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    Young players are only on a NDC for one year. Booth isn't the answer for the Canes so it would make sense if Viljoen has signed a full contract.

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    • ChrisC Chris

      So it seems the Hurricanes have signed halfback Jordi Viljoen, lock Josh Taula and hooker Venon Bason with the Hurricanes according to this article

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/300983447/turbos-coach-has-survival-strategy-if-manawatu-board-concurs

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      @Chris is Taula that dickhead that took out Love earlier in the year. Seems like someone I wouldn’t want to sign up.

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      • ChrisC Chris

        So it seems the Hurricanes have signed halfback Jordi Viljoen, lock Josh Taula and hooker Venon Bason with the Hurricanes according to this article

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/300983447/turbos-coach-has-survival-strategy-if-manawatu-board-concurs

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        @Chris said in Hurricanes 2024:

        So it seems the Hurricanes have signed halfback Jordi Viljoen, lock Josh Taula and hooker Venon Bason with the Hurricanes according to the is article

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/300983447/turbos-coach-has-survival-strategy-if-manawatu-board-concurs

        Jordi VILJOEN is a 19-year-old New Zealander rugby player standing at 1.69 m tall (5 ft 7 in) and weighing in at 76 kg (11 st 13.55 lb; 167.55 lb) , who currently plays for Manawatu Turbos in New Zealand as scrum-half.

        Josh TAULA (Joshua TAULA) is a 21-year-old New Zealander rugby player standing at 2.01 m tall (6 ft 7 in) and weighing in at 124 kg (19 st 7.37 lb; 273.37 lb) , who currently plays for Manawatu Turbos in New Zealand as lock.

        Vernon BASON is a 19-year-old New Zealander rugby player standing at 1.8 m tall (5 ft 11 in) and weighing in at 106 kg (16 st 9.69 lb; 233.69 lb) , who currently plays for Manawatu Turbos in New Zealand as hooker.

        Vernon or Venon

        https://all.rugby/player/vernon-bason

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        • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

          @Chris is Taula that dickhead that took out Love earlier in the year. Seems like someone I wouldn’t want to sign up.

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          @Canes4life A player does something stupid in only his second NPC game, let's write him off for good!

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          • BovidaeB Bovidae

            Young players are only on a NDC for one year. Booth isn't the answer for the Canes so it would make sense if Viljoen has signed a full contract.

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            @Bovidae said in Hurricanes 2024:

            Young players are only on a NDC for one year. Booth isn't the answer for the Canes so it would make sense if Viljoen has signed a full contract.

            I'm not sure that's true.

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              I'd be stunned if Bason was signed up as a hooker for this season, NZR tends to dictate at least two years out of school for front rowers.

              Was also going to say, the NDC (what are we even saying this stands) contracting system differs by union/franchise. The Highlanders have had certain players on NDCs for three years, but in most cases at least two.

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              • StargazerS Stargazer

                @Canes4life A player does something stupid in only his second NPC game, let's write him off for good!

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                @Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2024:

                @Canes4life A player does something stupid in only his second NPC game, let's write him off for good!

                And only 21 too.

                Filipo would be written off for life

                My view is people need a second chance. Esp for minor infractions.

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                  I hope the Canes will give a NDC to lock Frank Lochore as well. IMO he's the MAgpies' most improved player and he's had consistent game time off the bench, this season. They may go for younger Tom Allen though.

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                  • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                    @Chris is Taula that dickhead that took out Love earlier in the year. Seems like someone I wouldn’t want to sign up.

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                    @Canes4life

                    yeah I think it was him.

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                    • StargazerS Stargazer

                      @Bovidae said in Hurricanes 2024:

                      Young players are only on a NDC for one year. Booth isn't the answer for the Canes so it would make sense if Viljoen has signed a full contract.

                      I'm not sure that's true.

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                      @Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2024:

                      @Bovidae said in Hurricanes 2024:

                      Young players are only on a NDC for one year. Booth isn't the answer for the Canes so it would make sense if Viljoen has signed a full contract.

                      I'm not sure that's true.

                      I thought that the NDC was a NZR-paid initiative (5 players per franchise) each year, and that is different to each team signing players up to lock them in. If I look at who were the Chiefs NDC players there were 5 different players each season. One of them later signed with the Highlanders (Broughton).

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                      • StargazerS Stargazer

                        I hope the Canes will give a NDC to lock Frank Lochore as well. IMO he's the MAgpies' most improved player and he's had consistent game time off the bench, this season. They may go for younger Tom Allen though.

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                        @Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2024:

                        I hope the Canes will give a NDC to lock Frank Lochore as well. IMO he's the Magpies' most improved player and he's had consistent game time off the bench, this season. They may go for younger Tom Allen though.

                        Tom ALLEN is a 19-year-old New Zealander rugby player standing at 1.97 m tall (6 ft 6 in) and weighing in at 114 kg (17 st 13.33 lb; 251.33 lb) , who currently plays for Hawke's Bay Magpies in New Zealand as lock.

                        Frank LOCHORE is a 22-year-old New Zealander rugby player standing at 1.92 m tall (6 ft 4 in) and weighing in at 108 kg (17 st 0.10 lb; 238.10 lb) , who currently plays for Hawke's Bay Magpies in New Zealand as back row.

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                        • BovidaeB Bovidae

                          @Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2024:

                          @Bovidae said in Hurricanes 2024:

                          Young players are only on a NDC for one year. Booth isn't the answer for the Canes so it would make sense if Viljoen has signed a full contract.

                          I'm not sure that's true.

