All Blacks 2023
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So we hear tonight if Jordie is going to play? I think it will be Havili if he out, RMo is comfortable with him and Ioane has played a few tests with him, so is obvious replacement to me.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
So we hear tonight if Jordie is going to play? I think it will be Havili if he out, RMo is comfortable with him and Ioane has played a few tests with him, so is obvious replacement to me.
If so I he he plays a blinder, cos he is a nothing against decent international opposition.
ABout where I am at
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:
We have a gap at 7 which would fit Blackadder. Cane and Dalton are both not really up to it. Despite people seeming to have strong opinions either way, they're both kinda the same player and mediocre as far as the great history of the black 7 goes. Blackadder is too small for 6 really, but our options there are a bit shit too: Frizzel of the one good game, and Barrett the lock. Then the balance problem is exacerbated by having Savea 'wow what leg drive that's gained a metre post contact and made for slow ball that we can't do fuck all with' at 8.
Put Blackadder and Finau in, then at least we wouldn't want for fellas throwing themselves into it. Fuck it why not put Sotutu in too. if you're gonna have an 8 who doesn't do the hard yards why not have one who can genuinely run and pass like a back.
Disclaimer: beer.Been saying this for time... we go on about how good Ardie is, but imagine if you had him at 7, and a big fucker at eight who just bulldozers over people with minimal effort... only issue may be we don't have one of those.
Ardie at 7 with a big 6 and big 8 who could both carry the ball would be awesome - unfortunately we just don't have either of those players - well Frizzel but he's only just come into form.
Our loose forward trio really lacks size.
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@Windows97 if they took Finau, putting Frizell at 8 with him at 6, then Cane or Savea at 7 would great.
@BorderJB said in All Blacks 2023:
@Windows97 if they took Finau, putting Frizell at 8 with him at 6, then Cane or Savea at 7 would great.
Agree with that.
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@Steve With Fletcher Newell's father flying over for it which will bring a tear to your eye?
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So we hear tonight if Jordie is going to play? I think it will be Havili if he out, RMo is comfortable with him and Ioane has played a few tests with him, so is obvious replacement to me.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
So we hear tonight if Jordie is going to play? I think it will be Havili if he out, RMo is comfortable with him and Ioane has played a few tests with him, so is obvious replacement to me.
Havili was awesome at 12 against weaker opposition. But fark me, Smith Mo'unga Havili has got 'run at me bro' written all over it.
Our 12 cupboard is as bare as our 6, and I sheet this home to selections and coaching once again.
Wouldn't you love a developed Laumape right now?
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
So we hear tonight if Jordie is going to play? I think it will be Havili if he out, RMo is comfortable with him and Ioane has played a few tests with him, so is obvious replacement to me.
Havili was awesome at 12 against weaker opposition. But fark me, Smith Mo'unga Havili has got 'run at me bro' written all over it.
Our 12 cupboard is as bare as our 6, and I sheet this home to selections and coaching once again.
Wouldn't you love a developed Laumape right now?
Take a punt use LF at least he can bend the line,No kicking game but ALB hasn't either and can not bend the line either.
Havilli has a kicking game but will not break the line either.
For me stick a big fucker back in there to smash over the advantage line so our forwards have a chance to play off the from foot.
We need to get right up the French and physically smash them. -
Take a punt use LF at least he can bend the line,No kicking game but ALB hasn't either and can not bend the line either.
Havilli has a kicking game but will not break the line either.
For me stick a big fucker back in there to smash over the advantage line so our forwards have a chance to play off the from foot.
We need to get right up the French and physically smash them.@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
Take a punt use LF at least he can bend the line,No kicking game but ALB hasn't either and can not bend the line either.
Havilli has a kicking game but will not break the line either.
For me stick a big fucker back in there to smash over the advantage line so our forwards have a chance to play off the from foot.
We need to get right up the French and physically smash them.Sometimes Rugby is this simple. Well worth a punt....
Crazy that after 4 years we are back to Havili or ALB at 12.
Jesus Mary and the wee donkey. Shameful.
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Take a punt use LF at least he can bend the line,No kicking game but ALB hasn't either and can not bend the line either.
Havilli has a kicking game but will not break the line either.
For me stick a big fucker back in there to smash over the advantage line so our forwards have a chance to play off the from foot.
