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@bovidae said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
Always a very knowledgeable guy.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33541834/long-nfl-reporter-john-clayton-dies-67
I was quite surprised. He's younger than I thought. Always seemed like a knowledgeable guy
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@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
More QB movement
Matt Ryan traded to the Colts for a 3rd round pick.
Falcons sign Marcus Mariota.
Mariota? Do they think they can get a tune out of him, or is he a cheap replacement while they rebuild?
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@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
More QB movement
Matt Ryan traded to the Colts for a 3rd round pick.
Falcons sign Marcus Mariota.
Mariota? Do they think they can get a tune out of him, or is he a cheap replacement while they rebuild?
@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
More QB movement
Matt Ryan traded to the Colts for a 3rd round pick.
Falcons sign Marcus Mariota.
Mariota? Do they think they can get a tune out of him, or is he a cheap replacement while they rebuild?
More the latter. Falcons had to eat a huge chunk of salary cap to deal Ryan.
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@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
More QB movement
Matt Ryan traded to the Colts for a 3rd round pick.
Falcons sign Marcus Mariota.
Mariota? Do they think they can get a tune out of him, or is he a cheap replacement while they rebuild?
More the latter. Falcons had to eat a huge chunk of salary cap to deal Ryan.
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
More QB movement
Matt Ryan traded to the Colts for a 3rd round pick.
Falcons sign Marcus Mariota.
Mariota? Do they think they can get a tune out of him, or is he a cheap replacement while they rebuild?
More the latter. Falcons had to eat a huge chunk of salary cap to deal Ryan.
I didn't track him last year, but Matt Ryan will be an upgrade on Wentz if he has any juice left
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@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
More QB movement
Matt Ryan traded to the Colts for a 3rd round pick.
Falcons sign Marcus Mariota.
Mariota? Do they think they can get a tune out of him, or is he a cheap replacement while they rebuild?
More the latter. Falcons had to eat a huge chunk of salary cap to deal Ryan.
40m dead cap. Almost 20% of the total cap.
Baker still on the market but that's about it. Saints signing Winston to a 2 year deal. Can't see Baker moving anywhere now, and Jimmy will presumably stay at the 49ers. Maybe the Panthers might a move for one of them. Don't think either is a clear upgrade on Darnold though. Small improvement probably but they're probably better off with the picks and cap space. Very small chance that the Seahawks make a move. They seem happy with what they've got and more likely to treat Lock as a bridge while they develop a rookie.
Other than that, looks like the QB market is pretty much settled until draft day.
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@dice said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
Remember the days when you could get a 1st for Sam Bradford?
Unique situation when Vikings lost their starting QB to an ACL one week before the season.
@kiwimurph True, although I don't think he was close to being worth a 1st.
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40m dead cap. Almost 20% of the total cap.
Baker still on the market but that's about it. Saints signing Winston to a 2 year deal. Can't see Baker moving anywhere now, and Jimmy will presumably stay at the 49ers. Maybe the Panthers might a move for one of them. Don't think either is a clear upgrade on Darnold though. Small improvement probably but they're probably better off with the picks and cap space. Very small chance that the Seahawks make a move. They seem happy with what they've got and more likely to treat Lock as a bridge while they develop a rookie.
Other than that, looks like the QB market is pretty much settled until draft day.
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@cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.
Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old
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@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.
Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old
@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.
Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old
You could argue it either way. The two best QBs out of that Draft were the two most physically gifted QBs (Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson).
Considering the Browns history Baker did ok but he was always a weird choice for 1 overall - he was small, not an elite athlete and not a huge arm. In fairness there wasn't a slam dunk choice though as they were rightly wary of Darnold and Rosen.
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@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.
Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old
You could argue it either way. The two best QBs out of that Draft were the two most physically gifted QBs (Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson).
Considering the Browns history Baker did ok but he was always a weird choice for 1 overall - he was small, not an elite athlete and not a huge arm. In fairness there wasn't a slam dunk choice though as they were rightly wary of Darnold and Rosen.
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.
Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old
You could argue it either way. The two best QBs out of that Draft were the two most physically gifted QBs (Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson).
Considering the Browns history Baker did ok but he was always a weird choice for 1 overall - he was small, not an elite athlete and not a huge arm. In fairness there wasn't a slam dunk choice though as they were rightly wary of Darnold and Rosen.
Lamar has to get busy in the playoffs. Allen looks to have a great chance to get a championship to Buffalo finally, especially if the Bills keep spending up to strengthen for next season
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@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.
Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old
You could argue it either way. The two best QBs out of that Draft were the two most physically gifted QBs (Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson).
Considering the Browns history Baker did ok but he was always a weird choice for 1 overall - he was small, not an elite athlete and not a huge arm. In fairness there wasn't a slam dunk choice though as they were rightly wary of Darnold and Rosen.
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.
Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old
You could argue it either way. The two best QBs out of that Draft were the two most physically gifted QBs (Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson).
Considering the Browns history Baker did ok but he was always a weird choice for 1 overall - he was small, not an elite athlete and not a huge arm. In fairness there wasn't a slam dunk choice though as they were rightly wary of Darnold and Rosen.
Mayfield turned the Browns around - by personality, not by skill. If he doesn't go there, the Browns don't land Watson (or many of the other pros who wound up there).
So, as a pure QB, not that great. As a 1 pick for Browns, he was a massive win and got them credible again
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speaking of first round picks
@kiwimurph so basically QBs with long careers are the exception not the rule
