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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    so, things that stood out when watching the replay

    DH, he was pumping his legs on attack.....then threw that intercept...and just trotted back, there was no urgency to try and make up for his mistake, he gave up the second he saw it go to hand, poor

    Dalton was great, everywhere

    at about half time i was thinking Savea had been present but not everywhere like he has been most of the season....and then he was EVERYWHERE in the second half

    Perofeta came on and his kick for touch was the best all game, tight angle and carved off 50m, it use to be just our open play kicking that was rough but kicks for tough from BB were either not out or about 20m

    I thought akira was very quiet but saw some say he was doing good work so will accept i just missed it

    Tela - someone picked on form, did really well, ALB - someone picked on reputation or past form...looked rough...food for thought

    Are we afraid of possession? no confidence we can keep it? why do we kick it away so much? i was always taught winner always want the ball, sayings like "earn the right to go wide" became saying for a reason, build some phases, draw in more defenders, create the mismatches...then try the fancy stuff

    There was a play late in the game where we kicked up upfield and the scottish wing took it on the chest, it went about 5m backwards...and he got pinged for a knock on, that was harsh

    we were lucky, the scottish yellow was harsh, personally it looked accidental so just a knock on but would have understood a penalty...but yellow? we want players to wrap arms but then give them yellow cards if they wrap too wide?

    We did not play as well as we could...but scoland did really well and that was cool to watch

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    • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

      so, things that stood out when watching the replay

      DH, he was pumping his legs on attack.....then threw that intercept...and just trotted back, there was no urgency to try and make up for his mistake, he gave up the second he saw it go to hand, poor

      Dalton was great, everywhere

      at about half time i was thinking Savea had been present but not everywhere like he has been most of the season....and then he was EVERYWHERE in the second half

      Perofeta came on and his kick for touch was the best all game, tight angle and carved off 50m, it use to be just our open play kicking that was rough but kicks for tough from BB were either not out or about 20m

      I thought akira was very quiet but saw some say he was doing good work so will accept i just missed it

      Tela - someone picked on form, did really well, ALB - someone picked on reputation or past form...looked rough...food for thought

      Are we afraid of possession? no confidence we can keep it? why do we kick it away so much? i was always taught winner always want the ball, sayings like "earn the right to go wide" became saying for a reason, build some phases, draw in more defenders, create the mismatches...then try the fancy stuff

      There was a play late in the game where we kicked up upfield and the scottish wing took it on the chest, it went about 5m backwards...and he got pinged for a knock on, that was harsh

      we were lucky, the scottish yellow was harsh, personally it looked accidental so just a knock on but would have understood a penalty...but yellow? we want players to wrap arms but then give them yellow cards if they wrap too wide?

      We did not play as well as we could...but scoland did really well and that was cool to watch

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      #944

      @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

      we were lucky, the scottish yellow was harsh, personally it looked accidental so just a knock on but would have understood a penalty...but yellow? we want players to wrap arms but then give them yellow cards if they wrap too wide?

      somewhere in a small dank Scottish bar perched precariously on the edge of the Highlands a Scottish fan is muttering into his malt "that AB definitely aimed for his hands when he passed."

      These things happen. But look at the tackler's eyes-he was looking at moving past the runner before and at time of contact. Almost like he had something to judge in his peripheral vision. Could have been a canny piece of rugby.

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      • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

        so, things that stood out when watching the replay

        DH, he was pumping his legs on attack.....then threw that intercept...and just trotted back, there was no urgency to try and make up for his mistake, he gave up the second he saw it go to hand, poor

        Dalton was great, everywhere

        at about half time i was thinking Savea had been present but not everywhere like he has been most of the season....and then he was EVERYWHERE in the second half

        Perofeta came on and his kick for touch was the best all game, tight angle and carved off 50m, it use to be just our open play kicking that was rough but kicks for tough from BB were either not out or about 20m

        I thought akira was very quiet but saw some say he was doing good work so will accept i just missed it

        Tela - someone picked on form, did really well, ALB - someone picked on reputation or past form...looked rough...food for thought

        Are we afraid of possession? no confidence we can keep it? why do we kick it away so much? i was always taught winner always want the ball, sayings like "earn the right to go wide" became saying for a reason, build some phases, draw in more defenders, create the mismatches...then try the fancy stuff

        There was a play late in the game where we kicked up upfield and the scottish wing took it on the chest, it went about 5m backwards...and he got pinged for a knock on, that was harsh

        we were lucky, the scottish yellow was harsh, personally it looked accidental so just a knock on but would have understood a penalty...but yellow? we want players to wrap arms but then give them yellow cards if they wrap too wide?

