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  • nzzpN nzzp

    also, a shout out to Perofeta for charging the conversion that was missed. Ran hard, got in the eyeline, maaaybe affected the kick. Potentially the game in the washup.

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    @nzzp said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

    also, a shout out to Perofeta for charging the conversion that was missed. Ran hard, got in the eyeline, maaaybe affected the kick. Potentially the game in the washup.

    I thought Lolesio was going to get another attempt because I’m sure another Blues player started his charge before Lolesio started his approach.

    The run from Perofeta was good though.

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      @nzzp said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

      also, a shout out to Perofeta for charging the conversion that was missed. Ran hard, got in the eyeline, maaaybe affected the kick. Potentially the game in the washup.

      I thought Lolesio was going to get another attempt because I’m sure another Blues player started his charge before Lolesio started his approach.

      The run from Perofeta was good though.

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      @ACT-Crusader said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

      @nzzp said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

      also, a shout out to Perofeta for charging the conversion that was missed. Ran hard, got in the eyeline, maaaybe affected the kick. Potentially the game in the washup.

      I thought Lolesio was going to get another attempt because I’m sure another Blues player started his charge before Lolesio started his approach.

      The run from Perofeta was good though.

      Yep, someone took a few steps then turned around and went back.

      Refs obviously thought it wasn't material. For me, if you're going to charge early, make it worthwhile. Like Cruden vs Ireland back in the day - if you're early, kick the damn ball off the tee, don't just peter out and wander off. If they get a secnod crack, make sure the first is affected.

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        Some of the big defensive plays in the 2nd half.
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          Some of the big defensive plays in the 2nd half.
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          @Dice Great efforts for sure, I thought Christie saved a try with that hit on the tryline also.

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          • chimoausC chimoaus

            @Dice Great efforts for sure, I thought Christie saved a try with that hit on the tryline also.

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            @chimoaus I thought he had knocked.himself out!

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            • chimoausC chimoaus

              @Dice Great efforts for sure, I thought Christie saved a try with that hit on the tryline also.

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              @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

              @Dice Great efforts for sure, I thought Christie saved a try with that hit on the tryline also.

              You're right. The other ranga was involved in that one too.
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                @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                @Dice Great efforts for sure, I thought Christie saved a try with that hit on the tryline also.

                You're right. The other ranga was involved in that one too.
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                @Dice said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                @Dice Great efforts for sure, I thought Christie saved a try with that hit on the tryline also.

                You're right. The other ranga was involved in that one too

                Christie was dynamite in defence

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                • nzzpN nzzp

                  @Dice said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                  @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                  @Dice Great efforts for sure, I thought Christie saved a try with that hit on the tryline also.

                  You're right. The other ranga was involved in that one too

                  Christie was dynamite in defence

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                  @nzzp his workrate on d is awesome

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                    @Canes4life said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                    Blues will be favourites and deservedly so but my money is on the Crusaders, they just know how to get the job done.

                    A bit like me with the missus. 👍

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                    @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                    @Canes4life said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                    Blues will be favourites and deservedly so but my money is on the Crusaders, they just know how to get the job done.

                    A bit like me with the missus. 👍

                    Helluva rugby fan to let the crusaders run a train on your missus

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                      With hindsight, had that BB droppie been a foot higher I doubt we'd have had all of that drama.

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                      • P pakman

                        With hindsight, had that BB droppie been a foot higher I doubt we'd have had all of that drama.

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                        @pakman said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                        With hindsight, had that BB droppie been a foot higher I doubt we'd have had all of that drama.

                        Live it didn't look like he struck it at all well.

                        Or, had he grounded the ball over the line...

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                        • chimoausC chimoaus

                          @Steven-Harris said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                          @chimoaus i looks pretty daming , yes there may have been other calls that could have gone either way during the game , but you know what a team has time rectify any wrong doings ..but that call could have changed everything ..will take the win as a Blues supporter , but i will say i would have had no issues if the call had gone the other way ..

