All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson
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Actually, on NMS. Fuck that makes me angry watching that first try and seeing him come in off his wing to tackle a guy who was already clearly well and truly covered. What kind of a fucking decision was that? There was no overlap and not even the hint of an overlap. He's got to go.
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Actually, on NMS. Fuck that makes me angry watching that first try and seeing him come in off his wing to tackle a guy who was already clearly well and truly covered. What kind of a fucking decision was that? There was no overlap and not even the hint of an overlap. He's got to go.
Yep. If his speed is gone then he better do everything else farking perfectly. That was shocking.
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@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
I disagree on laumape. I'm a fan, but I think he carves up late because defensive lines are slower. He's a brick, but he's not big, and a well set line will stop him. If he hits someone slightly on the back foot though, lethal. Ideal impact sub for that reason, even if it goes against the usual type.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
I disagree on laumape. I'm a fan, but I think he carves up late because defensive lines are slower. He's a brick, but he's not big, and a well set line will stop him. If he hits someone slightly on the back foot though, lethal. Ideal impact sub for that reason, even if it goes against the usual type.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
I disagree on laumape. I'm a fan, but I think he carves up late because defensive lines are slower. He's a brick, but he's not big, and a well set line will stop him. If he hits someone slightly on the back foot though, lethal. Ideal impact sub for that reason, even if it goes against the usual type.
Ever seen him in real life? The guy is a farking nugget. He isn't tall but he's just as wide, with an absolute ridiculous set of thighs. Tackling that for an entire game would be hell. I'd rather take a lock. Him being able to brutalise defences for 80 minutes is a massive advantage. I wasn't sold on him at 12 for the ABs, but after the Aus game I'm more than happy to have him there.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
I disagree on laumape. I'm a fan, but I think he carves up late because defensive lines are slower. He's a brick, but he's not big, and a well set line will stop him. If he hits someone slightly on the back foot though, lethal. Ideal impact sub for that reason, even if it goes against the usual type.
Ever seen him in real life? The guy is a farking nugget. He isn't tall but he's just as wide, with an absolute ridiculous set of thighs. Tackling that for an entire game would be hell. I'd rather take a lock. Him being able to brutalise defences for 80 minutes is a massive advantage. I wasn't sold on him at 12 for the ABs, but after the Aus game I'm more than happy to have him there.
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@rancid-schnitzel nah he can't even make the bench when the ABs have a club standard player on the wing.
Him at Goodhue tore it up as 12 and 13 for Canterbury. He's not a 13 but as far as I know had never played there before Boyd threw him in. I still maintain it's his best position although I'm more than happy to keep the backline used against Australia. Thought the Laumape Goodhue pairing worked very well. What I liked about Laumape was that he ran hard and straight the entire game. He was taken down in the first half but eventually the effort needed to tackle the square shaped freak was too much and he started carving up. Imagine having to mark and tackle that for 80 minutes!
I disagree on laumape. I'm a fan, but I think he carves up late because defensive lines are slower. He's a brick, but he's not big, and a well set line will stop him. If he hits someone slightly on the back foot though, lethal. Ideal impact sub for that reason, even if it goes against the usual type.
Ever seen him in real life? The guy is a farking nugget. He isn't tall but he's just as wide, with an absolute ridiculous set of thighs. Tackling that for an entire game would be hell. I'd rather take a lock. Him being able to brutalise defences for 80 minutes is a massive advantage. I wasn't sold on him at 12 for the ABs, but after the Aus game I'm more than happy to have him there.
I think he and ALB could be horses for courses. Laumape can cause havoc if the opposition lack size in their midfield, but ALB might be a better option if they're playing a couple of big boppers. Both offer a lot either starting or off the bench.
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Actually, on NMS. Fuck that makes me angry watching that first try and seeing him come in off his wing to tackle a guy who was already clearly well and truly covered. What kind of a fucking decision was that? There was no overlap and not even the hint of an overlap. He's got to go.
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Actually, on NMS. Fuck that makes me angry watching that first try and seeing him come in off his wing to tackle a guy who was already clearly well and truly covered. What kind of a fucking decision was that? There was no overlap and not even the hint of an overlap. He's got to go.
Id be surprised if he is still there next year ,
I reckon they have brought him in , in the hope they can recapture his 2015 form , he was a revelation that year ,
I think those injuries have taken their toll on him ,
Not the same athlete
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ALB looks like a monster in this photo
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
ALB looks like a monster in this photo
You talking about his face or size?
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Best moment for me was after the game. Watching the Haka that Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi's family did was spine chilling stuff . Might even have got some dust in my eye watching that.
@synicbast said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
Best moment for me was after the game. Watching the Haka that Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi's family did was spine chilling stuff . Might even have got some dust in my eye watching that.
Yeah not sure how the air conditioner was leaking just as I was watching that...
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
ALB looks like a monster in this photo
You talking about his face or size?
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I really want Alaimalo in the AB setup ASAP. He's very classy and his game looks well suited to test footy. I hope they don't persist with NMS for much longer.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
I really want Alaimalo in the AB setup ASAP. He's very classy and his game looks well suited to test footy. I hope they don't persist with NMS for much longer.
FABGB
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@nzzp haven't watched it again but that would usually be what your blindside winger is tracking to tidy up...
@bones said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
@nzzp haven't watched it again but that would usually be what your blindside winger is tracking to tidy up...
It was the one fear I had before the test that given the pace of the Argies backs, NMS would be exposed.