        We did not play as well as we could...but scoland did really well and that was cool to watch

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        @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

        We did not play as well as we could...but scoland did really well and that was cool to watch

        Yes Scowland will fancy their chances next time they play us.
        This is the slow burning genius of Foster and co. come the RWC from Scowland to Japan and Italy everyone will misunderestimate us.

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        • Joans Town JonesJ Joans Town Jones

          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          @No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.

          Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.

          Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.

          For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.

          And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?

          You can say that about any number of players from every single team in the world. That's just the nature of the beast. This obsession NZ has with trying to have 2 players in every position with loads of test experience is absurd and is really hurting us as our top team rarely gets consecutive games together. We are just shooting ourselves in the foot with this while other teams build combinations.

          Not really talking about having 2 players in every position, more about having a viable and reasonably seasoned option if a player gets injured - e.g.12. We don't currently have that and are running out of time to deliver it.

          You want more time developing a backup than a starter? Fucking mindless.

          It's not binary. Try actually reading what I wrote rather than throwing your toys out of the pam because I don't agree with you.

          Its exactly what you said, pam.

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          #946

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          @No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

          Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.

          Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.

          Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.

          For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.

          And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?

          You can say that about any number of players from every single team in the world. That's just the nature of the beast. This obsession NZ has with trying to have 2 players in every position with loads of test experience is absurd and is really hurting us as our top team rarely gets consecutive games together. We are just shooting ourselves in the foot with this while other teams build combinations.

          Not really talking about having 2 players in every position, more about having a viable and reasonably seasoned option if a player gets injured - e.g.12. We don't currently have that and are running out of time to deliver it.

          You want more time developing a backup than a starter? Fucking mindless.

          It's not binary. Try actually reading what I wrote rather than throwing your toys out of the pam because I don't agree with you.

          Its exactly what you said, pam.

          You have to be seriously lacking in basic comprehension skills if you think my view that we need to develop Jordie and provide a reasonable backup option if Jordie gets injured, equates to me arguing for developing the backup option over Jordie as a starting 12.

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          • Rancid SchnitzelR Rancid Schnitzel

            @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

            @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

            @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

            @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

            That final part would make sense if they were looking to blood a backup 12. You can hardly claim that Havili hasn't had plenty of tests there

            Two different arguments there. The first is whether you play JB in every Test and hope he doesn't get broken - which is a big risk based on the death-wish that playing in an AB midfield seems to be - and the second is whether DH is a viable backup at 12.

            If anything Havili should have played at 15 to see what he actually offers to the squad now that JB apparently has a lock on 12.

            Maybe they wanted an experienced 15 to start and didn't think DH was that player? I fully expected DH or Perofeta to move to 15 and Jordie to 12.

            I'm confused about the first part. I could understand this argument if Jordie was rested. But he wasn't so the risk is still there and he's in the wrong position.

            The point is about the need to balance giving Jordie game time at 12 while developing other players if he gets injured or needs resting. That's bloody difficult with RWC2023 10 games away. No-one is saying he should be wrapped on cotton-wool and shouldn't have played on Sunday.

            If WJ was available and the coaches had enough faith in Perofeta or DH at 15, I think Jordie would/should have started at 12.

            Playing Jordie at 15 was both a safe option and it gave them the chance to give him time with ALB in midfield if we'd had the game under control.

            Again, that argument only makes sense if you're selecting a rookie or inexperienced player to develop. That's hardly the case with Havili. Balance to be would be resting JB or at least having him on the bench. That certainly wasn't balance the other day.

