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@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.
Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old
You could argue it either way. The two best QBs out of that Draft were the two most physically gifted QBs (Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson).
Considering the Browns history Baker did ok but he was always a weird choice for 1 overall - he was small, not an elite athlete and not a huge arm. In fairness there wasn't a slam dunk choice though as they were rightly wary of Darnold and Rosen.
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.
Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old
You could argue it either way. The two best QBs out of that Draft were the two most physically gifted QBs (Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson).
Considering the Browns history Baker did ok but he was always a weird choice for 1 overall - he was small, not an elite athlete and not a huge arm. In fairness there wasn't a slam dunk choice though as they were rightly wary of Darnold and Rosen.
Lamar has to get busy in the playoffs. Allen looks to have a great chance to get a championship to Buffalo finally, especially if the Bills keep spending up to strengthen for next season
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@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.
Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old
You could argue it either way. The two best QBs out of that Draft were the two most physically gifted QBs (Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson).
Considering the Browns history Baker did ok but he was always a weird choice for 1 overall - he was small, not an elite athlete and not a huge arm. In fairness there wasn't a slam dunk choice though as they were rightly wary of Darnold and Rosen.
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.
Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old
You could argue it either way. The two best QBs out of that Draft were the two most physically gifted QBs (Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson).
Considering the Browns history Baker did ok but he was always a weird choice for 1 overall - he was small, not an elite athlete and not a huge arm. In fairness there wasn't a slam dunk choice though as they were rightly wary of Darnold and Rosen.
Mayfield turned the Browns around - by personality, not by skill. If he doesn't go there, the Browns don't land Watson (or many of the other pros who wound up there).
So, as a pure QB, not that great. As a 1 pick for Browns, he was a massive win and got them credible again
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speaking of first round picks
@kiwimurph so basically QBs with long careers are the exception not the rule
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loooooooooool
the Tebow stuff is meme-worthy funny
but trying to get professional footballers not to fuck?
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“A little ahead of it’s time.” Urban Meyer’s final year running the Jags, from The Athletic.
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@kid-chocolate Urban Meyer is like a villain coach from a B grade sports movie. Cripes.
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@kid-chocolate Urban Meyer is like a villain coach from a B grade sports movie. Cripes.
excellent call
It's astounding he didn't get his comeuppance in a dramatic "half time in the final" locker room showdown
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This feels significant?
Every other team in the Division is adding tools. KC just sold one of their biggest
Seriously, their offence is Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill. This is a huge move.
@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
This feels significant?
Every other team in the Division is adding tools. KC just sold one of their biggest
Seriously, their offence is Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill. This is a huge move.
Be a test of 'Andy Reid is an offensive genius' theories that's for sure. It's yet another strong wide receiver class so the chiefs might be backing themselves to find and develop a guy. A massive haul especially compared to what the Brown paid for Cooper.
Be interesting to see how Hill goes with Tua, he's struggled with the deep ball so does that affect Hill?
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@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
This feels significant?
Every other team in the Division is adding tools. KC just sold one of their biggest
Seriously, their offence is Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill. This is a huge move.
Be a test of 'Andy Reid is an offensive genius' theories that's for sure. It's yet another strong wide receiver class so the chiefs might be backing themselves to find and develop a guy. A massive haul especially compared to what the Brown paid for Cooper.
Be interesting to see how Hill goes with Tua, he's struggled with the deep ball so does that affect Hill?
@cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
This feels significant?
Every other team in the Division is adding tools. KC just sold one of their biggest
Seriously, their offence is Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill. This is a huge move.
Be a test of 'Andy Reid is an offensive genius' theories that's for sure. It's yet another strong wide receiver class so the chiefs might be backing themselves to find and develop a guy. A massive haul especially compared to what the Brown paid for Cooper.
Be interesting to see how Hill goes with Tua, he's struggled with the deep ball so does that affect Hill?
they've now got two short receivers with crazy wheels so look for a LOT of crossing routes looking for chaos after the catch
But Tua is pretty average so i don't expect much to be honest
The big winner is Hill, who i assume is now getting paid.
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League is in a very specific place right now.
To be successful:
Explosive QB who can sling it
Difference making receivers (not just dudes who can catch, guys who can get separation and make plays)
Offensive Line
Pass RushPretty much everything else is a role player. Despite this being a pass happy league, i don't think you even need elite corners, because even those guys are getting burned. Good corners in a good scheme is a better use of cap. Same with linebackers. But defense needs guys who can get to the QB over and over.
All you need is a half decent running back (see the current Superbowl champions who barely have one). -
League is in a very specific place right now.
To be successful:
Explosive QB who can sling it
Difference making receivers (not just dudes who can catch, guys who can get separation and make plays)
Offensive Line
Pass RushPretty much everything else is a role player. Despite this being a pass happy league, i don't think you even need elite corners, because even those guys are getting burned. Good corners in a good scheme is a better use of cap. Same with linebackers. But defense needs guys who can get to the QB over and over.
All you need is a half decent running back (see the current Superbowl champions who barely have one).@mariner4life good post.
Will be interesting if there is value suddenly in taking the traditional pocket passer (Brady) and surrounding with a solid roster. Dunno, that league is awesome, and they are driving year-round intrest. NZR should take note!
looking forward to the new season. Some absolutely fantastic teams to watch at the moment, and a really entertaining game
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Not great reading for 9ers fans. Especially the bit about Brady
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Not great reading for 9ers fans. Especially the bit about Brady
@canefan laid out like that it's damning on the Niners isn't it?
Poor old Jimmy G. Far from the worst QB in the league, and has actually been very very close to success on two occasions, which is juuuuust enough to keep a guy on. But he'll never be that guy.
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@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@canefan laid out like that it's damning on the Niners isn't it?
Poor old Jimmy G. Far from the worst QB in the league, and has actually been very very close to success on two occasions, which is juuuuust enough to keep a guy on. But he'll never be that guy.
It looks bad. But easy to say after the fact. Brady defied the odds and continues to do so. Not scouting Mahomes and Watson is a little harder to swallow
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Not great reading for 9ers fans. Especially the bit about Brady
@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
Not great reading for 9ers fans. Especially the bit about Brady
I wouldn't read too much into that. Grant Cohn is a notorious click bait artist.
Think Rattue, Stephen Jones etc.
The fact is with Shanahan it's going to come down to if Trey Lance is legit or not.
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