The Argies showed against the Boks that with width they have the passing and running game to trouble any side. Hopefully they bring it next weekend.
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Great game, props to the Argies who are getting better but I thought the score line was fair. If you are going to live by the sword you will die by it against ABs. That we can roll out ALB, Karl T., Frizell is just amazing. TJP’s best game in black, once injuries pass we will be spoilt for prop depth. Was pretty disappointed with our wings though, no way you can tell me that we don’t have better choices playing in Mitre 10. Also I think Coltman’s throwing has to be better than Harris. Would still love to see atom Franklin brought into the squad to.
What is really noticeable to me is the level of our forwards ball handling skill. They have worked hard on some of those pressure handling situations since 2012 and I think it is really paying off. Tough for other teams to consistently match this.
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Great game, props to the Argies who are getting better but I thought the score line was fair. If you are going to live by the sword you will die by it against ABs. That we can roll out ALB, Karl T., Frizell is just amazing. TJP’s best game in black, once injuries pass we will be spoilt for prop depth. Was pretty disappointed with our wings though, no way you can tell me that we don’t have better choices playing in Mitre 10. Also I think Coltman’s throwing has to be better than Harris. Would still love to see atom Franklin brought into the squad to.
What is really noticeable to me is the level of our forwards ball handling skill. They have worked hard on some of those pressure handling situations since 2012 and I think it is really paying off. Tough for other teams to consistently match this.
@dmx said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:
What is really noticeable to me is the level of our forwards ball handling skill. They have worked hard on some of those pressure handling situations since 2012 and I think it is really paying off. Tough for other teams to consistently match this.
They did a fun little montage on Rugby Nation last night comparing 2012 to 2018 of the forwards ball handling in those 'pod take it to to the line and then distribute' tactic.
I confess, back in 2012 and 2013 i thought that tactic was a bit arrogant, good time rugby not test rugby. Capable of shredding a team on a good day but opening ourselves up to be flattened on a bad day.
Also, it seemed predictable back then. Retallick was the only distributor and even if successful pass and catch was executed the catcher would get 2 metres forward and be isolated and turned over as Retallick was also tackled as he distributed.
These days we have Retallick, S Barrett, O Franks as potential distributors, and with runners left and right, and 2 out of those 3 dangerous runners in their own right, better handling and timing skills. It's very dangerous.
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I thought against Oz1 the little pass between the two forwards was getting far too obvious, the Ozzies picked it up most of the time in the first half. But it makes me wonder, is this on purpose, it means the opposition defence have to make two tackles every time. Because it is so late, the tackle the passer and the receiver. Must make for hard work. But as the game/games went on the variation of the forwards passes increased, to an amazing level. Then I watched the Oz SA game an was appalled by the lack of skills. Maybe I'm spoilt with watching the ABs but the Oz/SA forwards did nothing at all passing wise, just run it into contact. Bugger all offloads too, it was so bad it was like League
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I thought against Oz1 the little pass between the two forwards was getting far too obvious, the Ozzies picked it up most of the time in the first half. But it makes me wonder, is this on purpose, it means the opposition defence have to make two tackles every time. Because it is so late, the tackle the passer and the receiver. Must make for hard work. But as the game/games went on the variation of the forwards passes increased, to an amazing level. Then I watched the Oz SA game an was appalled by the lack of skills. Maybe I'm spoilt with watching the ABs but the Oz/SA forwards did nothing at all passing wise, just run it into contact. Bugger all offloads too, it was so bad it was like League
@machpants also a tactic to draw in Pocock to make the tackle thus meaning it is that little bit harder for him to pilfer.
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@machpants also a tactic to draw in Pocock to make the tackle thus meaning it is that little bit harder for him to pilfer.
@taniwharugby Yeah that on has been around since the RWC2011!
Laughed at The Wrap by Geoff Parkes on theroar.com.au (ref the other game)
"The word ‘resilience’ could just as easily be applied to fans of both sides, forced to sit through a muddling, mostly skill-free affair, expected to front up again next weekend, anticipating a better performance."
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@taniwharugby Yeah that on has been around since the RWC2011!
Laughed at The Wrap by Geoff Parkes on theroar.com.au (ref the other game)
"The word ‘resilience’ could just as easily be applied to fans of both sides, forced to sit through a muddling, mostly skill-free affair, expected to front up again next weekend, anticipating a better performance."
@machpants and yet Aus persist with a tactic that is easily nullified.
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At about the 60 minute mark. My eyes were telling me that NZ would have been better off slowing this game down, working some set pieces etc if they could.
My mind was telling me. Don't be fooloed. Remember recent history between these 2 teams. This is when it starts to change.
On the scoreboard I guess it did finally, but only in the last 10 mins? Argentina ended up dominating the second half possesion and territory stats - both by about 66-67%.
Was quite a strange game. It will be interesting to see what part the 1014 show choose to analyse as there were quite a few anomolies in this game.
For a while I've thought the "superior fitness" explanantion is just lazy analysis.
I do think the early subs in the first 10 minutes delayed the NZ bench pulling the game away.
I also think we had an extremely inexperienced 15 out on the field for most of the last 20 minutes (very valuable). -
This was the playing 15 at the end of the match (inlcding Savea and Frizell each playing 80 for the first time in months):
Smith
Milner-Skudder
Goodhue
ALB
McKenzie
Mo'uga
TTT
L Whitelock
Savea
Frizell
S Whitelock
S Barrett
Tu'ungafasi
Harris
Perry