                          Every incorrect/marginal call has a sliding doors moment that could heavily impact the outcome. If White was carded for cynical play on the ground or the Brumbies try was disallowed it would have had an impact. The call was 50/50 and the Blues got the rub of the green. If the Brumbies had held onto the ball instead of going for the drop goal they may have got a penalty and won.

                          Sport will always have these moments and good teams take it out of the hand of the ref and focus on their roles and what they can do next.

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                          @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                          @Steven-Harris said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                          @chimoaus i looks pretty daming , yes there may have been other calls that could have gone either way during the game , but you know what a team has time rectify any wrong doings ..but that call could have changed everything ..will take the win as a Blues supporter , but i will say i would have had no issues if the call had gone the other way ..

                          Every incorrect/marginal call has a sliding doors moment that could heavily impact the outcome. If White was carded for cynical play on the ground or the Brumbies try was disallowed it would have had an impact. The call was 50/50 and the Blues got the rub of the green. If the Brumbies had held onto the ball instead of going for the drop goal they may have got a penalty and won.

                          Sport will always have these moments and good teams take it out of the hand of the ref and focus on their roles and what they can do next.

                          This post should be pinned in every match thread, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Except for one thing: it wasn't a 50/50 call.

                          It was the type of play that in minutes 1-75 it's a penalty to the defending team and nobody questions it. Isolated player on the ground, defender over the top on the ball. You can post all the screenshots you want, I don't care. You're overthinking it - it's holding the ball.

                          O'Keefe was clearly aware of the game circumstances and put the whistle away. Craig Joubert blows that penalty, 100%. Wayne Barnes does too. They aren't afraid of the big call, even though it's bitten them a few times.

                          But still, Blues were the better team, deserved the win, other things were missed, etc etc etc.

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                            Perhaps it would've been a different matter if the Brumbies hadn't in fact turned the ball over.

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                            • barbarianB barbarian

                              @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                              @Steven-Harris said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                              @chimoaus i looks pretty daming , yes there may have been other calls that could have gone either way during the game , but you know what a team has time rectify any wrong doings ..but that call could have changed everything ..will take the win as a Blues supporter , but i will say i would have had no issues if the call had gone the other way ..

                              Every incorrect/marginal call has a sliding doors moment that could heavily impact the outcome. If White was carded for cynical play on the ground or the Brumbies try was disallowed it would have had an impact. The call was 50/50 and the Blues got the rub of the green. If the Brumbies had held onto the ball instead of going for the drop goal they may have got a penalty and won.

                              Sport will always have these moments and good teams take it out of the hand of the ref and focus on their roles and what they can do next.

                              This post should be pinned in every match thread, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Except for one thing: it wasn't a 50/50 call.

                              It was the type of play that in minutes 1-75 it's a penalty to the defending team and nobody questions it. Isolated player on the ground, defender over the top on the ball. You can post all the screenshots you want, I don't care. You're overthinking it - it's holding the ball.

                              O'Keefe was clearly aware of the game circumstances and put the whistle away. Craig Joubert blows that penalty, 100%. Wayne Barnes does too. They aren't afraid of the big call, even though it's bitten them a few times.

                              But still, Blues were the better team, deserved the win, other things were missed, etc etc etc.

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                              @barbarian said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                              It was the type of play that in minutes 1-75 it's a penalty to the defending team and nobody questions it. Isolated player on the ground, defender over the top on the ball. You can post all the screenshots you want, I don't care. You're overthinking it - it's holding the ball.

                              I don't buy that. When the Brumbies player goes to lift the ball Romano releases the ball (albeit slowly) and Brumbies get the ball back - there's no clear moment when it's obviously 'holding'.

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                                @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                @Steven-Harris said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                @chimoaus i looks pretty daming , yes there may have been other calls that could have gone either way during the game , but you know what a team has time rectify any wrong doings ..but that call could have changed everything ..will take the win as a Blues supporter , but i will say i would have had no issues if the call had gone the other way ..