We need to get right up the French and physically smash them. -
Take a punt use LF at least he can bend the line,No kicking game but ALB hasn't either and can not bend the line either.
Havilli has a kicking game but will not break the line either.
For me stick a big fucker back in there to smash over the advantage line so our forwards have a chance to play off the from foot.
We need to get right up the French and physically smash them.@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
Take a punt use LF at least he can bend the line,No kicking game but ALB hasn't either and can not bend the line either.
Havilli has a kicking game but will not break the line either.
For me stick a big fucker back in there to smash over the advantage line so our forwards have a chance to play off the from foot.
We need to get right up the French and physically smash them.I thought I read somewhere the fact Leicester and Clarke were both picked in addition to all the other outsides was for some sort of midfield cover in a pinch.
Maybe im imagining things.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
Take a punt use LF at least he can bend the line,No kicking game but ALB hasn't either and can not bend the line either.
Havilli has a kicking game but will not break the line either.
For me stick a big fucker back in there to smash over the advantage line so our forwards have a chance to play off the from foot.
We need to get right up the French and physically smash them.I thought I read somewhere the fact Leicester and Clarke were both picked in addition to all the other outsides was for some sort of midfield cover in a pinch.
Maybe im imagining things.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
Take a punt use LF at least he can bend the line
I said months ago that LF is the closest to a like-for-like option B for JB.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
So we hear tonight if Jordie is going to play? I think it will be Havili if he out, RMo is comfortable with him and Ioane has played a few tests with him, so is obvious replacement to me.
Havili was awesome at 12 against weaker opposition. But fark me, Smith Mo'unga Havili has got 'run at me bro' written all over it.
Our 12 cupboard is as bare as our 6, and I sheet this home to selections and coaching once again.
Wouldn't you love a developed Laumape right now?
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
So we hear tonight if Jordie is going to play? I think it will be Havili if he out, RMo is comfortable with him and Ioane has played a few tests with him, so is obvious replacement to me.
Havili was awesome at 12 against weaker opposition. But fark me, Smith Mo'unga Havili has got 'run at me bro' written all over it.
Our 12 cupboard is as bare as our 6, and I sheet this home to selections and coaching once again.
Wouldn't you love a developed Laumape right now?
Your first sentence is 100% on the money and quite alarming to be honest.
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Take a punt use LF at least he can bend the line,No kicking game but ALB hasn't either and can not bend the line either.
Havilli has a kicking game but will not break the line either.
For me stick a big fucker back in there to smash over the advantage line so our forwards have a chance to play off the from foot.
We need to get right up the French and physically smash them.@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
Take a punt use LF at least he can bend the line,No kicking game but ALB hasn't either and can not bend the line either.
Havilli has a kicking game but will not break the line either.
For me stick a big fucker back in there to smash over the advantage line so our forwards have a chance to play off the from foot.I agree
Massive ALB fan, but physical presence isn't what you get. And this is a bit like the 6 discussion; by picking Smith and Mo'unga you drive a need for a specific player type at 12 ... which we don't really carry much of in the squad.
The alternative is to abandon our game plan, lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet. Can't see it working, but then I dont' think we've got the physicality or mentality to grind out a win
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
Take a punt use LF at least he can bend the line,No kicking game but ALB hasn't either and can not bend the line either.
Havilli has a kicking game but will not break the line either.
For me stick a big fucker back in there to smash over the advantage line so our forwards have a chance to play off the from foot.I agree
Massive ALB fan, but physical presence isn't what you get. And this is a bit like the 6 discussion; by picking Smith and Mo'unga you drive a need for a specific player type at 12 ... which we don't really carry much of in the squad.
The alternative is to abandon our game plan, lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet. Can't see it working, but then I dont' think we've got the physicality or mentality to grind out a win
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet.
This part is not going to work also because the Referees are going to slow the game down enough for this not to happen.
Stoppages,penalties,resets, the Refs will not want to make a mistake so the game will not be a fast one more a grind I think. -
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet.
This part is not going to work also because the Referees are going to slow the game down enough for this not to happen.
Stoppages,penalties,resets, the Refs will not want to make a mistake so the game will not be a fast one more a grind I think.@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet.
This part is not going to work also because the Referees are going to slow the game down enough for this not to happen.