            But I guess it all goes back to coaches having to trust players, rather than give them 50 seconds when the game is won. Or at least select them to start and have the safe players on the bench if it all goes to poo.

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            @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

            Again, that argument only makes sense if you're selecting a rookie or inexperienced player to develop.

            Or combinations.

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                Taukei'aho has now scored 10 tries in 20 tests, the best strike rate for an All Black forward in history.

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                • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                  @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.

                  Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.

                  Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.

                  For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.

                  And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?

                  You can say that about any number of players from every single team in the world. That's just the nature of the beast. This obsession NZ has with trying to have 2 players in every position with loads of test experience is absurd and is really hurting us as our top team rarely gets consecutive games together. We are just shooting ourselves in the foot with this while other teams build combinations.

                  Not really talking about having 2 players in every position, more about having a viable and reasonably seasoned option if a player gets injured - e.g.12. We don't currently have that and are running out of time to deliver it.

                  You want more time developing a backup than a starter? Fucking mindless.

                  It's not binary. Try actually reading what I wrote rather than throwing your toys out of the pam because I don't agree with you.

                  Its exactly what you said, pam.

                  You have to be seriously lacking in basic comprehension skills if you think my view that we need to develop Jordie and provide a reasonable backup option if Jordie gets injured, equates to me arguing for developing the backup option over Jordie as a starting 12.

                  KiwiwombleK Offline
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                  Kiwiwomble
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                  #950

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                  Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.

                  Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.

                  Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.

                  For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.

                  And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?

                  You can say that about any number of players from every single team in the world. That's just the nature of the beast. This obsession NZ has with trying to have 2 players in every position with loads of test experience is absurd and is really hurting us as our top team rarely gets consecutive games together. We are just shooting ourselves in the foot with this while other teams build combinations.

                  Not really talking about having 2 players in every position, more about having a viable and reasonably seasoned option if a player gets injured - e.g.12. We don't currently have that and are running out of time to deliver it.

                  You want more time developing a backup than a starter? Fucking mindless.

                  It's not binary. Try actually reading what I wrote rather than throwing your toys out of the pam because I don't agree with you.

                  Its exactly what you said, pam.

                  You have to be seriously lacking in basic comprehension skills if you think my view that we need to develop Jordie and provide a reasonable backup option if Jordie gets injured, equates to me arguing for developing the backup option over Jordie as a starting 12.

                  i think we dont have the luxury to do anything other than right back to basics, Jordie starts....and his back up backs him up from the bench, trying to develop two starters is arrogant given how long we have before the RWC

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                    #951

                    BTW, lLast act of the game. Giving it to Perofeta to kick to touch.

                    Should have given the guy a chance to kick his first points in test rugby (assuming I haven't missed him having already done this ... ?) opportunity wasted to get some nerves out. Not clear thinking captaincy IMO. Hope we're not down to our fourth first-five again in RWC knockouts ....

                    Not a biggie, but would prefer a bit more attention to detail.

                    Edit. Actually, now thinking more about this, I assume Jordie still on field and was designated kicker, so ignore me.

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                    • RapidoR Rapido

                      BTW, lLast act of the game. Giving it to Perofeta to kick to touch.

                      Should have given the guy a chance to kick his first points in test rugby (assuming I haven't missed him having already done this ... ?) opportunity wasted to get some nerves out. Not clear thinking captaincy IMO. Hope we're not down to our fourth first-five again in RWC knockouts ....

                      Not a biggie, but would prefer a bit more attention to detail.

                      Edit. Actually, now thinking more about this, I assume Jordie still on field and was designated kicker, so ignore me.

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                      @Rapido and if he misses the penalty and it hits the post the game continues….

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                      • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                        @Rapido and if he misses the penalty and it hits the post the game continues….

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                        @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                        @Rapido and if he misses the penalty and it hits the post the game continues….

                        8 point lead, it was a feeebie.

                        Edit. Hang on, now I need to google the score ....

                        Don't answer and quote me until I've done that ...

                        Edit. Yes, phew. 8 points.

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                        • RapidoR Rapido

                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                          @Rapido and if he misses the penalty and it hits the post the game continues….

                          8 point lead, it was a feeebie.

