their respective predecessors, particularly in terms of passing and being able to take some pressure off the flyhalf.
Also an excellent point.
I thought both SBW and ALB looked better tonight.
There were two or three times when ALB made just the right decision defending the outside break, stopping things cold. I used to hate that situation so much, and it was a huge strength of Smiths. If he can get accurate at that, we'll be in a great defensive situation going forward with Crotty also around.
I also liked it how ALB got more involved once SBW went off too.
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@nepia said in Pumas v All Blacks:
Lucky TVs are wide screen now or Bates' ears wouldn't be in the frame!
and high for Webers forehead
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@nepia said in Pumas v All Blacks:
Lucky TVs are wide screen now or Bates' ears wouldn't be in the frame!
@nepia said in Pumas v All Blacks:
Lucky TVs are wide screen now or Bates' ears wouldn't be in the frame!
Fuck off out of a decent rugby team thread
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What a dreadful second half that was.
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First test match I've thought McKenzie could be a keeper. By far his best match in Black. Barrett was good in the 1st 40. As was SBW. 2nd half was pretty muck.
As for Laurie Mains and Rugby Clichés 101 "The Pumas have a good scrum". Um, no they don't. Their scrum has been poor this RC, and was once again very average.
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First test match I've thought McKenzie could be a keeper. By far his best match in Black. Barrett was good in the 1st 40. As was SBW. 2nd half was pretty muck.
As for Laurie Mains and Rugby Clichés 101 "The Pumas have a good scrum". Um, no they don't. Their scrum has been poor this RC, and was once again very average.
@billy-tell said in Pumas v All Blacks:
First test match I've thought McKenzie could be a keeper. By far his best match in Black. Barrett was good in the 1st 40. As was SBW. 2nd half was pretty muck.
As for Laurie Mains and Rugby Clichés 101 "The Pumas have a good scrum". Um, no they don't. Their scrum has been poor this RC, and was once again very average.
Yup. The Pumas have had a good scrum in the past. The B side scrum smashed them today, made worse by the Argies terrible technique. (Case in point, the guy who got sent off for his plank-like engage.)
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@billy-tell said in Pumas v All Blacks:
First test match I've thought McKenzie could be a keeper. By far his best match in Black. Barrett was good in the 1st 40. As was SBW. 2nd half was pretty muck.
As for Laurie Mains and Rugby Clichés 101 "The Pumas have a good scrum". Um, no they don't. Their scrum has been poor this RC, and was once again very average.
Yup. The Pumas have had a good scrum in the past. The B side scrum smashed them today, made worse by the Argies terrible technique. (Case in point, the guy who got sent off for his plank-like engage.)
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Missed the second half live so logged off the thread. Watched replay yesterday arvo so will pipe up with my remaining 2c now ...
@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@mokey It's definitely been a big step up.
Yeah nah not really. He's been playing well over most of the season. His errors in previous games have been highly visible though. Subsequently any other errors just serve people's confirmation bias. He wasn't by any means error free yesterday but they were less consequential. And he got outjumped at least once, short arse. And his attack was as potent as it has been all year.
I think he'd been harshly judged previously. But once you get a reputation, deserved or otherwise, you're not shaking it for some considerable time.
Perhaps he was slightly better ie a couple less errors but not a "big" step up.
My MOTM.
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How can you blow time off, ask players to move, then say you see it on the ground after a minute?
@anonymous said in Pumas v All Blacks:
How can you blow time off, ask players to move, then say you see it on the ground after a minute?
That was awful refereeing. Stop the play, Can't see the ball, wait 30s until you can while the players are still playing it.
Terrible use of the TMO protocols.
I'm taking 36-3, 5 tries to nil
Edit: Engrish
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Why wasn't that Puma allowed to attack the ball after coming through that maul?
@taniwharugby said in Pumas v All Blacks:
Why wasn't that Puma allowed to attack the ball after coming through that maul?
The Todd rule?
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Another awful cross field kick from Beauden to sum up the 2nd half to date.
@no-quarter said in Pumas v All Blacks:
Another awful cross field kick from Beauden to sum up the 2nd half to date.
Beaudie is doing a bit much of that.
Low percentage option in each case.
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Hate to be the team that comes up against us if we can string it together for 60+ mins
@taniwharugby said in Pumas v All Blacks:
Hate to be the team that comes up against us if we can string it together for 60+ mins
Springboks at Albany?
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@nepia that was less than 60
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Missed the second half live so logged off the thread. Watched replay yesterday arvo so will pipe up with my remaining 2c now ...
@tim said in Pumas v All Blacks:
@mokey It's definitely been a big step up.
Yeah nah not really. He's been playing well over most of the season. His errors in previous games have been highly visible though. Subsequently any other errors just serve people's confirmation bias. He wasn't by any means error free yesterday but they were less consequential. And he got outjumped at least once, short arse. And his attack was as potent as it has been all year.
I think he'd been harshly judged previously. But once you get a reputation, deserved or otherwise, you're not shaking it for some considerable time.
Perhaps he was slightly better ie a couple less errors but not a "big" step up.
My MOTM.
@booboo
re dMac - yeah, on a rewatch today (slightly more sober) - he still made mistakes, but got away with them. And his "run sideways until I spot a gap" actually came off once or twice. So - played as he normally does, but the opposition flattered him a bit.re: the referee and the Argy try - what the actual fuck? That just seemed like a pity try, or listening to the constant Argy yapping. And fuck - there was a lot of that... is there a correlation between the amount players yap at refs vs how popular sook-er is in that country? I wish I wasn't too lazy to make a chart on that.
re: Beaudie's cross field kick - again, what the actual fuck? Indeed - way too much of that recently when it's not necessary. On a replay - sure, he was kicking to 5 ABs vs 1 Blue-n-White... but that's still a 1-in-6 chance of no-try, when just being patient and passing it out was almost a sure thing. There was also the little chip-kick through at some point, too drunk to remember if it was BB or TJP?... which seemed like a sure try if they were patient, but fucked up trying to be fancy. Like everybody, I love the fancy shit when it comes off, but, just... 2 chances that just reeked of unnecessary.