                                Every incorrect/marginal call has a sliding doors moment that could heavily impact the outcome. If White was carded for cynical play on the ground or the Brumbies try was disallowed it would have had an impact. The call was 50/50 and the Blues got the rub of the green. If the Brumbies had held onto the ball instead of going for the drop goal they may have got a penalty and won.

                                Sport will always have these moments and good teams take it out of the hand of the ref and focus on their roles and what they can do next.

                                This post should be pinned in every match thread, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Except for one thing: it wasn't a 50/50 call.

                                It was the type of play that in minutes 1-75 it's a penalty to the defending team and nobody questions it. Isolated player on the ground, defender over the top on the ball. You can post all the screenshots you want, I don't care. You're overthinking it - it's holding the ball.

                                O'Keefe was clearly aware of the game circumstances and put the whistle away. Craig Joubert blows that penalty, 100%. Wayne Barnes does too. They aren't afraid of the big call, even though it's bitten them a few times.

                                But still, Blues were the better team, deserved the win, other things were missed, etc etc etc.

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                                @barbarian said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                @Steven-Harris said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                @chimoaus i looks pretty daming , yes there may have been other calls that could have gone either way during the game , but you know what a team has time rectify any wrong doings ..but that call could have changed everything ..will take the win as a Blues supporter , but i will say i would have had no issues if the call had gone the other way ..

                                Every incorrect/marginal call has a sliding doors moment that could heavily impact the outcome. If White was carded for cynical play on the ground or the Brumbies try was disallowed it would have had an impact. The call was 50/50 and the Blues got the rub of the green. If the Brumbies had held onto the ball instead of going for the drop goal they may have got a penalty and won.

                                Sport will always have these moments and good teams take it out of the hand of the ref and focus on their roles and what they can do next.

                                This post should be pinned in every match thread, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Except for one thing: it wasn't a 50/50 call.

                                It was the type of play that in minutes 1-75 it's a penalty to the defending team and nobody questions it. Isolated player on the ground, defender over the top on the ball. You can post all the screenshots you want, I don't care. You're overthinking it - it's holding the ball.

                                O'Keefe was clearly aware of the game circumstances and put the whistle away. Craig Joubert blows that penalty, 100%. Wayne Barnes does too. They aren't afraid of the big call, even though it's bitten them a few times.

                                But still, Blues were the better team, deserved the win, other things were missed, etc etc etc.

                                Nice bait, but I don't think we have any French posters anymore.

                                About 1:08 mins in

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                                  @barbarian said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                  It was the type of play that in minutes 1-75 it's a penalty to the defending team and nobody questions it. Isolated player on the ground, defender over the top on the ball. You can post all the screenshots you want, I don't care. You're overthinking it - it's holding the ball.

                                  I don't buy that. When the Brumbies player goes to lift the ball Romano releases the ball (albeit slowly) and Brumbies get the ball back - there's no clear moment when it's obviously 'holding'.

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                                  @KiwiMurph It can still be holding if the defending team wins the ball. It should have been a quick, clean steal but he basically had to rip the ball off Romano.

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                                    @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                    @Steven-Harris said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                    @chimoaus i looks pretty daming , yes there may have been other calls that could have gone either way during the game , but you know what a team has time rectify any wrong doings ..but that call could have changed everything ..will take the win as a Blues supporter , but i will say i would have had no issues if the call had gone the other way ..

                                    Every incorrect/marginal call has a sliding doors moment that could heavily impact the outcome. If White was carded for cynical play on the ground or the Brumbies try was disallowed it would have had an impact. The call was 50/50 and the Blues got the rub of the green. If the Brumbies had held onto the ball instead of going for the drop goal they may have got a penalty and won.

                                    Sport will always have these moments and good teams take it out of the hand of the ref and focus on their roles and what they can do next.

                                    This post should be pinned in every match thread, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Except for one thing: it wasn't a 50/50 call.

                                    It was the type of play that in minutes 1-75 it's a penalty to the defending team and nobody questions it. Isolated player on the ground, defender over the top on the ball. You can post all the screenshots you want, I don't care. You're overthinking it - it's holding the ball.