                          Edit. Hang on, now I need to google the score ....

                          Don't answer and quote me until I've done that ...

                          Edit. Yes, phew. 8 points.

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                          @Rapido said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                          @Rapido and if he misses the penalty and it hits the post the game continues….

                          8 point lead, it was a feeebie.

                          Edit. Hang on, now I need to google the score ....

                          Don't answer and quote me until I've done that ...

                          Edit. Yes, phew. 8 points.

                          But why keep playing and expending unnecessary energy?

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                            @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

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                            They missed: Tackle Completion 25%

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                            • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                              so, things that stood out when watching the replay

                              DH, he was pumping his legs on attack.....then threw that intercept...and just trotted back, there was no urgency to try and make up for his mistake, he gave up the second he saw it go to hand, poor

                              Dalton was great, everywhere

                              at about half time i was thinking Savea had been present but not everywhere like he has been most of the season....and then he was EVERYWHERE in the second half

                              Perofeta came on and his kick for touch was the best all game, tight angle and carved off 50m, it use to be just our open play kicking that was rough but kicks for tough from BB were either not out or about 20m

                              I thought akira was very quiet but saw some say he was doing good work so will accept i just missed it

                              Tela - someone picked on form, did really well, ALB - someone picked on reputation or past form...looked rough...food for thought

                              Are we afraid of possession? no confidence we can keep it? why do we kick it away so much? i was always taught winner always want the ball, sayings like "earn the right to go wide" became saying for a reason, build some phases, draw in more defenders, create the mismatches...then try the fancy stuff

                              There was a play late in the game where we kicked up upfield and the scottish wing took it on the chest, it went about 5m backwards...and he got pinged for a knock on, that was harsh

                              we were lucky, the scottish yellow was harsh, personally it looked accidental so just a knock on but would have understood a penalty...but yellow? we want players to wrap arms but then give them yellow cards if they wrap too wide?

                              We did not play as well as we could...but scoland did really well and that was cool to watch

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                              @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                              DH, he was pumping his legs on attack.....then threw that intercept...and just trotted back, there was no urgency to try and make up for his mistake, he gave up the second he saw it go to hand, poor

                              He seemed to be completely lost as to what option to take before he threw that pass. It was a slow-motion car crash.

                              Perofeta came on and his kick for touch was the best all game, tight angle and carved off 50m, it use to be just our open play kicking that was rough but kicks for tough from BB were either not out or about 20m

                              BB kicking out of hand - apart from the Telea cross-kick - was pretty much amateur night..

                              I thought akira was very quiet but saw some say he was doing good work so will accept i just missed it

                              Thought he was really good (particularly at the breakdown) in the first 15-20 minutes but then seemed to fade a bit. Maybe a change in tactics when Scotland took control?

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                              • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.

                                Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.

                                Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.

                                For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.

                                And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?

                                You can say that about any number of players from every single team in the world. That's just the nature of the beast. This obsession NZ has with trying to have 2 players in every position with loads of test experience is absurd and is really hurting us as our top team rarely gets consecutive games together. We are just shooting ourselves in the foot with this while other teams build combinations.

                                Not really talking about having 2 players in every position, more about having a viable and reasonably seasoned option if a player gets injured - e.g.12. We don't currently have that and are running out of time to deliver it.

                                You want more time developing a backup than a starter? Fucking mindless.

                                It's not binary. Try actually reading what I wrote rather than throwing your toys out of the pam because I don't agree with you.

                                Its exactly what you said, pam.

                                You have to be seriously lacking in basic comprehension skills if you think my view that we need to develop Jordie and provide a reasonable backup option if Jordie gets injured, equates to me arguing for developing the backup option over Jordie as a starting 12.

                                i think we dont have the luxury to do anything other than right back to basics, Jordie starts....and his back up backs him up from the bench, trying to develop two starters is arrogant given how long we have before the RWC

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                                @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                @Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                Yeah this chopping and changing is such a great idea. Fucking change my mind.

                                Ma'a Nonu played something like 70 tests at 12 and 62 of those were with Conrad Smith. Jordie B has had 2 and looks a million times better than that headless chook Havili. We're 10 tests away from a QF but yeah, keep changing the fucking team.