Stoppages,penalties,resets, the Refs will not want to make a mistake so the game will not be a fast one more a grind I think.Bundee Aki, Tuilagi, Danty, Esterhuizen or De Allende. They are all meaty plodders. No kicking games or sleight of hand there.
Leicester wouldn't disgrace himself in my opinion. He's got the profile of the aforementioned players but he has an offload game.
Shame he didn't get minutes there over the last few years.
We faffed around with ALB, RTS and Havili for too long. Then picked McCleod and subsequently jettisoned him.
Chickens coming home to roost at both 6 and 12.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet.
This part is not going to work also because the Referees are going to slow the game down enough for this not to happen.
Stoppages,penalties,resets, the Refs will not want to make a mistake so the game will not be a fast one more a grind I think.@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet.
This part is not going to work also because the Referees are going to slow the game down enough for this not to happen.
Stoppages,penalties,resets, the Refs will not want to make a mistake so the game will not be a fast one more a grind I think.it also suggest its just up too us. these teams will all know that is an option for us and so will have planned, trying to run around teams...then getting tackled...isolated and losing possession in dangerous parts of the field has become all to common over the last few years
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet.
This part is not going to work also because the Referees are going to slow the game down enough for this not to happen.
Stoppages,penalties,resets, the Refs will not want to make a mistake so the game will not be a fast one more a grind I think.@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet.
This part is not going to work also because the Referees are going to slow the game down enough for this not to happen.
Stoppages,penalties,resets, the Refs will not want to make a mistake so the game will not be a fast one more a grind I think.Yep. Trench warfare.
We need go forward ball as much as possible. To keep Aldritt et al away from the pill.
Side to side crabbing from ALB will have us conceding turnover pens, ending up in our own half, poor exits and the shit show that ensues.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet.
This part is not going to work also because the Referees are going to slow the game down enough for this not to happen.
Stoppages,penalties,resets, the Refs will not want to make a mistake so the game will not be a fast one more a grind I think.Bundee Aki, Tuilagi, Danty, Esterhuizen or De Allende. They are all meaty plodders. No kicking games or sleight of hand there.
Leicester wouldn't disgrace himself in my opinion. He's got the profile of the aforementioned players but he has an offload game.
Shame he didn't get minutes there over the last few years.
We faffed around with ALB, RTS and Havili for too long. Then picked McCleod and subsequently jettisoned him.
Chickens coming home to roost at both 6 and 12.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet.
This part is not going to work also because the Referees are going to slow the game down enough for this not to happen.
Stoppages,penalties,resets, the Refs will not want to make a mistake so the game will not be a fast one more a grind I think.We faffed around with ALB, RTS and Havili for too long. Then picked McCleod and subsequently jettisoned him.
dont forget goodhue getting a shot when ever he was briefly fit
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet.
This part is not going to work also because the Referees are going to slow the game down enough for this not to happen.
Stoppages,penalties,resets, the Refs will not want to make a mistake so the game will not be a fast one more a grind I think.@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
the Refs will not want to make a mistake
World Rugby really have set them up to fail...on one hand wanting the game sped up, but not giving better direction as to where they can pull players/teams up for slowing.
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet.
This part is not going to work also because the Referees are going to slow the game down enough for this not to happen.
Stoppages,penalties,resets, the Refs will not want to make a mistake so the game will not be a fast one more a grind I think.We faffed around with ALB, RTS and Havili for too long. Then picked McCleod and subsequently jettisoned him.
dont forget goodhue getting a shot when ever he was briefly fit
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2023:
lean into the heat and pick a side to run France off their feet.
This part is not going to work also because the Referees are going to slow the game down enough for this not to happen.
Stoppages,penalties,resets, the Refs will not want to make a mistake so the game will not be a fast one more a grind I think.We faffed around with ALB, RTS and Havili for too long. Then picked McCleod and subsequently jettisoned him.
dont forget goodhue getting a shot when ever he was briefly fit
Jesus yeah.
That Allblacks XV team was misused too in retrospect.
Your FInaus, Roigards, Leicesters, Jacobsens etc could have had decent minutes there and an easy enough touch against Japan to get confidence.
Did anyone from the XV get into the squad? It looks like a completely redundant affair with hindsight.