                                    O'Keefe was clearly aware of the game circumstances and put the whistle away. Craig Joubert blows that penalty, 100%. Wayne Barnes does too. They aren't afraid of the big call, even though it's bitten them a few times.

                                    But still, Blues were the better team, deserved the win, other things were missed, etc etc etc.

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                                    @barbarian said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                    @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                    @Steven-Harris said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                    @chimoaus i looks pretty daming , yes there may have been other calls that could have gone either way during the game , but you know what a team has time rectify any wrong doings ..but that call could have changed everything ..will take the win as a Blues supporter , but i will say i would have had no issues if the call had gone the other way ..

                                    Every incorrect/marginal call has a sliding doors moment that could heavily impact the outcome. If White was carded for cynical play on the ground or the Brumbies try was disallowed it would have had an impact. The call was 50/50 and the Blues got the rub of the green. If the Brumbies had held onto the ball instead of going for the drop goal they may have got a penalty and won.

                                    Sport will always have these moments and good teams take it out of the hand of the ref and focus on their roles and what they can do next.

                                    This post should be pinned in every match thread, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Except for one thing: it wasn't a 50/50 call.

                                    It was the type of play that in minutes 1-75 it's a penalty to the defending team and nobody questions it. Isolated player on the ground, defender over the top on the ball. You can post all the screenshots you want, I don't care. You're overthinking it - it's holding the ball.

                                    O'Keefe was clearly aware of the game circumstances and put the whistle away. Craig Joubert blows that penalty, 100%. Wayne Barnes does too. They aren't afraid of the big call, even though it's bitten them a few times.

                                    But still, Blues were the better team, deserved the win, other things were missed, etc etc etc.

                                    IIRC Joubert would blow a penalty to the Blues. Just as he did when McCaw had both hands on that Waratahs ball in the 2014 final.

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                                      @barbarian said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                      @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                      @Steven-Harris said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                      @chimoaus i looks pretty daming , yes there may have been other calls that could have gone either way during the game , but you know what a team has time rectify any wrong doings ..but that call could have changed everything ..will take the win as a Blues supporter , but i will say i would have had no issues if the call had gone the other way ..

                                      Every incorrect/marginal call has a sliding doors moment that could heavily impact the outcome. If White was carded for cynical play on the ground or the Brumbies try was disallowed it would have had an impact. The call was 50/50 and the Blues got the rub of the green. If the Brumbies had held onto the ball instead of going for the drop goal they may have got a penalty and won.

                                      Sport will always have these moments and good teams take it out of the hand of the ref and focus on their roles and what they can do next.

                                      This post should be pinned in every match thread, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Except for one thing: it wasn't a 50/50 call.

                                      It was the type of play that in minutes 1-75 it's a penalty to the defending team and nobody questions it. Isolated player on the ground, defender over the top on the ball. You can post all the screenshots you want, I don't care. You're overthinking it - it's holding the ball.

                                      O'Keefe was clearly aware of the game circumstances and put the whistle away. Craig Joubert blows that penalty, 100%. Wayne Barnes does too. They aren't afraid of the big call, even though it's bitten them a few times.

                                      But still, Blues were the better team, deserved the win, other things were missed, etc etc etc.

                                      IIRC Joubert would blow a penalty to the Blues. Just as he did when McCaw had both hands on that Waratahs ball in the 2014 final.

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                                      @Crucial said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                      @barbarian said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                      @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                      @Steven-Harris said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                      @chimoaus i looks pretty daming , yes there may have been other calls that could have gone either way during the game , but you know what a team has time rectify any wrong doings ..but that call could have changed everything ..will take the win as a Blues supporter , but i will say i would have had no issues if the call had gone the other way ..

                                      Every incorrect/marginal call has a sliding doors moment that could heavily impact the outcome. If White was carded for cynical play on the ground or the Brumbies try was disallowed it would have had an impact. The call was 50/50 and the Blues got the rub of the green. If the Brumbies had held onto the ball instead of going for the drop goal they may have got a penalty and won.