                                Since 2015 we've been looking for centers. Hansen fucked the team around all the way up to the SF in 2019. Foster has done the same. Finally find a potential candidate and he won't be played 2 tests in succession.

                                For all the doom and gloom in this test, the Jocks are gifted a PT (DP was blocked from making a tackle and the ball ingoal makes a huge dogleg to the left, not probable in my book but hey) and Mr Indecisive gift wraps and pass right into the hands of the Jocks.

                                And what happens if we put all our eggs in the Jordie basket, he gets injured and we don't have back-ups with reasonable experience.?

                                You can say that about any number of players from every single team in the world. That's just the nature of the beast. This obsession NZ has with trying to have 2 players in every position with loads of test experience is absurd and is really hurting us as our top team rarely gets consecutive games together. We are just shooting ourselves in the foot with this while other teams build combinations.

                                Not really talking about having 2 players in every position, more about having a viable and reasonably seasoned option if a player gets injured - e.g.12. We don't currently have that and are running out of time to deliver it.

                                You want more time developing a backup than a starter? Fucking mindless.

                                It's not binary. Try actually reading what I wrote rather than throwing your toys out of the pam because I don't agree with you.

                                Its exactly what you said, pam.

                                You have to be seriously lacking in basic comprehension skills if you think my view that we need to develop Jordie and provide a reasonable backup option if Jordie gets injured, equates to me arguing for developing the backup option over Jordie as a starting 12.

                                i think we dont have the luxury to do anything other than right back to basics, Jordie starts....and his back up backs him up from the bench, trying to develop two starters is arrogant given how long we have before the RWC

                                Totally agree we don't need two starters but we need to aware of the risks, get the bench option right and hope the midfield injury hoodoo doesn't strike again . It's a bloody awful situation we are in due to injuries which hasn't been handled at all well.

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                                  @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

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                                  They missed: Tackle Completion 25%

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                                  @Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                  @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

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                                  They missed: Tackle Completion 25%

                                  The thing I liked about him was he was just so bloody solid. Minimal pyrotechnics, minimal mistakes and did his job really well.

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                                    @Crucial said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                    @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

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                                    They missed: Tackle Completion 25%

                                    The thing I liked about him was he was just so bloody solid. Minimal pyrotechnics, minimal mistakes and did his job really well.

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                                    @Victor-Meldrew good hands...made meters with ball in hand....scored when given the opportunity...thats got to the the bedrock of a good winger...build the rest on top

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                                      @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                      Again, that argument only makes sense if you're selecting a rookie or inexperienced player to develop.

                                      Or combinations.

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                                      @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                      @Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                      Again, that argument only makes sense if you're selecting a rookie or inexperienced player to develop.

                                      Or combinations.

                                      Like JB and ALB?

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                                        just on the 12 shirt. If it does indeed turn out that JB is the future, then the ready made back-up already exists in ALB.

                                        And if a curse strikes, and we lose two midfielders, then we have already given enough minutes to DH to come in and not be overawed (forever to be known as the Beaver role). Job done.

                                        The 13 shirt is a lot more precarious.

                                        It's kinda funny how fucked our backline sort of is when you sit back.

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                                          just on the 12 shirt. If it does indeed turn out that JB is the future, then the ready made back-up already exists in ALB.

                                          And if a curse strikes, and we lose two midfielders, then we have already given enough minutes to DH to come in and not be overawed (forever to be known as the Beaver role). Job done.

                                          The 13 shirt is a lot more precarious.

                                          It's kinda funny how fucked our backline sort of is when you sit back.

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                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Scotland:

                                          just on the 12 shirt. If it does indeed turn out that JB is the future, then the ready made back-up already exists in ALB.

                                          And if a curse strikes, and we lose two midfielders, then we have already given enough minutes to DH to come in and not be overawed (forever to be known as the Beaver role). Job done.

                                          The 13 shirt is a lot more precarious.

                                          It's kinda funny how fucked our backline sort of is when you sit back.

                                          JB, RI and ALB are the guys to cover the 12 and 13 jerseys going forward

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