                          I thought that the NDC was a NZR-paid initiative (5 players per franchise) each year, and that is different to each team signing players up to lock them in. If I look at who were the Chiefs NDC players there were 5 different players each season. One of them later signed with the Highlanders (Broughton).

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                          @Bovidae You may be right, though that doesn't mean they've now signed full contracts. It could still be a development contract.

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                          • WingerW Winger

                            @Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2024:

                            I hope the Canes will give a NDC to lock Frank Lochore as well. IMO he's the Magpies' most improved player and he's had consistent game time off the bench, this season. They may go for younger Tom Allen though.

                            Tom ALLEN is a 19-year-old New Zealander rugby player standing at 1.97 m tall (6 ft 6 in) and weighing in at 114 kg (17 st 13.33 lb; 251.33 lb) , who currently plays for Hawke's Bay Magpies in New Zealand as lock.

                            Frank LOCHORE is a 22-year-old New Zealander rugby player standing at 1.92 m tall (6 ft 4 in) and weighing in at 108 kg (17 st 0.10 lb; 238.10 lb) , who currently plays for Hawke's Bay Magpies in New Zealand as back row.

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                            @Winger Lochore isn't playing as a back row; he plays lock for us, but could play back row if they need him there.

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                            • BovidaeB Bovidae

                              @Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2024:

                              @Bovidae said in Hurricanes 2024:

                              Young players are only on a NDC for one year. Booth isn't the answer for the Canes so it would make sense if Viljoen has signed a full contract.

                              I'm not sure that's true.

                              I thought that the NDC was a NZR-paid initiative (5 players per franchise) each year, and that is different to each team signing players up to lock them in. If I look at who were the Chiefs NDC players there were 5 different players each season. One of them later signed with the Highlanders (Broughton).

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                              @Bovidae said in Hurricanes 2024:

                              @Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2024:

                              @Bovidae said in Hurricanes 2024:

                              Young players are only on a NDC for one year. Booth isn't the answer for the Canes so it would make sense if Viljoen has signed a full contract.

                              I'm not sure that's true.

                              I thought that the NDC was a NZR-paid initiative (5 players per franchise) each year, and that is different to each team signing players up to lock them in. If I look at who were the Chiefs NDC players there were 5 different players each season. One of them later signed with the Highlanders (Broughton).

                              My understanding was each team runs a slightly different set-up. For example, the Crusaders have a huge academy, which makes up most of their U20 team, but within that, they have a few players they know they are targeting more.

                              In contrast, the Highlanders have a certain amount in their high-performance programme, which targets players who are either the best of the best or in a position they feel they will need to feel in the next couple of years. Don't believe NZR funds any of it, though could be wrong.

                              These contracts nearly always last at least two years, but for most forwards, particularly it is tight ones three. Then they sign Super Rugby contracts, and depending on opportunities, players have still transferred across, but this is happening less.

                              Of new players to squads last year who were in 'academies', you saw Hotham go from the Highlanders to the Crusaders, Broughton from the Chiefs to the Highlanders, and Kemara from the Chiefs to the Crusaders. In the cases of the latter two, there was no room at the Chiefs, and for Hotham, there was room, but more as an out and out number three, with Fakatava still ahead in the pecking order. I've mentioned before, the NPC as a competition, has become less about Super Rugby teams signing players, and more about players already in Super teams getting developed.

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                              • StargazerS Stargazer

                                @Winger Lochore isn't playing as a back row; he plays lock for us, but could play back row if they need him there.

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                                @Stargazer All.rugby has some nice stuff, but it is the same website which reckons TUJ is a fullback.

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                                • StargazerS Stargazer

                                  @Winger Lochore isn't playing as a back row; he plays lock for us, but could play back row if they need him there.

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                                  @Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2024:

                                  @Winger Lochore isn't playing as a back row; he plays lock for us, but could play back row if they need him there.

                                  Hés a bit short really for a super rugby lock. Almost Blackwell height. Could he play six (Blackwell couldn't). And is he related to BJ

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                                  • WingerW Winger

                                    @Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2024:

                                    @Winger Lochore isn't playing as a back row; he plays lock for us, but could play back row if they need him there.

                                    Hés a bit short really for a super rugby lock. Almost Blackwell height. Could he play six (Blackwell couldn't). And is he related to BJ

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                                    @Winger Yes, he can play on the blindside. That's where he plays if he doesn't play lock. He's Brian Lochore's grandson.

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                                      @Stargazer All.rugby has some nice stuff, but it is the same website which reckons TUJ is a fullback.

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                                      @frugby said in Hurricanes 2024:

                                      @Stargazer All.rugby has some nice stuff, but it is the same website which reckons TUJ is a fullback.

                                      Still an excellent website though

                                      Thomas UMAGA-JENSEN is a 25-year-old New Zealander rugby player standing at 1.87 m tall (6 ft 2 in) and weighing in at 112 kg (17 st 8.92 lb; 246.92 lb) , who currently plays for Otago in New Zealand as fullback.

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                                        We need lock sized locks, not 1.9m blindside flankers that think they are locks. Been there and done that with James Blackwell and we didn’t win anything.

                                        Taula looks to be the perfect size for a lock. I hope they can pull him into line because he could be very effective.

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                                          I'm shocked hahaha

                                          https://www.hurricanes.co.nz/news/article/cam-roigard-re-signs-with-the-hurricanes-until-2027?apcid=006398966146d3bf98085600&utm_campaign=casual-database-cam-roigar&utm_content=casual-database-cam-roigar&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ortto

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