                                      Sport will always have these moments and good teams take it out of the hand of the ref and focus on their roles and what they can do next.

                                      This post should be pinned in every match thread, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Except for one thing: it wasn't a 50/50 call.

                                      It was the type of play that in minutes 1-75 it's a penalty to the defending team and nobody questions it. Isolated player on the ground, defender over the top on the ball. You can post all the screenshots you want, I don't care. You're overthinking it - it's holding the ball.

                                      O'Keefe was clearly aware of the game circumstances and put the whistle away. Craig Joubert blows that penalty, 100%. Wayne Barnes does too. They aren't afraid of the big call, even though it's bitten them a few times.

                                      But still, Blues were the better team, deserved the win, other things were missed, etc etc etc.

                                      IIRC Joubert would blow a penalty to the Blues. Just as he did when McCaw had both hands on that Waratahs ball in the 2014 final.

                                      Grrrrrr

                                      Shocking call made worst by him admitting days after the match that he got it wrong!

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                                        Get Ofa my lawn -
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                                        • barbarianB barbarian

                                          @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                          @Steven-Harris said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                          @chimoaus i looks pretty daming , yes there may have been other calls that could have gone either way during the game , but you know what a team has time rectify any wrong doings ..but that call could have changed everything ..will take the win as a Blues supporter , but i will say i would have had no issues if the call had gone the other way ..

                                          Every incorrect/marginal call has a sliding doors moment that could heavily impact the outcome. If White was carded for cynical play on the ground or the Brumbies try was disallowed it would have had an impact. The call was 50/50 and the Blues got the rub of the green. If the Brumbies had held onto the ball instead of going for the drop goal they may have got a penalty and won.

                                          Sport will always have these moments and good teams take it out of the hand of the ref and focus on their roles and what they can do next.

                                          This post should be pinned in every match thread, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Except for one thing: it wasn't a 50/50 call.

                                          It was the type of play that in minutes 1-75 it's a penalty to the defending team and nobody questions it. Isolated player on the ground, defender over the top on the ball. You can post all the screenshots you want, I don't care. You're overthinking it - it's holding the ball.

                                          O'Keefe was clearly aware of the game circumstances and put the whistle away. Craig Joubert blows that penalty, 100%. Wayne Barnes does too. They aren't afraid of the big call, even though it's bitten them a few times.

                                          But still, Blues were the better team, deserved the win, other things were missed, etc etc etc.

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                                          @barbarian said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                          @chimoaus said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                          @Steven-Harris said in SF Blues v Brumbies:

                                          @chimoaus i looks pretty daming , yes there may have been other calls that could have gone either way during the game , but you know what a team has time rectify any wrong doings ..but that call could have changed everything ..will take the win as a Blues supporter , but i will say i would have had no issues if the call had gone the other way ..

                                          Every incorrect/marginal call has a sliding doors moment that could heavily impact the outcome. If White was carded for cynical play on the ground or the Brumbies try was disallowed it would have had an impact. The call was 50/50 and the Blues got the rub of the green. If the Brumbies had held onto the ball instead of going for the drop goal they may have got a penalty and won.

                                          Sport will always have these moments and good teams take it out of the hand of the ref and focus on their roles and what they can do next.

                                          This post should be pinned in every match thread, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Except for one thing: it wasn't a 50/50 call.

                                          It was the type of play that in minutes 1-75 it's a penalty to the defending team and nobody questions it. Isolated player on the ground, defender over the top on the ball. You can post all the screenshots you want, I don't care. You're overthinking it - it's holding the ball.

                                          O'Keefe was clearly aware of the game circumstances and put the whistle away. Craig Joubert blows that penalty, 100%. Wayne Barnes does too. They aren't afraid of the big call, even though it's bitten them a few times.

                                          But still, Blues were the better team, deserved the win, other things were missed, etc etc etc.

                                          Swings and roundabouts - all those refs might have been tougher on where players join a maul or a maul not moving.

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